[TowerTalk] TowerTalk Digest, Vol 154, Issue 25
K2CB
k2cb at comcast.net
Wed Oct 14 23:20:14 EDT 2015
Yes. I did not see anything of technical significance re the dipole option the last time I checked.
Did you find something there worth referencing here?
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Did you look on the StepIR website?
73, Jim K9YC
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> 1. Re: DX Engineering (Thomas Noel)
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> 4. SteppIR DB36/42 80m option (K2CB)
> 5. Re: SteppIR DB36/42 80m option (Jim Brown)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 16:24:53 -0700
> From: Thomas Noel <tnoel at mac.com>
> To: Andre VanWyk <kr5dx at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Fred Keen <fredkeen at ymail.com>, Keith Dutson
> <kdutson at sbcglobal.net>, TowerTalk <TowerTalk at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] DX Engineering
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> Holy Crap! This is a zombie thread from early September. I long since declared my undying love for all things DXE related.
>
> From Sept 8:
>
> "To all:
>
> I was contacted by the owner, Tim Duffy who promised a satisfactory resolution. The task was passed to Tom Parkinson, who has conclusively proven, in both carefully measured prose and elaborate pictures, that I am an incompetent idiot. We still do not know just what caused my problem, and I am 3000 miles from home and unable to provide any more info to the diligent team looking for answers.
>
> I could not ask for more satisfactory service or attention to my needs."
>
> Thomas W Noel
> KF7RSF
>
>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 3:00 PM, Andre VanWyk via TowerTalk <towertalk at contesting.com> wrote:
>>
>> I echo Keith and Fred's comments. DXE has been excellent in service, product quality and shipping time. Everyone makes mistakes, but I find it hard to believe that someone at DXE will refuse to resolve this for you. There must be more to this story.
>> They have a return policy which is on par with other vendors, so if you don?t like the connectors, I am sure they will gladly refund you if you return the connectors. I think this is a discussion that should take place on the phone between you and DXE, not here on the reflector.
>> 73
>> NJ0F
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Fred Keen
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 1:55 PM
>> To: Keith Dutson ; 'TowerTalk'
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] DX Engineering
>>
>> My DX Engineering experience has been 100% positive, even when I order the wrong item :-(
>> FredKC5YN
>>
>>
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>> On Sunday, September 6, 2015 12:53 AM, Keith Dutson <kdutson at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I buy from a lot of vendors.
>> DX Engineering has earned more of my business in the past couple of years due mainly to the addition of quality products that I used to buy from other sources.
>> I also have noticed a big improvement in their service, especially in follow-up.
>> IMNSHO, I believe complainers are simply grumbling, maybe because they have nothing constructive to talk about. <grin>
>>
>> 73, Keith NM5G
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Matthew King - KK4CPS
>> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 11:58 PM
>> To: TowerTalk <TowerTalk at contesting.com>
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] DX Engineering
>>
>> Thomas - as the former owner of a small business, I always wondered if people were giving me a second chance if I made a mistake. I can tell you this - if I was made aware of a mistake, it was fixed, handled, and made right on the spot. I'm hoping that you didn't decide to withhold future business from DX Engineering and speak negatively of them in a public forum without at least calling a manager and making them aware of the situation and how things transpired in your first attempt to rectify the situation.
>>
>> Yours is the first "they were rude" story that I've ever heard about DX Engineering. I have a hunch that we've not heard the other side of the conversation. You'd already experienced the excellent service from them before, so I'd like to think if you gave them a second chance in proper fashion through proper channels that you'd see more of the great service that you'd grown accustomed to from prior dealings.
>>
>> Give them a call and get a manager (or the owner, Tim Duffy) on the phone and let them make it right for you, then come back and report that.
>>
>> To those that say they are overpriced on some things. No argument here, but I did recently hear that they price match, so maybe that'll help!
