[TowerTalk] Horizontal tower movement at the top

[k6xyz]

That's right.....
One time I laid down a retracted 50' pushup next to a couple of trees and
when I moved 10 years later I had to rent a chain saw to cut that dang thing
outta the tree trunks.
Both trees had eaten the pipe.

Regards

Dave Harmon
NSRCA 586
K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
Sperry, Ok.

-----Original Message-----
From: towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of BRENT BAUM
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:39 PM
To: n8de at thepoint.net; kdutson at sbcglobal.net
Cc: towertalk at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Horizontal tower movement at the top

In addition, a tree grows thicker as it grows taller. Eventually anything 
attached to the trunk will eventually wind up inside the trunk. Many species

of conifers will "bury" nails, fencing, forest service telephone wires, etc.

within just a few years. Hence the highly effective, and some say 
subversive, practice of radical environmentalists "spiking" trees.

K7MEI, Brent


>From: Don Havlicek <n8de at thepoint.net>
>To: Keith Dutson <kdutson at sbcglobal.net>
>CC: towertalk at contesting.com
>Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Horizontal tower movement at the top
>Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 15:52:52 -0400
>
>When a tree grows, it DOES NOT get longer along its trunk.
>
>It grows from the TOP, adding new height.
>
>Two branches on the same side of the tree one foot apart now will be one
>foot apart next year, etc ... until the tree falls.
>
>Don
>N8DE
>
>Keith Dutson wrote:
>
> >I would not do what you are talking about.  A living tree will tend to
> >separate the tower sections over time.
> >
> >73, Keith NM5G
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
> >[mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of W7CE
> >Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 4:21 PM
> >To: towertalk at contesting.com
> >Subject: [TowerTalk] Horizontal tower movement at the top
> >
> >Does anyone know how much horizontal movement is considered acceptable at
> >the top of 100' tall Rohn 25G, 45G and 65G towers?  I don't see any 
>mention
> >of it in the Rohn catalog.  I know that the tops move, I just don't know 
>how
> >much is considered normal.
> >
> >I'm considering a rather unusual tower installation at my QTH.  Because 
>of
> >large trees that occasionally lose branches during wind storms and 
>property
> >line constraints, a guyed tower isn't practical.  For years I've had my 3
> >element yagi on top of a 95' Doug Fir tree and it has worked well there.

>I
> >watched it during our record setting wind storms last winter and the top 
>of
> >the tree was only moving about 6-7" (less than the diameter of my Ham IV
> >rotator).  This is a big tree with a 42" diameter base and an 8" diameter
> >stump at the 95' level where the antenna is mounted.  The problem with 
>this
> >installation is getting up to the antenna to do maintenance, plus I'm
> >planning on replacing it with a new SteppIR as soon as I figure out how 
>I'm
> >going to mount it.  What I'm thinking about doing is installing 100' of
> >tower as close to the tree as practical (less than 3') and attaching it 
>to
> >the sides of the tree with angle iron at 20' intervals.  With this 
>approach,
> >I don't think the tower could ever come down unless the tree itself did
> >also, which is unlikely based on our soil type and the excellent health 
>of
> >the tree.  I would then mount the antenna on the top of the tower.  This
> >would give me a much easier way to climb up to the top.  I can use 25G, 
>45G
> >or 65G for the installation, whichever would be best.  25G would be the
> >easiest to install because of it's weight and I suspect that it is the 
>best
> >choice.
> >
> >I'm looking for opinions on the viability of this solution.  Will the
> >movement of the tree in the wind stress the tower too much or will it 
>about
> >the same amount of movement that a guyed tower would normally experience 
>in
> >a big wind?  Opinions?  Suggestions?  Am I thinking a little too far 
>outside
> >the box?
> >
> >73,
> >Clay  W7CE
> >
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