[TowerTalk] plastic clamps, no hanger

Tue May 29 11:39:41 PDT 2012

A good way to secure cables to tower legs is to use Deltec.  It's made by T&B and available from Graybar or other distribution companies.  It isn't cheap, but this stuff is strong and weathers great.
http://www-public.tnb.com/contractor/docs/deltec_us.pdf 
73, 
Tim KL7WV W3YQ

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>    1. Re: TowerTalk Digest, Vol 113, Issue 55 (W8AEF)
>    2. plastic clamps, no hanger (Jorge Diez - CX6VM)
>    3. Tower Paint (Tom Harke)
>    4. Re: Tower Paint (Frank)
>    5. Re: Hygain HG-70HD (Eugene Jensen)
>    6. Re: Tower Paint (GALE STEWARD)
>    7. Re: Tower Paint (Missouri Guy)
>    8. Re: Tower Paint (Keith Dutson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 22:12:53 -0700
> From: W8AEF <w8aef at q.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] TowerTalk Digest, Vol 113, Issue 55
> To: towertalk at contesting.com
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> The multiplier used to be 300%.  If a man makes $15 per hour, his time 
> is/was charged out at $45 per hour.  And that was a long time ago.
> 
> de Paul, W8AEF
> 
> ZF2JI/ZF2TA 8Q7AA FO8DX/FO0PLA XZ0A VU7RG/VU3PYM TX5A A52PP
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> 
> On 5/28/2012 9:23 PM, Jim Lux wrote:
> > On 5/28/12 6:18 PM, Ro Grrr wrote:
> >> Jim Brown
> >> I think I previously had mentioned something about the PRIME quoting $100 an hour, then passing on to the SUB/Tier 1 a rate of $50 per hour, who passes on $25  per hour, who passes on ONLY $25 per hour for the actual work.
> >> The main contractor and tier 1 Sub DO NOT DO any work. They only push paper and get paid political "confiscatory" amounts of PROFIT, while the WORKERS bust their butts. Some of them get killed too.
> >> Do any of those upstream care ?
> >> I doubt it.
> >> It's those workers who have tokeep their hands on the tower to save their lives.
> >>
> >> I don't know that profit is confiscatory at any point in the chain.. the
> > problem is the number of steps in the chain.. Each step costs a minimum
> > of 20-25%.  Rack up 3 steps, and you're looking at 1.2^3 = 1.7 times
> > multiplier.
> >
> > And each of those steps really can't do it for less than a 20%-25%
> > adder.. Gotta have an office, gotta have staff, gotta make a profit
> > (maybe 10%).  Only if you're huge can you get the percentage down from
> > economies of scale.
> >
> > Rarely, rarely does any one step make more than around 10% profit,
> > because you get higher than that, and somebody steps in to undercut you.
> >    Less than that is not enough to deal with the risk, and the slow pay,
> > and all the other BS you deal with as a business owner. YOu might as
> > well put your money in a mutual fund or something.
> >
> >
> > Here's a typical breakdown..
> >
> > $20/hour to worker
> >
> > various and sundry costs to employer is 15-20%  (FICA, Unemployment, etc.)
> > Paid holidays (10/yr) = 4%
> > Assume no vacation or sick days or health insurance  (2wks/yr of
> > vacation and sick leave is another 4%)
> > workers's comp is about $4/hr  (looked it up in some tables.. maybe only
> > $3.50/hr, but construction at height is expensive.. but not like mining
> > at $6/hr)
> >
> > Cost for supplies, office, etc. another 25%
> >
> > so we're up to 50%
> >
> > about 30-35/hr
> >
> > Profit 10%
> > General and Administrative (i.e. management) 10%
> >
> > now we're up to $36-37/hr
> >
> > After that, each layer adds about 20-25%
> >
> >
> > Work your guys harder and rack up some OT at 1.5 x, you don't incur more
> > costs for vacations, and you only accumulate more workers' comp at
> > straight rate.
> >
> >
> >
> > Pay your tower guys $10/hr (which is pathetically low, by the way).. the
> > fixed costs (worker's comp, etc.) eat you alive... WC is going to be
> > half the wages cost, unless you hire your guys as independent
> > contractors on a 1099. (which is very much skating the edges of the law)
> >
> > Maybe you pay piece work or "by the job" and make them go get the gear
> > with a 8 hour (uncompensated) drive (like in the show).
