[TowerTalk] [Bulk] Re: G5RV vs 40M dipole

Tue May 26 08:32:34 EDT 2015

It's not just the ones marked 100w that are cheaply made. And you can always do better yourself for less money than the good ones. 

73, Kelly
ve4xt 

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> On May 26, 2015, at 6:36, "Bry Carling AF4K" <bcarling at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Some of those commercially made cheapie 100 watt baluns and transformers are obviously 
> nmot made to do the job properly.
> 
>> On 26 Apr 2015 at 14:08, Kelly Taylor wrote:
>> 
>> If the choke bead is getting too hot, it doesn't mean you shouldn't use a
>> choke. It means the choking impedance isn't high enough. Either the beads
>> aren't the proper ferrite material or there aren't enough of them. With many
>> commercial bead chokes, it's sometimes a combination of both errors.
>> 
>> If anything, the heat is proof a choke is required, because if that energy
>> wasn't making the bead choke hot, it would be on the outside of the
>> feedline.
>> 
>> 73, kelly
>> ve4xt
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4/26/15 12:51 PM, "Bry Carling" <bcarling at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes there is no way a monster fan dipole would work here. Small lot. I did try
>>> one and it was too obtrusive as well as high SWR on every band contradicting
>>> all theory. First I have heard of using any "choke bead" for a G5RV. If it's
>>> getting hot then it's wasting a lot of your RF power.
>>> 
>>> Best regards - Brian Carling
>>> AF4K Crystals Co.
>>> 117 Sterling Pine St.
>>> Sanford, FL 32773
>>> 
>>> Tel: +USA 321-262-5471
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 26, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Grant Saviers <grants2 at pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> My G5RV at QRO stopped working when the purchased bead choke at the
>>>> coax/ladderline junction got so hot it melted the coax.  They need several
>>>> thousand ohms of choke impedance, usually not found in most of the off the
>>>> shelf bead chokes.
>>>> 
>>>> OTOH two 80/40/20 fan dipoles (at right angles) I modeled and built worked
>>>> super at 65' high.  They worked on 15m with a tuner (<2.5:1 swr) and perhaps
>>>> on 10m if the coax is cut for a match or there is enough loss.   I separated
>>>> the ends by 24" using 3/8 sq pvc rod which makes for mechanical complexity
>>>> and difficulty winding it up (I use 10" diameter concrete column forms).
>>>> Eznec models are reasonably accurate if you follow the recommendations on
>>>> modeling by Cebik, #108-111 at http://www.antennex.com/w4rnl/
>>>> 
>>>> re VE7RF's conjecture that the center of every dipole may not need to be
>>>> connected:  Since I had a working EZNEC model, I disconnected the
>>>> transmission line connections to the 40 and 20m dipoles and fed only the 80m.
>>>> There is coupling but very poor swr; 4:1 on 40m, 10:1 on 20m, 8:1 on 15m, so
>>>> it's not a good idea.
>>>> 
>>>> Grant KZ1W
>>>> 
>>>>> On 4/26/2015 1:26 AM, Steve Hunt wrote:
>>>>> The 51ft "G5RV" performs well on 40m, 20m and 10m - bands where the SWR(50)
>>>>> at the ladderline/coax junction is moderate. On other bands the SWR(50) is
>>>>> high, and how well it performs will depend on the length and quality of your
>>>>> coax run.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 40m you will notice little difference compared to a half-wave dipole; on
>>>>> 20m it has a small amount of broadside gain over a half-wave dipole; and on
>>>>> 10m the azimuth pattern has broken into 6 major lobes, with best performance
>>>>> at 45 degrees to the direction of the wire
>>>>> 
>>>>> Using a good CM choke at the coax/ladderline junction is important - it will
>>>>> reduce radiation from the ladderline section and noise pick up on the coax
>>>>> run.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Steve G3TXQ
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 25/04/2015 21:11, Dick NY1E wrote:
>>>>>> I'm operating from a small lot in Florida winters, I have a 40M dipole up
>>>>>> but it doesn't quite fit my opening, it is into the branches 5 or 6 feet. I
>>>>>> wonder what the 51' G5RV would perform like compared to the dipole on 40,
>>>>>> and as a bonus I might get some other bands...   Any ideas???de Dick
>>>>>> NY1E/4www.ny1e.com
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