[TowerTalk] More from the M2 antennas quality control file

Tue Apr 14 12:13:22 EDT 2015

Hey Don!
Unwarranted? Think so?? So people painting me as a liar is cool? What
standards of behavior do you think are appropriate? Knives and axes?
The Gulag? Perhaps like others, you'd suggest CENSORING uncomfortable
topics?

As to the matter at hand, feel free to look at the pics. Any
questions, look again. Feel free to have a look at my posts. Nothing
but the truth.

There is no doubt of the lack of quality control by M2 antennas. Bad,
bad, bad!!!

I will continue to take the axe I've ground to a fine edge to the tree
that is M2 antennas.

Still havent' heard a word from that group. Typical of slimeball
operators. Take your money and run. Customer service after the sale?
HAHAHAH!!! WE'S GOT YOUR MONEY!!!! HAHAHAH!!

An antenna that's more than 50% wrong for $700 is beyond the pale. Bet
you'd jump on that DEAL!!!!

Norman J McSweyn

On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Don W7WLL <w7wll at arrl.net> wrote:
> I don't know about anyone else but frankly I'm tired of being subjected to
> having to read vicious and I believe unwarranted attacks on others on this
> reflector. Obviously no one here can help although many have put forth some
> ideas to pursue and tried to assist. Let's just stop going on about
> someone's personal 'problem' and get back to Towertalk basics, OK?
>
> Don W7WLL
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Lizeth Norman
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 6:01 AM
> To: Mickey Baker
> Cc: ve4xt at mymts.net ; towertalk ; K7LXC at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] More from the M2 antennas quality control file
>
> Wow!! For an engineer, you seem to have a great deal of psychiatric
> knowledge. Are you a doctor? Attend medical school? Practicing
> medicine with out a license is a felony punishable by jail time here
> in FL! Just how did you become so knowledgeable, anyway?? Inquiring
> minds want to know!!
>
> Feel free to attempt your sorry methods of intimidation somewhere
> else. People like you don't reach me anymore. As long as I tell the
> truth, I can look in the mirror.
>
> Continue writing as much as you'd like. That does not change the pictures.
> You did look at the pictures, right??
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Mickey Baker <fishflorida at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> At the ripe old age of 40-something, you seem to have not learned a lot
>> about being a human being.
>>
>> You keep referring to Six Sigma, a method of quality control that didn't
>> come into vogue until the 1990's. Those of us who have engineering
>> educations prior to that know that it is a packaged rehash of methods
>> developed by the telcos and the Japanese with Pop martial arts influences.
>> You might want to brush up on your QA vernacular.
>>
>> My private message to you last night was polite and well written, and
>> cautioned that perhaps your abrupt, rude approach was counter productive.
>> Your reply was another personal attack directed at me. Since then, you
>> have
>> escalated your rant here.
>>
>> It is obvious to all of us who are students of human behavior that you're
>> an
>> unhappy person probably going through more stressful events than an
>> antenna
>> problem. Most engineers that I know (and I know a lot of them) would spend
>> the time and energy actually addressing the problem at hand and getting an
>> antenna up rather than attacking a well respected manufacturer in a public
>> forum or yelling at them over the telephone or in email
>>
>> I must tell you that I'm embarrassed for you and actually feel sorry for
>> you. Why don't you stop this now, take some time for introspection today
>> and
>> perhaps read what you've written? $700 isn't worth the stress you're
>> putting
>> yourself through, nor the negative Karma you're generating for yourself in
>> the small amateur community.
>>
>> Move on.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Mickey N4MB
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015, Lizeth Norman <normanlizeth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Astroturfing is the act of attempting to intimidate someone by piling
>>> on and loading up on baseless accusations. This is usually done by
>>> individuals with MONEY interests in the subject at hand.
>>>
>>> That clown did both. He deserved my ire. There's more where that came
>>> from. Send me an astroturfing email and find out!!
>>>
>>> I will continue to defend my position, sending nasty out when getting
>>> nasty in, forever and ever!!!! That means any and all means.
>>>
>>> M2 leaves much, much to be desired. They cut corners with quality
>>> control. It shows. Have a look at the pics. Any questions? Look again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Lizeth Norman <normanlizeth at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > So what am I supposed to do when being called a LIAR on a mailing
>>> > reflector? Take that lying down? Not a chance.
>>> >
>>> > Go look at the pics. If you've got any questions, look again. 700$ for
>>> > a box of mistakes?? NOT!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 8:04 AM,  <ve4xt at mymts.net> wrote:
>>> >> Steve,
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm getting quite tired of this kind of classless, gutter language on
>>> >> the reflector.
>>> >>
>>> >> I have no way to challenge Norm's experience, but for him to be >>
>>> >> calling
>>> >> people liars and sacks of shit goes way, way over the line.