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Matt
>> KK4CPS
>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Thomas Noel <tnoel at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I shared the effusive praise opinion for DXE until a recent
>>> transaction. I purchased RG8X cable and ordered Crimp/Crimp connectors
>>> to go with. The connectors supplied were for old style solid conductor
>>> 8X cable, and their DXE brand coax with a stranded center conductor
>>> would not fit into the center crimp. When contacted, their only
>>> response was ?So, what do you expect us to do about it?? They would
>>> offer no solution, and were very rude on the phone.
>>>
>>> I will not do business with them again.
>>>
>>> Thomas W Noel
>>> KF7RSF
>>>
>>>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 3:36 PM, w1yw via TowerTalk
>>>> <towertalk at contesting.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A first rate operation, always helpful, always fast and friendly.
>>>> Great
>>> prices. Absolutely no complaints.
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Chip W1YW
>>>>
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> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:39:28 -0600
> From: EZ Rhino <EZRhino at fastmovers.biz>
> To: Towertalk Reflector <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] DX Engineering
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> Yeah, it came back from the dead. Can we please re-bury it? No more responses! Moving on......
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> Chris
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> On Oct 14, 2015, at 17:24 , Thomas Noel wrote:
>
> Holy Crap! This is a zombie thread from early September. I long since declared my undying love for all things DXE related.
>
> From Sept 8:
>
> "To all:
>
> I was contacted by the owner, Tim Duffy who promised a satisfactory resolution. The task was passed to Tom Parkinson, who has conclusively proven, in both carefully measured prose and elaborate pictures, that I am an incompetent idiot. We still do not know just what caused my problem, and I am 3000 miles from home and unable to provide any more info to the diligent team looking for answers.
>
> I could not ask for more satisfactory service or attention to my needs."
>
> Thomas W Noel
> KF7RSF
>
>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 3:00 PM, Andre VanWyk via TowerTalk <towertalk at contesting.com> wrote:
>>
>> I echo Keith and Fred's comments. DXE has been excellent in service, product quality and shipping time. Everyone makes mistakes, but I find it hard to believe that someone at DXE will refuse to resolve this for you. There must be more to this story.
>> They have a return policy which is on par with other vendors, so if you don?t like the connectors, I am sure they will gladly refund you if you return the connectors. I think this is a discussion that should take place on the phone between you and DXE, not here on the reflector.
>> 73
>> NJ0F
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Fred Keen
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 1:55 PM
>> To: Keith Dutson ; 'TowerTalk'
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] DX Engineering
>>
>> My DX Engineering experience has been 100% positive, even when I order the wrong item :-(
>> FredKC5YN
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 6, 2015 12:53 AM, Keith Dutson <kdutson at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I buy from a lot of vendors.
>> DX Engineering has earned more of my business in the past couple of years due mainly to the addition of quality products that I used to buy from other sources.
>> I also have noticed a big improvement in their service, especially in follow-up.
>> IMNSHO, I believe complainers are simply grumbling, maybe because they have nothing constructive to talk about. <grin>
>>
>> 73, Keith NM5G
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Matthew King - KK4CPS
>> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 11:58 PM
>> To: TowerTalk <TowerTalk at contesting.com>
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] DX Engineering
>>
>> Thomas - as the former owner of a small business, I always wondered if people were giving me a second chance if I made a mistake. I can tell you this - if I was made aware of a mistake, it was fixed, handled, and made right on the spot. I'm hoping that you didn't decide to withhold future business from DX Engineering and speak negatively of them in a public forum without at least calling a manager and making them aware of the situation and how things transpired in your first attempt to rectify the situation.
>>
>> Yours is the first "they were rude" story that I've ever heard about DX Engineering. I have a hunch that we've not heard the other side of the conversation. You'd already experienced the excellent service from them before, so I'd like to think if you gave them a second chance in proper fashion through proper channels that you'd see more of the great service that you'd grown accustomed to from prior dealings.
>>
>> Give them a call and get a manager (or the owner, Tim Duffy) on the phone and let them make it right for you, then come back and report that.
>>
>> To those that say they are overpriced on some things. No argument here, but I did recently hear that they price match, so maybe that'll help!
