[TowerTalk] [Spam] TowerTalk Digest, Vol 107, Issue 6
Dale M. Schwartz
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> 1. Re: [tdxs-list] QSL card in the hole before theconcrete pour
> (Richard L. King)
> 2. Re: [tdxs-list] QSL card in the hole before theconcrete pour
> (bemeier)
> 3. Re: [CTDXCC] [tdxs-list] QSL card in the hole before
> theconcrete pour (Derek Wills)
> 4. Re: [tdxs-list] QSL card in the hole before theconcrete pour
> (K5WA)
> 5. Re: [CTDXCC] [tdxs-list] QSL card in the hole
> beforetheconcrete pour (Bill)
> 6. Re2: (WILLIAM MARX)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 14:29:28 -0000
> From: "Richard L. King" <k5na at ecpi.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [tdxs-list] QSL card in the hole before
> theconcrete pour
> To: "Allen Brier N5XZ" <n5xz at earthlink.net>, <tdxs-list at tdxs.net>,
> "Tower Talk" <towertalk at contesting.com>, "BVARC Reflector"
> <bvarc at bvarc.org>, "NARS Reflector" <nars at mailman.qth.net>, "CTDXCC"
> <ctdxcc at kkn.net>, "ak-contesters" <ak-contesters at googlegroups.com>
> Message-ID: <1B29E93A8A384C7C8CF29FA7896F5964 at K5NA>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> I am not saying that I started this tradition, but I remember my first tower
> in 1973 in Alvin, Texas around 1973. I placed at the bottom of the tower
> base hole a JT1 card. That QSL selection was based on the rarest QSL that I
> had that I felt I could part with. It was JT1-something on 20M SSB.
>
> Since then, on the many, many towers that I have erected, I have always
> placed a mixture of rare DX QSLs and contest QSO QSLs. It has always worked
> well for me with operating results.
>
> I honestly don't remember if that first QSL under the first tower base was
> my idea or something that I had heard before.
>
> 73, Richard - K5NA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allen Brier N5XZ
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:49 AM
> To: tdxs-list at tdxs.net ; Tower Talk ; BVARC Reflector ; NARS Reflector ;
> CTDXCC ; ak-contesters
> Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before theconcrete
> pour
>
>
> I always heard it was supposed to be a JT card. Anyway, when I poured my
> base, I threw in a bunch of cards, including a JT that actually wound up
> touching the rebar base when it landed (I have a picture of it for proof). I
> considered that very good juju. I also threw in cards from every continent
> and a bunch of JA cards. Just for good measure, I threw in a card from
> Martti to help with DXpeditions. I think I threw in about 40 or 50 cards,
> based on some formula I had devised in my head, which of course has long
> since passed through the sieves of my mind. It all seemed to make sense at
> the time. Bottom line is that the antenna seems to work very well.
>
> There must be some "official" site spelling out the folk lore of the "QSL in
> the Hole". Perhaps Tom or someone else could weigh in there to educate the
> rest of us believers.
>
> Allen N5XZ / KL5DX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> Well wait! It is according to what you want the antennas to do. If it is a
> DX station, then you are correct. If it is a contest station, then a JA
> card because you want large JA runs. And that's not just me saying that,
> even though I have 54 years ham radio experience, I got it from my contest
> Elmer, K5RC so it HAS to be right!
>
> Chuck W5PR
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <K7LXC at aol.com>
> To: <towertalk at contesting.com>; <rmthorne at att.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before the concrete pour
>
>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/31/2011 4:00:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> towertalk-request at contesting.com writes:
>>
>>> Now for the more important question. If I remember correctly, I'm
>> supposed to sacrifice a prized qsl card by throwing it in the bottom of
>> the hole prior to the pour, correct?
