[TowerTalk] Temporary Guys

[Steve Maki]

At least, the kind of rope you're apparently familiar with.

Good rope can be FAR superior to the kind of temporary steel lines that 
are being discussed, and much too expensive to tie up a mother-in-law with.

I'm not advocating anything, just pointing out that folks seem to say 
"rope" as if there is only one kind....

-Steve K8LX

On 4/3/2011 4:05 PM, Mike Ryan wrote:
> Now you're talking Waye.......rope is for tying up your boat, your dog, or
> your mother-in-law.  -Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Kline
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 3:59 PM
> To: lists at oakcom.org; towertalk at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary Guys
>
>
> TT's
>
>    Erecting Towers and installing antennas, I have come to one conclusion, NO
> two installations are identical.  and there are many ways to skin a Cat (
> sorry animal lovers )
> Discussing the use of temporary guys on cemented in towers optional (
> depending on the guy spacing) but a  MUST on pier pin instillations .
> I  have three Discarded  Mig welder reels, each with 125'  of  7X19 strand
> 3/16  Stainless steel cable. One end with a cinched forged snap hook the
> other end  is left open
>   I stretch them to the permanent guy anchor and secure it with a comalong
> attached to the guy anchor and a guy grip attached  to the temporary guy
> cable and ratchet them taunt.
>
> This technique has been developed because of only  ONE reason.. PUCKER
> experiences  when using ROPE as temporary guys. BTDT with different type
> ropes.
>
> I use the same cable for Tram line,on  a 300' reel ( I don't like to use
> rope for tram lines ) have that be single or duel installations tram
> configuration.
>
>   YMMV
>
>   Wayne W3EA
>
>> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 09:01:20 -0400
>> From: lists at oakcom.org
>> To: towertalk at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Temporary Guys
>>
>> On 4/3/2011 1:55 AM, Dick Green WC1M wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> I was confident that the 1/8" stainless guys were superior to rope
>>
>> Well, there's rope, and then there's rope. Yes, the rope one might find
>> Home Depot is not useful for temporary guys, but there ARE low stretch
>> ropes which would be entirely suitable if tensioned adequately. A
>> professional might have some Kevlar core (or even better) temps in his
>> kit. I would be interested in knowing exactly what rope John was using.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> I guess if I was a professional tower rigger, I would make up an
> assortment
>>> of different length temporary guys using either 1/4" wire rope or EHS.
>>> Turnbuckles, too.
>>
>> In lieu of dedicated temporary guys, most crews use one of the already
>> prepared upper sets of guys (with Chicago grips and high quality cable
>> pullers) as temporaries as needed.
>>
>> 73,
>> -Steve K8LX