And the Tennadyne stands up to ice and wind well. I've had over an inch of ice on mine - looked like a sick buzzard - along with 60 mph wind gusts. As soon as the ice melted the elements straightened with no damage. Perry K4PWO <SNIP> One plug for Tennadyne: They are very inexpensive compared to most everything else on the market today. Chris KF7P </SNIP>