>>
>>
>> Yessireebob. It'll help prevent bad juju. And not just a JA card. It's
>> supposed to be a more meaningful DX card.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve K7LXC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 08:02:50 -0700 (PDT)
> From: bemeier <bemeier at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [tdxs-list] QSL card in the hole before
> theconcrete pour
> To: Allen Brier N5XZ <n5xz at earthlink.net>, tdxs-list at tdxs.net, Tower
> Talk <towertalk at contesting.com>, BVARC Reflector <bvarc at bvarc.org>,
> NARS Reflector <nars at mailman.qth.net>, CTDXCC <ctdxcc at kkn.net>,
> ak-contesters <ak-contesters at googlegroups.com>, "Richard L. King"
> <k5na at ecpi.com>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> When we built our new station here in North Carolina, my wife (Laurie?- N1YXU) had a suggestion that we followed up on.? As we were building (3) towers, she suggested putting a selection of "band appropriate" JA cards in the base.? By that I mean, in the 15 meter tower base we put cards from JA1 - JA0 for ONLY 15 meter Qs.? The same format was followed for the 20 meter tower.? However, as 40 mtrs and 10 mtrs are combined on one tower, that base has JA1 - JA0 cards for both?40 and 10 included.
> ?
> Based on the performance in last weeks CQWW, she had a GREAT IDEA.
> ?
> 73,
> Bruce - N1LN
> (aka: NC4KW)
>
> --- On Wed, 11/2/11, Richard L. King <k5na at ecpi.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Richard L. King <k5na at ecpi.com>
> Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before theconcrete pour
> To: "Allen Brier N5XZ" <n5xz at earthlink.net>, tdxs-list at tdxs.net, "Tower Talk" <towertalk at contesting.com>, "BVARC Reflector" <bvarc at bvarc.org>, "NARS Reflector" <nars at mailman.qth.net>, "CTDXCC" <ctdxcc at kkn.net>, "ak-contesters" <ak-contesters at googlegroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011, 10:29 AM
>
>
> I am not saying that I started this tradition, but I remember my first tower
> in 1973 in Alvin, Texas around 1973. I placed at the bottom of the tower
> base hole a JT1 card. That QSL selection was based on the rarest QSL that I
> had that I felt I could part with. It was JT1-something on 20M SSB.
>
> Since then, on the many, many towers that I have erected, I have always
> placed a mixture of rare DX QSLs and contest QSO QSLs. It has always worked
> well for me with operating results.
>
> I honestly don't remember if that first QSL under the first tower base was
> my idea or something that I had heard before.
>
> 73, Richard - K5NA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allen Brier N5XZ
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:49 AM
> To: tdxs-list at tdxs.net ; Tower Talk ; BVARC Reflector ; NARS Reflector ;
> CTDXCC ; ak-contesters
> Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before theconcrete
> pour
>
>
> I always heard it was supposed to be a JT card. Anyway, when I poured my
> base, I threw in a bunch of cards, including a JT that actually wound up
> touching the rebar base when it landed (I have a picture of it for proof). I
> considered that very good juju. I also threw in cards from every continent
> and a bunch of JA cards. Just for good measure, I threw in a card from
> Martti to help with DXpeditions. I think I threw in about 40 or 50 cards,
> based on some formula I had devised in my head, which of course has long
> since passed through the sieves of my mind. It all seemed to make sense at
> the time. Bottom line is that the antenna seems to work very well.
>
> There must be some "official" site spelling out the folk lore of the "QSL in
> the Hole". Perhaps Tom or someone else could weigh in there to educate the
> rest of us believers.
>
> Allen N5XZ / KL5DX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> Well wait!? It is according to what you want the antennas to do.? If it is a
> DX station, then you are correct.? If it is a contest station, then a JA
> card because you want large JA runs.? And that's not just me saying that,
> even though I have 54 years ham radio experience, I got it from my contest
> Elmer, K5RC so it HAS to be right!
>
> Chuck W5PR
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <K7LXC at aol.com>
> To: <towertalk at contesting.com>; <rmthorne at att.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before the concrete pour
>
>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/31/2011 4:00:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> towertalk-request at contesting.com writes:
>>
>>> ? Now for the more important question.? If I remember? correctly, I'm
>> supposed to sacrifice a prized qsl card by throwing it in? the bottom of
>> the hole prior to the pour, correct?
>>
>>
>> ? ? Yessireebob. It'll help prevent bad juju.? And not just a JA card. It's
>> supposed to be a more meaningful DX? card.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve? ? K7LXC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 10:11:04 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Derek Wills <oo7 at astro.as.utexas.edu>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [CTDXCC] [tdxs-list] QSL card in the hole
> before theconcrete pour
> To: ak-contesters at googlegroups.com, bvarc at bvarc.org, ctdxcc at kkn.net,
> k5na at ecpi.com, n5xz at earthlink.net, nars at mailman.qth.net,
> tdxs-list at tdxs.net, towertalk at contesting.com
> Message-ID: <201111021511.pA2FB46L008151 at astro.as.utexas.edu>
>
> I'd be sorely tempted to throw all my cards in for ballast.
