[TowerTalk] Mastrant Rope ? guy wire ?

[Grant Saviers]

I checked my reference text, "Handbook of Fibre Rope Technology" and 
Dyneema has excessive creep vs Kevlar.

Dyneema SK60 creeps 0.63% at 15% of breaking load in 100 days.  At 30% 
load it creeps 9% in 100 days!

Kevlar 49 creeps 0.041% and 0.05% respectively.   A search for "creep" 
on the Phillystran web site yielded no hits.

The Mastrant web site says they are using Dyneema SK75 which another 
reference shows 22% creep at 30% load in 20 days
http://www.abcm.org.br/symposiumSeries/SSSM_Vol2/Contents/SSSM_05.pdf

So the guying application seems wrong for Dyneema fibers.  Spectra is an 
even worse choice.  Polyester creep is about 5x worse than Kevlar

OTOH, Phillystran is well proven and presumably contains the best Kevlar 
fiber for making permanent guy wires.

Grant  KZ1W


On 1/3/2012 6:15 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> On 1/3/2012 5:18 PM, K1TTT wrote:
>> Check the original linked page, that place is only selling the 'P'
>> type which is the polyester one(and only on special order at that).
> Check again ... list all the products from that company on the R and L
> site.  You will find both the D and the F2-D ropes which are Dyneema
> core (similar in performance/strength to Kevlar).  The problem - as
> explained to me - is that although Dyneema will not stretch under
> dynamic load it will "creep" (slowly elongate) under static loads
> like those encountered in guying applications.
>
> 73,
>
>      ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 1/3/2012 5:18 PM, K1TTT wrote:
>> Check the original linked page, that place is only selling the 'P' type
>> which is the polyester one(and only on special order at that).  The 'D'
>> versions are on the manufacturer's page, and while the specs are better they
>> are still only hd polyethylene rope.
>>
>> David Robbins K1TTT
>> e-mail: mailto:k1ttt at arrl.net
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Wayne Kline [mailto:w3ea at hotmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 20:58
>> To: K1TTT; towertalk at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Mastrant Rope ? guy wire ?
>>
>>
>> My Frist Thought Dave  Till I dug into it  http://www.mastrant.com/en  Wayne
>> W3EA>   Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:57:06 -0600
>>> From: k1ttt at verizon.net
>>> To: towertalk at contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Mastrant     Rope ? guy wire ?
>>>
>>>
>>> thats just a polyester rope not a tower guy material unless you need it
>> for a temporary field day type tower.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jan 3, 2012 12:43:42 PM, w3ea at hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi TT'ers HNY Planning my spring 10 meter tower antenna 5/5 35'-72'
>>> rebuild. The 3/16 guy wire broken up with 502 insulators levels 32'
>>> 64' It's in good shape but has rust wash near there attachment points
>>> ! It's been up 22 years in this acid NE rain a new paint job new feed
>>> lines rebuild the rotors .. why not new guy support. I Was thinking of
>>> doing Phillystran, at least on the top layer. While researching it I
>>> stumbled across a product Sold in the USA by RL Electronics in OH.
>>> Mastrant guy rope !
>>> http://store.rlham.com/shop/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keyword
>>> s=mastrant+and+mp&x=5&y=5Any TT'ers have any experience with this
>>> stuff ? Have experience with all the old style and new type Philly
>>> stuff and the Fiber-rod. nonconductive guying material . But this is a
>>> new one for me. Thanks 73's Wayne W3EA
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