[TowerTalk] InnovAntennas contact info

[Wayne Kline]

Tell me your joking Pete !  My 3 element  12 ft. Boom  @  44 dollar Gotham  10 meter yagi dose not have 14DB  Gain ? :(    My day is ruined   Wayne,W3EA 
 > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:59:07 -0400
> From: n4zr at contesting.com
> To: towertalk at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] InnovAntennas contact info
> 
> Whoa there, Joe.  Dave is perfectly entitled to his skepticism, just as 
> the vendors are entitled not to answer questions if they don't want to.  
> You're too young to remember the absurd claims that Gotham used to make 
> for their antennas, or for that matter the craziness that most amateur 
> antenna manufacturers used to inflict on us in the 80s and 90s.
> 
> One of the truly lasting contributions that Force12 made was 
> clarification of the difference between dB gain (unqualified), dB 
> compared to an isotropic radiator and dB compared to a dipole at a 
> specified height above ground.  God knows those numbers could still be 
> fiddled (modeling over perfect ground, etc.) but they are a lot more 
> concrete than claims of "significantly" reduced man-made noise.
> 
> 73, Pete N4ZR
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> 
> On 3/20/2013 3:35 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> >
> > When the information is in the public domain it is not the job of
> > any vendor to regurgitate it in the form and place you want.  Just
> > because an antenna manufacturer chooses not to reprint Kraus, et. al.
> > or J. C Maxwell on his web page doesn't mean that the designs derived
> > from their work and others are not valid or verifiable.
> >
> > The mindset of so many people that they are *entitled* to personal
> > answers to every question the moment and in the form they desire just
> > because they choose to question rather than seek the information on 
> > their own.  This is so symptomatic of the ills of modern society.
> > Just a few years ago rather than demand "push" information, someone
> > with a real interest in the subject would have gone to the library and
> > read the journals where they would have found the answers in articles
> > reviewed by editors of the caliber of G(M)3SEK and other experts.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> >    ... Joe, W4TV
> >
> >
> > On 3/20/2013 2:51 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
> >>
> >> Uhh ... the burden is NOT on me to substantiate any vendor's claims for
> >> performance.  It's on him, and until he does so, I will remain the
> >> skeptic when I see things that have generally been debunked elsewhere,
> >> such as the claim that a loop driven element significantly reduces
> >> reception of man-made noise.
> >>
> >>  From http://www.g0ksc.co.uk/intro-lfa.html :
> >>
> >> "Additionally, the close (sic) loop at the feedpoint deems the LFA less
> >> susceptible to man-made noise and static."
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Dave   AB7E
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3/20/2013 11:13 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> If these antennas have been so extensively modeled and optimized,
> >>>> there should be a clear comparison available that would tell us
> >>>> whether the difference warrants the hype.
> >>>
> >>> Do just a little literature search for yourself rather than expect
> >>> that UPS will deliver a box of books customized for your skepticism.
> >>> There have been dozens of patterns posted on Justin's personal web
> >>> site over the last couple years as well as journals in the area and
> >>> web sites of other antenna developers.  The data is out there but
> >>> nobody is going to spoon feed the skeptics.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>>    ... Joe, W4TV
> >>>
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