# [TowerTalk] Determining coax length?

Dan Maguire djm2150 at yahoo.com
Wed Nov 13 03:30:39 EST 2013

```As K9YC said, coax VF changes as the frequency changes.  The TLDetails program allows you to plot VF vs Frequency for any of about a hundred different types of line, including Bury-Flex.  Here's a sample plot for two different types of RG-58, one more lossy than the other.  The higher the loss, the more the VF drops off at lower frequencies.

http://ac6la.com/tldplot2.png

Also, the OP wanted to know how critical it is to have equal coax lengths.  Using AutoEZ I put together a model with two generic 10m 4-element Yagis stacked at 35 and 70 feet (1 WL and 2 WL on 10m).  Each is initially fed with 100 ft of Bury-Flex from the respective feedpoints back to a simulated StackMaster II, modeled as an ideal transformer.  From there an additional run of 50 ft of Bury-Flex goes back to the rig.

All of those dimensions are adjustable.  Here's a screen grab of the AutoEZ "Variables" sheet.

And here are all the "non-antenna" parts of the model.

The Zo/VF/Loss values for Bury-Flex were automatically entered using this dialog window.  All three characteristics will change if the frequency is changed.

Then I used this dialog to calculate what 30 electrical degrees would be in feet, using the VF of Bury-Flex at 28.1 MHz.

Finally, I set up a "variable sweep" to change the length of line to the upper antenna by steps equivalent to 30 degrees.  That means I'm simulating a mismatch in the line lengths, starting with no mismatch and ending at 180 degrees of mismatch.

After calculating all the rows this is what the "Patterns" sheet shows.  You can use the spin button to "watch the movie" of the changing patterns as the mismatch in line lengths grows.

To demonstrate use of the spin button, here's an animated gif.  The changing value of variable "H" can be seen in the lower-right corner.  The outer ring has been frozen so that the pattern magnitudes as well as shapes may be compared.

http://ac6la.com

If you'd like to experiment with the free demo version of AutoEZ here's the model file used in the above study.  (Note that you can't just click on the link to open the model.  Save it to your computer then open it from within AutoEZ, as explained in Step 3 of the Quick Start guide.)

Because of the large number of segments you won't be able to use the demo version to calculate this model.  However, you _can_ modify the model geometry by manually changing one or more variable values, perhaps changing the antenna heights and/or the coax lengths to match your situation.  You can then use the "View Ant" button to view the modified model, which means that AutoEZ will create a temporary .ez format file, pass that file to EZNEC, and invoke the EZNEC viewer.  You can then use the EZNEC "FF Plot" button to show the pattern for that particular set of variable values.

As mentioned, the antennas in this model are just generic 10m Yagis that I happened to have on hand.  If you have an EZNEC file for your particular antenna please contact me off-list and I'll be happy to help you create a "stacked, fed, and variable-ized" model for use with AutoEZ.  And that applies even if you are using the demo version.

Dan, AC6LA
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