[TowerTalk] Towable towers available from the government

Sat Aug 31 18:48:01 EDT 2013

Dan,

The Supremes recently ruled on a similar case, see
http://www.pacificlegal.org/releases/PLF-statement-on-Koontz-property-rights-victory-at-the-Supreme-Court

You might take a copy of the decision to USWFS and also contact PLF for 
assistance.

btw PLF is worth supporting IMHO.

Grant KZ1W

On 8/31/2013 4:09 AM, Dan Schaaf wrote:
> I am presently in discussion ( argument ) with US Fish and Wildlife 
> over property that I own that I want to build a retirement home on.  
> They dispute an Environmental Survey that I paid to have done. The 
> survey says that there are no FL Scrub Jays within 850 ft around my 
> property.  These birds are declining in population. The USFWS claims 
> that there were sightings as recently as 2007 near the edge of my 850 
> buffer circle. The birds live on average 12 years. Sightings are 
> generally adult birds which if you do the math, by now, 2013 , they 
> likely dead or re-nested elsewhere. And these are just sightings, not 
> nests. The birds fly from the nest and back to it. They are very 
> territorial.
>
> Nevertheless, USFWS refuses to even consider new updated data from 
> surveys. Seems to me that new data should have more value to them than 
> old data. They agree until you try to then pin them down on releasing 
> your property. Then they come up with some other excuses such as " we 
> really do not want any surveys done in that particular neighborhood".  
> Or, "we welcome new data but we do not necessarily use it".
>
> Now, that statement smacks of government control on where you buy or 
> sell property or where you choose to live.  And certainly impacts the 
> livelihood of those who do environmental surveys. And of course old 
> data means they do not have to lift a finger to do any work, just stay 
> employed until retirement doing nothing.  They do not even suggest 
> doing a second survey to validate the first survey and they will not 
> come to the parcel and check for themselves.
>
> But, there is a solution. It is called Mitigation Fee. You pay them 
> $18,000 per 1/4 acre to free up your land. They then are supposed to 
> use that money to develop other areas for the birds to flourish.  But, 
> they do not move the nests from your land !!! They let the bulldozers 
> kill off the birds that you just paid to save !
>
> I have 3/4 acre parcel and that equates to $54K mitigation fee which I 
> refuse to pay nor do I have in my bank. Nice chunk of land for towers 
> and verticals.
>
> Can my congressman help? They have indicated that they would work on 
> it if I ask them to do so. But I worry that if they fail, then my name 
> becomes Mudd at the FWS and I end up stuck with a piece of land that I 
> pay taxes on and cannot use and likely cannot sell.
>
> Anyone here have friends in high places ? HiHi This is legal extortion.
>
> Best Regards
> Dan Schaaf
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> 60 Meters www.60metersonline.net
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> -----Original Message----- From: Roger (K8RI) on TT
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 6:36 AM
> To: towertalk at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Towable towers available from the government
>
> On 8/31/2013 6:22 AM, Dan Schaaf wrote:
>> Substantive BS !
>
> Sure beats the form letters I get from my senator (At least he's not
> going to run again..he says.) that could be applied to anything that
> says only, I'll keep your views in mind without referring to any thing.
> Some one apparently wrote this one.
>
> 73
>
> Roger (K8RI)
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Dan Schaaf
>> =================================
>> K3ZXL www.k3zxl.com
>> 60 Meters www.60metersonline.net
>> =================================
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Pete Smith N4ZR Sent: Saturday, 
>> August 31, 2013 5:57 AM To: towertalk at contesting.com Subject: Re: 
>> [TowerTalk] Towable towers available from the government
>> Heck, that's a lot more substantive than the sort of BS I get when I 
>> write my Congressperson.
>>
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
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>> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
>>
>> On 8/30/2013 6:29 PM, Jon Pearl - W4ABC wrote:
>>> ...and here's the *answer* that I received, today:
>>>
>>> August 30, 2013
>>>
>>> Thank you for letting me know of your concerns regarding the way in 
>>> which the Department of Defense (DOD) disposes of certain surplus 
>>> assets by auctioning them to the public. As the Chairman of the 
>>> Appropriations Subcommittee on National Defense, you can be sure 
>>> that I share your interest in this regard and appreciate knowing 
>>> your thoughts.
>>>
>>> The Defense Logistics Agency(DLA)Dispositions Services is charged 
>>> with disposing ofthe U.S. military'sexcess property. According to 
>>> the DOD, the excess property "is first offered for reutilization 
>>> within the Department of Defense , transfer to other federal 
>>> agencies, or donation to state and local governments andother 
>>> qualified organizations." In 2008, $2.2 billion worth of property 
>>> was reutilized.DLA Disposition Services maintains a Law Enforcement 
>>> Support Office (LESO)to coordinate transfers to state, local, and 
>>> federal; more than 11,500 agencies in all 50 states participate in 
>>> this program. In 2011, over $500 million worth of equipment was 
>>> transferred to law enforcement agencies. Property that has not been 
>>> transferred or donated can be made available for purchase by the 
>>> public. Of course, assets with military characteristics must be 
>>> demilitarized prior to being made available to the public.
>>>
>>> In an effort to be of all possible assistance to you, I have taken 
>>> the liberty of contacting Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, to share 
>>> with him your thoughts. The Secretary has assured me that your views 
>>> will be given serious consideration. This is a matter under careful 
>>> scrutiny by the Congress and you can be sure that I will continue to 
>>> monitor any new developments that occur.
>>>
>>> Again, thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding this 
>>> matter of mutual concern. It is my hope that you will continue to 
>>> keep me apprised of your interest in legislative issues important to 
>>> you.
>>>
>>> With best wishes and personal regards, I am
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Young
>>> Member of Congress
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/14/2013 7:24 PM, Jon Pearl - W4ABC wrote:
>>>> I saw this ad, earlier this month.
>>>>
>>>> I sent a letter to my Congressman asking how it was this didn't 
>>>> somehow qualify as waste, fraud or abuse of our wallets?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jon Pearl - W4ABC
>>>> www.w4abc.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/14/2013 6:50 PM, Mickey Baker wrote:
>>>>> Careful - this appears to be 198,000 pounds of scrap, now selling 
>>>>> at $45
>>>>> per pound, about $9M dollars, probably close to what the 
>>>>> government paid
>>>>> for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like a better deal... but that's the way I read it.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mickey N4MB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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