Subject should be 'Vertical AND Beam', or 'belt and suspenders', come to think of it, they are horizontal and vertical as well... in any case, having both is better than having to pick one or the other! David Robbins K1TTT e-mail: mailto:k1ttt at arrl.net web: http://www.k1ttt.net AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net