[TowerTalk] Remote Ham Radio

[Patrick Greenlee]

While I'm not going to rent a station, I fail to see how the FCC rules are 
broken.  Consider if you went to "RENT-ALL" and rented the components, 
transceiver, tower, and antenna. Whether or not the rental clerk, his boss, 
or the owner or stockholders are lisc hams is immaterial as they aren't 
doing any transmitting. So long as the equipment is operated within the 
rules no harm no foul.

Irrespective of the commercial nature of the equipment rental/lease, the 
operator is responsible for the transmissions being IAW FCC rules and regs.

When you buy equipment that is a monetary transaction.  How is that 
different from renting/leasing. How is this materially different from a club 
station where users pool finances and put up "super stations?"

This is like motocross.  Try to campaign a bike on your own and whimper 
about the guys with corporate sponsors.

What about if Icom and other corporate sponsors loaned or gave all the 
equipment to outfit a DXpedition, then what?  Same deal but for a contest 
station.  Where would you draw the line?  Could operators mention they were 
getting their equipment for free from the nice sponsor folk?  We all brag 
about our specific favorite equipment, right? What if it was to "pay back" 
the sponsor for the loan/gift used at the contest station or DXpedition?

I fail to see where these super stations for hire violate any FCC rules or 
regs.  I also fail to see any morality issues either.  I also fail to be 
personally attracted to the idea of being a customer.  I think this is a 
new, clever advance in creative hamming and deserves some new clever contest 
rules to level the playing field and or to cause the creation of WAC and WAS 
awards etc. endorsed for personal stations, club stations, "for hire" 
stations as well as QRP and QRO stations.  I'd be the first to admit that a 
phased array of multiple huge antennas on multiple sky scraping towers is 
unfair competition for ther 100 or the 1 watt station with a salty noodle 
for an antenna.

Andy Granatelli nearly won the Indianapolis 500 with a turbine powered car. 
Immediately the playing field was leveled to prevent turbine powered "rule 
beaters" from dominating the track.  Similar could be done in this ham radio 
instance.

Patrick AF5CK

-----Original Message----- 
From: Gene Smar
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 7:19 PM
To: Mike ; 'K8RI' ; towertalk at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Remote Ham Radio

TT:

     When a local posting on this showed up here a few months ago, I
protested that this service can't be legal.  See below, especially
97.113(a)(2) and (3):

"Sec. 97.113 Prohibited transmissions

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"(a) No amateur station shall transmit:
"(1) Communications specifically prohibited elsewhere in this part;

"(2) Communications for hire or for material compensation, direct or
indirect, paid or promised, except as otherwise provided in these rules;

"(3) Communications in which the station licensee or control operator has a
pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf of an employer, with
the following exceptions: ...."

     The exceptions are concerned with for-sale adverts on the air if this
isn't the operator's line of work and a few others.

     IMHO, the station licensee leasing time on his super station for this
purpose is in violation of this Section of the Rules.  But that's just me.

73 de

Gene Smar  AD3F

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike" <noddy1211 at comcast.net>
To: "'K8RI'" <K8RI-on-TowerTalk at tm.net>; <towertalk at contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Remote Ham Radio


> Nope this is the USA monetary gain Trumps ethics:-)
>
> Seriously I think that rule applies to advertising.
>
> Mike/K6BR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
> K8RI
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 4:22 PM
> To: towertalk at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Remote Ham Radio
>
> On 8/2/2013 3:39 PM, Jim W7RY wrote:
>> At very impressive (high) prices!
>> 73
>> Jim W7RY
>
> Isn't it against the rules to make money or receive reimbursement for the
> use of an Amateur Radio station?
>
> 73
>
> Roger (K8RI)
>
>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: K7LXC at aol.com Sent: Friday, August
>> 02,
>> 2013 9:39 AM To: towertalk at contesting.com Subject: [TowerTalk] Remote
>> Ham Radio Greetings, TowerTalkians --
>>
>>     I'm not sure how I missed it but here is a new  service for hams.
>> It's a time-share of ham radio stations of some clout. Check  it out
>> at http://www.remotehamradio.com/.
>>     Some impressive stations are available for your  use.
>> Cheers,
>> Steve    K7LXC
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