[TowerTalk] Square vs Round Holes

[Its from Onion]

well there are lots of PE's that disagree.  I have formed hundreds of holes 36" round X 8 feet with 4 yards of cement and they have held up for years.
When was the last time a tractor-trailer truck struck your tower and it stayed up?

Also, what basis are you saying the hole would have to be bigger?  I can provide (and have on here) drawing certified by PE and state contractors that disagree with your assessment.  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dino Darling<mailto:dino at k6rix.com> 
  To: Its from Onion<mailto:aredandgold at msn.com> 
  Cc: towertalk<mailto:towertalk at contesting.com> 
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 4:02 PM
  Subject: Square vs Round Holes


  -=Since everyone else takes liberties of changing the SUBJECT name of the thread, let me give it a shot also.=-

  "Save on concrete"?  Its not the shape of the hole that matters, but the size of the foundation. :-)

  A 36" hole would need to be deeper, and in my opinion, too small of a diameter.  Even a 60" hole would need to be deeper to make up for the loss of the "corners" of a square hole.

  Dino - K6RIX
  dino at k6rix.com<mailto:dino at k6rix.com>


    -------- Original Message --------
    Subject: [TowerTalk] excavator
    From: "Its from Onion" <aredandgold at msn.com>
    Date: Mon, May 12, 2008 1:49 pm
    To: "towertalk" <towertalk at contesting.com>

    ** Lee George wrote: **

    Hi Scott,

    Nobody said the hole has to be square. Find a utility pole contractor that 
    has a digger derrick truck with a 36" bit.

    ALL OF the traffic light / street light poles in your city have round holes and you cant knock 
    them down with a truck. Trust me, I seen it tried.
    Might even save on concrete.

    For the life of me cannot see why ham folks love square holes, much easer to dig round
    ones. 

    F. Lee George (KE4VYN)
    Construction Supervisor (retired)
    Traffic Engineering
    City of Birmingham