>>> >>
>>> >> Please dump this rude, arrogant idiot from the reflector.
>>> >>
>>> >> If he spoke to Mike the way he's speaking to Chuck, then he deserved
>>> >> the customer-service experience he's getting. More people have praised
>>> >> >> M2
>>> >> than have agreed with Norm.
>>> >>
>>> >> Norm's a bully, and the vulgarity here is unbelievable.
>>> >>
>>> >> Someone's right to free speech in no way obligates you to propagate
>>> >> such hateful drivel. Norm should be ashamed of himself.
>>> >>
>>> >> 73, Kelly
>>> >> ve4xt
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPad
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Apr 14, 2015, at 6:36 AM, "Lizeth Norman" <normanlizeth at gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hey Chuck!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm here to tell you that both Mike and his bride are unprintable
>>> >>> names. I find that those type of  people get EXACTLY what they
>>> >>> deserve. In this case, I'm merely the courier of their own mistakes.
>>> >>> Ones like cutting corners on things like QUALITY CONTROL!!!!! Look at
>>> >>> the pics: if you've got any questions, look again.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'd be happy to send you pictures of the completed antenna, the >>>
>>> >>> tower,
>>> >>> the station. What would you like? I'll BE EXTREMELY HAPPY TO
>>> >>> ILLUSTRATE WHAT A LIAR YOU ARE!!!!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You, sir, personally, are a lying sack of shit who is trying to cover
>>> >>> his buddies' ass whose pants were caught WAY WAY down. Go astroturf
>>> >>> somewhere else.  You do know what astroturfing is, right? If not,
>>> >>> google is your friend.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Don't you have a MONEY interest in this??? That makes you INELIGIBLE
>>> >>> to have any say in what goes on here.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Have a look at the pics. Feel free to weep. Look again. Those fools
>>> >>> let a MAJOR blunder leave their factory. It's more than 50% screwed
>>> >>> up. Not only that, I own it. Moreover, the documentation and item are
>>> >>> available for inspection in EL89va at any reasonable time of day. My
>>> >>> qth is less than 2 miles from I-75 as the crow flies.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Look at the pics. If you need, get a new pair of glasses. If there's
>>> >>> still a problem, visit a psychiatrist.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I will continue to defend my UNASSAILABLE position as long as I still
>>> >>> have breath. 50% of a $700 antenna that's broken is unacceptable!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> HERE'S A CLUE FOR YOU, FOOL!  I'm 42 and have been a ham 20 years.
>>> >>> >>> Not
>>> >>> only do I know the truth, odds are I'll be around a while to tell it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Feel free to soak your head. While you're there, tell Mike and that
>>> >>> ignorant c at nt (oops, I decided to name a name!! Bad me!!) he's >>>
>>> >>> married
>>> >>> to I said hi!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Norman J McSweyn
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 2:40 AM, Chuck Smallhouse >>>>
>>> >>>> <w7cs at theriver.com>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>> I have personally known Mike and Myrna for at least 40 years, way
>>> >>>> back when
>>> >>>> they were the M of KLM.  I consider them as some of my dearest ham
>>> >>>> friends.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I can't imagine Myrna ever raising her voice.  Mike can be a bit
>>> >>>> feisty,
>>> >>>> especially when someone challenges his integrity, as apparently you
>>> >>>> did,
>>> >>>> when you realized that you couldn't read instructions as well as you
>>> >>>> thought, and came down on him.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> As someone posted, cross polarity antennas that are designed and
>>> >>>> manufactured by some, do not probably have the same size vertical
>>> >>>> >>>> and
>>> >>>> horizontal elements, adjacent to each other, but often 90 degrees,
>>> >>>> >>>> or
>>> >>>> a 1/4
>>> >>>> w/l apart.   This allows a simplified phasing harness to be used, if
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>> operator would like to operate the antenna in circular polarity.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I strongly doubt that you have even tried to assemble this Cross Pol
>>> >>>> antenna, let alone made any measurements because if the element
>>> >>>> lengths are
>>> >>>> as wrong as you indicate, or placed in incorrect locations, you >>>>
>>> >>>> would
>>> >>>> not
>>> >>>> see a good VSWR at the antennas design frequency.  I would question
>>> >>>> about
>>> >>>> how you claim that you measured its pattern and side lobes.
>>> >>>> Certainly not
>>> >>>> using sun noise, as that single antenna has insufficient gain to do
>>> >>>> so.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I hope that you will now take your undeserved rants away from this
>>> >>>> reflector.  I believe that the readers are beginning to understand
>>> >>>> from
>>> >>>> where you are coming.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Chuck,  W7CS
>>> >>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Mickey Baker, N4MB
>> Fort Lauderdale, FL
>> “Tell me, and I will listen. Show me, and I will understand. Involve me,
>> and
>> I will learn.” Teton Lakota, American Indian Saying.
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