> >
> >
> > Myself.. when I'm hiring construction workers, I want no more than one
> > tier between me and the toiler (i.e. I'll pay a general, and he'll pay a
> > sub, who will pay the worker)  I ask how much they're paying the
> > workers.. basic, no risk stuff, I'm expecting to spend $20-25/hr.
> > Cheaper than that and I know I'm getting rookies picked up at the
> > corner, so there better be a good foreman.  that is, I don't expect
> > ditch diggers or concrete breakers to be paid $20/hr, but I sure as heck
> > expect the guy or gal supervising to be getting $25.
> >
> >
> > Something with skills? Or Danger? I'm expecting to pay more.  Heck, the
> > guy who fixes my car is getting something like $80-90/hr to the shop,
> > and the mechanic is probably getting $40-50/hr of that.
> >
> > On an assembly line, where you have one task and one task only.. yep,
> > you're down in the $10/hr range.. but I can't imagine that tower work
> > fits in that category.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 09:35:42 -0300
> From: "Jorge Diez - CX6VM" <cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] plastic clamps, no hanger
> To: "Towertalk Reflector" <towertalk at contesting.com>
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> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> I am looking for some type of plastic clamp to attach a hardline to a tower
> leg. The tower leg is like a rod (tube). 
> 
>  
> 
> I don?t want to use the classic hardline hanger that stay the hardline
> separate from tower leg
> http://www.avwbroadcast.com.au/catalogue/Item1.aspx?ID=14785 , but I want
> something that clamp together the hardline and the tower leg
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jorge
> 
> CX6VM/CW5W
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:58:19 -0500
> From: Tom Harke <tom at tomharke.com>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Tower Paint
> To: towertalk at contesting.com
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> I am looking for a recommendation for good paint for my used sections of 
> Rohn 55 I plan on putting up.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tom AA9A
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 09:05:31 -0500
> From: Frank <frankkamp at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower Paint
> To: Tom Harke <tom at tomharke.com>
> Cc: towertalk at contesting.com
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> Tom Harke wrote:
> 
> >I am looking for a recommendation for good paint for my used sections of 
> >Rohn 55 I plan on putting up.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Tom AA9A
> >
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> Anything rustoleum
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:32:08 -0400
> From: "Eugene Jensen" <eugenejensen at nyc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Hygain HG-70HD
> To: <TowerTalk at contesting.com>
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> Hygain and Telex and there one other but don't remember off hand but used
> the ear on rebar design. Since the cage is lost when the tower is sold there
> a design of a flat plate plate 3/4-1 inch steel with ears. If done right a T
> base would work just as well. I personally have made a set of ears to weld
> on to rebar and  own a flat plate design made by WA2VUN in NJ. Since he was
> a PRO Welder and it was design by a PE it was a simple but heavy item. 73
> Gene K2QWDE
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Marv Shelton
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:07 AM
> To: towertalk at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Hygain HG-70HD
> 
> Hmmmm Greg,
> To tell you the truth I don't know if it is truly a HyGain or not. I was
> told it was but the person I bought it from had it sitting in their yard for
> a few years so he could have been wrong. Is there any way to tell? all of
> the labels have long since worn off.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> And YES it's cool!
> 
> On May 28, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Greg <ab7r at cablespeed.com> wrote:
> 
> > Are you sure its a hygain?  I have the hg70hd and the manual but it uses
> the rear cage with the ears welded....no T plate.
> > 
> > Maybe its a us tower model?
> > 
> > 73
> > Greg
> > AB7R
> > On May 28, 2012 4:30 PM, "Marv Shelton" <marvs at att.net> wrote:
> >               I just purchased a used HG-70HD 70 ft.  crankup tower by 
> > Hygain. My problem is that the manual I received online is not 100% 
> > identical to the tower that I have. Specifically, the base mounting is 
> > different. In the manual, the tower base tabs are mated to matching 
> > tabs welded to the ends of rebar that form the base foundation cage. 
> > My tower came with a "T" Shaped mounting base with holes in it that 
> > apparently are use by a threaded rod foundation base.
