[TowerTalk] Complex Guy Question

Wilson Lamb infomet at embarqmail.com
Tue May 10 05:51:29 PDT 2011


No expert here, but...
The K7NV analysis is magnificent and really gives some basic understanding! 
I wish Rohn would publish some of the same stuff.  I also wish they would 
make the pier pin option more obvious, since it is such a great tower saver! 
It obviously makes getting up to the first set of guys more difficult, but 
30' can be manhandled without much trouble.  It's my gut feeling that the 
monster bases recommended by Rohn do more harm than good, by making the base 
section so stiff.  The base of a guyed tower does not need to keep the tower 
from leaning.

I've been head doodling pin bases and wondering if an automotive type 
universal joint wouldn't make a good pinned base.  I doubt if they have 
sufficient axial load capacity to carry expected compression, however.  My 
next wild idea involves a bowling ball.

The part of the K7NV analysis that speaks to your question is the discussion 
of Aramid elasticity.  It shows that towers can experience large top 
deflection and excess bending stress in conditions far below what they 
"should" be able to handle.  The pin takes care of the bending part, but you 
still see large deflections.

It seems to me that the stronger top guys should be tighter than one would 
run if they were steel.  That won't change their elasticity, but will 
flatten out their catenary "some" and increase the system stiffness, which 
would reduce your deflection.  Of course it will also reduce the load and 
bending
at the middle guy location, which is good.  The middle set being stiff glass 
and steel will cause them to pick up load rapidly as the top deflects. 
Letting my imagination run a moment, I think that in a severe environment, 
with large top deflection, it might be better to loosen the middle set, and 
maybe the bottom too, to let the tower "lean" more and bend less.  Let the 
experts jump in on this!

73,
Wilson
W4BOH 



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