>
> Derek
> aa5bt
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 10:29:18 -0500
> From: "K5WA" <K5WA at Comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [tdxs-list] QSL card in the hole before
> theconcrete pour
> To: "'Richard L. King'" <k5na at ecpi.com>, "'Allen Brier N5XZ'"
> <n5xz at earthlink.net>, <tdxs-list at tdxs.net>, "'Tower Talk'"
> <towertalk at contesting.com>, "'BVARC Reflector'" <bvarc at bvarc.org>,
> "'NARS Reflector'" <nars at mailman.qth.net>, "'CTDXCC'"
> <ctdxcc at kkn.net>, "'ak-contesters'" <ak-contesters at googlegroups.com>
> Message-ID: <001601cc9974$309db640$91d922c0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> That JT1 card not only made the antennas work better, but it also held up
> the tower physically because Richard's guy wires were at an 89 degree rise
> angle and it still defies physics that the tower withstood the hurricanes it
> went through over the years.
>
> Bob K5WA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard L. King [mailto:k5na at ecpi.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:29 AM
> To: Allen Brier N5XZ; tdxs-list at tdxs.net; Tower Talk; BVARC Reflector; NARS
> Reflector; CTDXCC; ak-contesters
> Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before theconcrete
> pour
>
> I am not saying that I started this tradition, but I remember my first tower
>
> in 1973 in Alvin, Texas around 1973. I placed at the bottom of the tower
> base hole a JT1 card. That QSL selection was based on the rarest QSL that I
> had that I felt I could part with. It was JT1-something on 20M SSB.
>
> Since then, on the many, many towers that I have erected, I have always
> placed a mixture of rare DX QSLs and contest QSO QSLs. It has always worked
> well for me with operating results.
>
> I honestly don't remember if that first QSL under the first tower base was
> my idea or something that I had heard before.
>
> 73, Richard - K5NA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allen Brier N5XZ
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:49 AM
> To: tdxs-list at tdxs.net ; Tower Talk ; BVARC Reflector ; NARS Reflector ;
> CTDXCC ; ak-contesters
> Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before theconcrete
>
> pour
>
>
> I always heard it was supposed to be a JT card. Anyway, when I poured my
> base, I threw in a bunch of cards, including a JT that actually wound up
> touching the rebar base when it landed (I have a picture of it for proof). I
>
> considered that very good juju. I also threw in cards from every continent
> and a bunch of JA cards. Just for good measure, I threw in a card from
> Martti to help with DXpeditions. I think I threw in about 40 or 50 cards,
> based on some formula I had devised in my head, which of course has long
> since passed through the sieves of my mind. It all seemed to make sense at
> the time. Bottom line is that the antenna seems to work very well.
>
> There must be some "official" site spelling out the folk lore of the "QSL in
>
> the Hole". Perhaps Tom or someone else could weigh in there to educate the
> rest of us believers.
>
> Allen N5XZ / KL5DX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> Well wait! It is according to what you want the antennas to do. If it is a
> DX station, then you are correct. If it is a contest station, then a JA
> card because you want large JA runs. And that's not just me saying that,
> even though I have 54 years ham radio experience, I got it from my contest
> Elmer, K5RC so it HAS to be right!
>
> Chuck W5PR
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <K7LXC at aol.com>
> To: <towertalk at contesting.com>; <rmthorne at att.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before the concrete pour
>
>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/31/2011 4:00:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> towertalk-request at contesting.com writes:
>>
>>> Now for the more important question. If I remember correctly, I'm
>> supposed to sacrifice a prized qsl card by throwing it in the bottom of
>> the hole prior to the pour, correct?
