[TowerTalk] How High is enough

[Drax Felton]

When I looked into crank ups it doubled the price to go from 90 to 120 ft 

That last 30 feet is mightily expensive compared to the benefit.

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On Aug 1, 2013, at 12:41 PM, Steve Dyer <w1srd at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I suspect that's why ~70 feet is the sweet spot for crank-ups. Get's you a 1/2 wave on 40 and full wave on 20.
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> The big question is always, what is the incremental gain for the $$ spent/extra effort over a baseline.
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> 73,
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> Steve
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> From: Jim Thomson <jim.thom at telus.net>
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> Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] How High is enough
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> It has been mentioned that if you could only put up 1 tower, that 100 foot would be ideal. 
> Why not higher ?   I helped with the design of a 190 foot rotatable tower for a buddy
> just south of me.  Yagis  for 80-6m..including 17+12m..but no 30m.  2 x  Stacked yagis  on 
> 15m..and also 40m.     3 yagis used on 20m.   All ants  pointed in the same direction at all times. 
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> He is a dxer...not a contester.  I designed the LC  box  for  20m and also 40m.   All  3 x 20m 
> yagis  driven in phase at all times..and ditto with 40m. 
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> On 40m, I designed the BIP-BOP  mod, using vac relays built into the 40m LC box.   40m yagis
> at 90 foot and also 180 feet.   The BIP-BOP for 40m was a huge disappointment. Only once on 40m, 
> during the day, was BOP louder...and that was while listening to a group in Ore, 280 miles south.
> BIP reigns supreme the other 99.9999 %  of the time.   That’s  day or night, any direction, any time,
> and day of the year,  short path, long path, local or dx..... for the last 3 years.  
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> I was expecting  a lot more from the 40m BIP-BOP box.  It was triple checked too.   An electrical half wave
> was switched into the bottom yagi  for BOP mode. 
> The LC boxes are simple.   Just a shunt C..made from NPO caps on the input, with a series L  made from
> copper tubing, then  either    2 or 3 paralleled output coax connectors.   50 ohms in and 25 ohms out..on 40m.
> 50 ohms in and 16.66 ohms out on 20m.   Equal length  coax to each yagi . 
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> A lot of this  tower height argument will depend on available  real estate.  City lot or acreage. 
> In typ city suburbs, homes can be as  high as 30 feet.  Typ utility poles are as high as 40 feet, then the
> steel  support above that, so perhaps 41.5 feet...then the 12.5 – 14.4 kv line  strung between poles at the
> 41 foot level. 
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> Put the yagi up at 35-40 feet..and imo,  you are wasting your time.   You are not even clearing the power lines, trees,
> homes on the high side of you etc.   Even at 50 feet, you are barely clearly  this stuff.   75 feet is a good compromise
> between  50 and 100 feet.   When I increased height from 48 ft to  67 ft, the difference was apples and oranges. 
> On 20m, a yagi at 100 ft  has a huge null at 20 degs.  Same yagi at 50 ft has max gain at 20 degs.  Put the same yagi
> at 75 ft...and max gain is at 15 deg..and no need for a high-low  switching setup.   If 100 ft is too high on 20m, 
> sure come down a bit..but not down to 50 ft.   At least here in the pacific north west. 
> 
> Jim   VE7RF    
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