> > 
> > Even though I will have to have a foundation base made (the cost of a 
> > new one plus shipping made the decision very easy). I would like to 
> > have it made to utilize the "T" shaped base that I have.  I believe 
> > the reason for this base design is to allow it to be mounted on screws 
> > on threaded rods, which would allow the antenna to be plumbed easily.
> > 
> > Does anyone have the manual, plans and drawings for this version of 
> > the HG-70HD?
> > 
> > I'm also looking to replace the cables and other hardware throughout 
> > the tower. They are structurally sound, but I'd like to start with new
> hardware.
> > If someone has a parts list that would be helpful as well.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 73,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Marv WA2BFW
> > 
> > Wa2bfw at arrl.net
> > 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:44:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: GALE STEWARD <k3nd at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower Paint
> To: towertalk reflector <towertalk at contesting.com>
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> I used this on?R25 last fall. I'm very pleased with the results.
> ?
> http://www.rustbullet.com
> ?
> 73, Stew K3ND
> ?
> ?
> ?
> ?
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Frank <frankkamp at att.net>
> To: Tom Harke <tom at tomharke.com> 
> Cc: towertalk at contesting.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower Paint
> 
> Tom Harke wrote:
> 
> >I am looking for a recommendation for good paint for my used sections of 
> >Rohn 55 I plan on putting up.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Tom AA9A
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
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> >? 
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> Anything rustoleum
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 14:52:19 +0000
> From: Missouri Guy <n0tt1 at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower Paint
> To: tom at tomharke.com,TowerTalk at contesting.com
> Message-ID: <20120529.145956.3068.3.N0TT1 at juno.com>
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> 
> Don't paint it if it's galvanized!!!  Use a professional-grade
> galvanizing 
> spray or brush-on.  Properly applied, it works very 
> well and lasts a long time.  It's not cheap, but you won't
> have to re-do the job and it doesn't flake or chip off like paint will.
> 
> You can get a case of the stuff from
> Aervoe Industries in Nevada:   www.aervoe.com/   If you live
> in/near a large city, you might be able to find a local distributor
> of Aervoe products.
> 
> I have no financial interest in the company that I 
> know about...just a satisfied customer.
> 
> 73,
> Charlie, N0TT
>  
> On Tue, 29 May 2012 07:58:19 -0500 Tom Harke <tom at tomharke.com> writes:
> > I am looking for a recommendation for good paint for my used sections 
> > of 
> > Rohn 55 I plan on putting up.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Tom AA9A
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 11:09:02 -0500
> From: "Keith Dutson" <kdutson at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower Paint
> To: <TowerTalk at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <2A0DA729EA114C65AF9C550F9DAAF1DF at KeithPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
> 
> If it's 55G, it's galvanized.  If it's rusty, I would have it re-galvanized.
> 
> I use paint only to make a tower more visible (white and red), especially to
> pilots.  I don't think it mattewrs what kind of paint is used, as lomg as it
> has a long life in the sun.
> 
> I have 320 feet of 55G stacked on the ground, along with about 10K feet
> Phillystran.  The tower has been down at least 15 years.  All sections are
> painted either red or white.  I thought about taking the paint off, but am
> still undecided.  All sections look good enough to put up without worry.
> 
> 73, Keith NM5G
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Missouri Guy
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:52 AM
> To: tom at tomharke.com; TowerTalk at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower Paint
> 
> Don't paint it if it's galvanized!!!  Use a professional-grade galvanizing
> spray or brush-on.  Properly applied, it works very well and lasts a long
> time.  It's not cheap, but you won't have to re-do the job and it doesn't
> flake or chip off like paint will.
> 
> You can get a case of the stuff from
> Aervoe Industries in Nevada:   www.aervoe.com/   If you live
> in/near a large city, you might be able to find a local distributor of
> Aervoe products.
> 
> I have no financial interest in the company that I know about...just a
> satisfied customer.
> 
> 73,
> Charlie, N0TT
>  
> On Tue, 29 May 2012 07:58:19 -0500 Tom Harke <tom at tomharke.com> writes:
> > I am looking for a recommendation for good paint for my used sections 
> > of Rohn 55 I plan on putting up.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Tom AA9A
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
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