>>
>>
>> Yessireebob. It'll help prevent bad juju. And not just a JA card. It's
>> supposed to be a more meaningful DX card.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve K7LXC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 10:51:50 -0500
> From: "Bill" <bbradford1957 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [CTDXCC] [tdxs-list] QSL card in the hole
> beforetheconcrete pour
> To: "K5WA" <K5WA at Comcast.net>, "'Richard L. King'" <k5na at ecpi.com>,
> "'Allen Brier N5XZ'" <n5xz at earthlink.net>, <tdxs-list at tdxs.net>,
> "'Tower Talk'" <towertalk at contesting.com>, "'BVARC Reflector'"
> <bvarc at bvarc.org>, "'NARS Reflector'" <nars at mailman.qth.net>,
> "'CTDXCC'" <ctdxcc at kkn.net>, "'ak-contesters'"
> <ak-contesters at googlegroups.com>
> Message-ID: <0CB6E8D1EF9346BDB6566B75B5B6B163 at BILL>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Richard's towers also survived, SOMEHOW, through all the snow / ice storms while living in New York.
>
> Bill K5GA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: K5WA
> To: 'Richard L. King' ; 'Allen Brier N5XZ' ; tdxs-list at tdxs.net ; 'Tower Talk' ; 'BVARC Reflector' ; 'NARS Reflector' ; 'CTDXCC' ; 'ak-contesters'
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [CTDXCC] [tdxs-list] [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole beforetheconcrete pour
>
>
> That JT1 card not only made the antennas work better, but it also held up
> the tower physically because Richard's guy wires were at an 89 degree rise
> angle and it still defies physics that the tower withstood the hurricanes it
> went through over the years.
>
> Bob K5WA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard L. King [mailto:k5na at ecpi.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:29 AM
> To: Allen Brier N5XZ; tdxs-list at tdxs.net; Tower Talk; BVARC Reflector; NARS
> Reflector; CTDXCC; ak-contesters
> Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before theconcrete
> pour
>
> I am not saying that I started this tradition, but I remember my first tower
>
> in 1973 in Alvin, Texas around 1973. I placed at the bottom of the tower
> base hole a JT1 card. That QSL selection was based on the rarest QSL that I
> had that I felt I could part with. It was JT1-something on 20M SSB.
>
> Since then, on the many, many towers that I have erected, I have always
> placed a mixture of rare DX QSLs and contest QSO QSLs. It has always worked
> well for me with operating results.
>
> I honestly don't remember if that first QSL under the first tower base was
> my idea or something that I had heard before.
>
> 73, Richard - K5NA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allen Brier N5XZ
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:49 AM
> To: tdxs-list at tdxs.net ; Tower Talk ; BVARC Reflector ; NARS Reflector ;
> CTDXCC ; ak-contesters
> Subject: Re: [tdxs-list] [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before theconcrete
>
> pour
>
>
> I always heard it was supposed to be a JT card. Anyway, when I poured my
> base, I threw in a bunch of cards, including a JT that actually wound up
> touching the rebar base when it landed (I have a picture of it for proof). I
>
> considered that very good juju. I also threw in cards from every continent
> and a bunch of JA cards. Just for good measure, I threw in a card from
> Martti to help with DXpeditions. I think I threw in about 40 or 50 cards,
> based on some formula I had devised in my head, which of course has long
> since passed through the sieves of my mind. It all seemed to make sense at
> the time. Bottom line is that the antenna seems to work very well.
>
> There must be some "official" site spelling out the folk lore of the "QSL in
>
> the Hole". Perhaps Tom or someone else could weigh in there to educate the
> rest of us believers.
>
> Allen N5XZ / KL5DX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> Well wait! It is according to what you want the antennas to do. If it is a
> DX station, then you are correct. If it is a contest station, then a JA
> card because you want large JA runs. And that's not just me saying that,
> even though I have 54 years ham radio experience, I got it from my contest
> Elmer, K5RC so it HAS to be right!
>
> Chuck W5PR
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <K7LXC at aol.com>
> To: <towertalk at contesting.com>; <rmthorne at att.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] QSL card in the hole before the concrete pour
>
>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/31/2011 4:00:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> towertalk-request at contesting.com writes:
>>
>>> Now for the more important question. If I remember correctly, I'm
>> supposed to sacrifice a prized qsl card by throwing it in the bottom of
>> the hole prior to the pour, correct?
>>
>>
>> Yessireebob. It'll help prevent bad juju. And not just a JA card. It's
>> supposed to be a more meaningful DX card.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve K7LXC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:42:22 -0700 (PDT)
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