[TowerTalk] HAZER guying

[Arthur Trampler]

Marc,

First, I am assuming your tower is tall enough to require two (or more) sets 
of guys.  I have a free (to me) Glen Martin, 50' tower, 18" on a side that I 
will be putting up within the next six months.  At 50' it needs one set of 
guys, but I am taking it up to 60' and will need to add a second level of 
guys.

Here is my approach.

I am getting stainless steel flat stock, perhaps 5/16" x 3", or 5/16" x 4", 
and cutting it into three pieces, each perhaps 12" in long.  I haven't 
figured the exact length for the bend, but at the appropriate distance 
(about 7.8") will have them bent 120 degrees.  The three pieces will be 
joined with two to four bolts on each leg, where they meet, and then a 
U-Bolt fit at the end near the tower leg.

To provide vertical support I have a couple of ideas.  What I am leaning 
toward is using 1" stainless bar, by 2" length, and cutting (having them 
cut) with a 60 degree angle.  I will drill and tap these on both sides, and 
machien screw them to the insides of the tower legs, which on this tower are 
angular.  This will provide my vertical support.

In your situation, if you like this design, I perhaps run a piece of channel 
steel across the web of the tower (the horizontal webbing) across the two 
sides that are free of the hazer.  U-Bolt the channel to the webbing, and 
set the piece to hold the guy wires on it.  I don't think it would have to 
be attached, but it could be easily enough.

To this way you have three pieces of stock (I guess painted carbon steel 
would work), three bends in a brake, and six to twelve holes to join them. 
The rest is just the channel stock with two u-bolts.

What do you think?

73,
Art, KC2G

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mecker at peoplepc.com>
To: <towertalk at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:03 PM
Subject: [TowerTalk] HAZER guying


> Use rohn 25 platform for small tower using hazer.
> My guys = rohns specs.
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> I have to make (or purchase) a plate which allows the hazer to pass the 
> 1st set of guys when
> hazer is going up. (a temporary set will be attached when guys are 
> disconnected for the critics) I am
> learning disabled and am in need of advice.
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> The closest thing I found was using a standard rotor plate, which U bolts 
> to the 3 legs.
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> The portion of the Ubolt outside the tower leg will not allow the hazer to 
> pass, creating a need for
> an internal guy wire attachment point. This was a very close breakthrough 
> though, real close.
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> We all know that generally, attaching guys to the bracing is undesireable, 
> what is better is attach around the leg
> and bracings at the corner, or even better is to use rohns guy wire 
> attachement system (external)
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> Have to work with what I have-
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> Thought about a internal triangular compression plate that looks like a 
> triangle that equilaterally tightens against all three legs (thus using 
> the legs as
> stabilizing forces, and then ubolting the contraption to the inside 
> bracing.) does such a thing exist? I wont drill in tower legs though.
> (no outside ubolts here)
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> Thought about welding (Im a welder) a plate that does not protrude beyond 
> the outer circumference of the leg tubing diameter
> to the flat portion of the inside bracing and inside tower legs (concerned 
> about welding weakening the tower here) This relys on
> six welds
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> Thought about making (not welding) a plate which ubolts to bracing (bolts 
> wont pass beyond outer circumference here)
> (still using bracing, not tower legs) This relys on six welds
>
> Thought about taking extra cable, tying off each of 3 guys attached to two 
> or 3 horizontal braces (each taking half the load)
> and clamping the cable in such a way so when it supports, it supports 3 
> braces (practically the tower at this point)
> (this is rather complex to make, requiring precision adjustment of 
> lengths) This relys on 12 or 18 welds
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> Of all of these, the easiest is to make the not welding plate, but I would 
> be estatic if someone knew of a design or
> something made for a single 3 way guy point.
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> By the way, for the top, I have rohns guying fixture. Its the halfway 
> point that we are trying to get at.
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