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Matt
>> KK4CPS
>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Thomas Noel <tnoel at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I shared the effusive praise opinion for DXE until a recent
>>> transaction. I purchased RG8X cable and ordered Crimp/Crimp connectors
>>> to go with. The connectors supplied were for old style solid conductor
>>> 8X cable, and their DXE brand coax with a stranded center conductor
>>> would not fit into the center crimp. When contacted, their only
>>> response was ?So, what do you expect us to do about it?? They would
>>> offer no solution, and were very rude on the phone.
>>>
>>> I will not do business with them again.
>>>
>>> Thomas W Noel
>>> KF7RSF
>>>
>>>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 3:36 PM, w1yw via TowerTalk
>>>> <towertalk at contesting.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A first rate operation, always helpful, always fast and friendly.
>>>> Great
>>> prices. Absolutely no complaints.
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Chip W1YW
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TowerTalk mailing list
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> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 21:06:37 -0400
> From: <john at kk9a.com>
> To: <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] DX Engineering
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> It must be a slow day. There were only a few posts regarding how to make an
> inefficient Sweepstakes antenna and no tower wench or true north questions.
>
> It is good to hear that DXE handled your issue satisfactorily. I had no
> doubts that they would take good care of you. When you got home, where you
> able to use the connectors after receiving more installation information?
>
> John KK9A
>
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> To: Andre VanWyk <kr5dx at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] DX Engineering
> From: Thomas Noel <tnoel at mac.com>
> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 16:24:53 -0700
> List-post: <towertalk at contesting.com">mailto:towertalk at contesting.com>
> Holy Crap! This is a zombie thread from early September. I long since
> declared
> my undying love for all things DXE related.
>
>> From Sept 8:
>
> "To all:
>
> I was contacted by the owner, Tim Duffy who promised a satisfactory
> resolution.
> The task was passed to Tom Parkinson, who has conclusively proven, in both
> carefully measured prose and elaborate pictures, that I am an incompetent
> idiot. We still do not know just what caused my problem, and I am 3000 miles
>
> from home and unable to provide any more info to the diligent team looking
> for
> answers.
>
> I could not ask for more satisfactory service or attention to my needs."
>
> Thomas W Noel
> KF7RSF
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 21:20:12 -0400
> From: K2CB <k2cb at comcast.net>
> To: TowerTalk at contesting.com
> Subject: [TowerTalk] SteppIR DB36/42 80m option
> Message-ID: <AF99256B-647B-4578-84B5-FF079AFA9E8F at comcast.net>
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> While we are discussing 80m antennas, can someone shed some light on the radiation pattern of the SteppIR dipole option for the larger DB36 and DB42 models?
>
> Is the maximum radiation towards the front and back of the antenna elements, or off the left and right sides of the boom?
>
> Also, what would you consider this design? Some sort of "H" dipole?
>
> Anyone know of any good write ups on this sort of "H" antenna design (the 80m portion, obviously) on the web?
>
> Finally, has anyone compared this to an 80m inverted V at similar heights?
>
> I have the DB36 with the dipole option at 91 ft, and an inverted V 80m dipole with the feed point/ apex just below it at 89 feet. The end of the two legs of the inverted v are at approximately 45ft above ground.
>
> I also have legs for 160m fed off the same feed point, which sit/hang 2 or 3 feet above the 80m legs. They are tied to the same end posts as the 80m legs. I just leave the ropes for the 80 m legs a little bit looser so they sag down below the 160 m legs by a few feet on the way down from the tower. Unfortunately I have no trees on the property, so the only tie offs are two posts in the far corners of my property.
>
> I am sure there is some severe interaction, so it really is hard for me to tell which one works better sometimes.
>
> My experience with both seems to show that the StrppIR "H" dipole is a little better for the long haul stuff into Europe, while the inverted V is much better (by 10db) for the close in (200-300 mile) and rag chew type contacts on 80 m.
>
> On a related note, I believe I am having some noticeable interaction with these inverted V's when I have the SteppIR on 40 m. As a non-scientific comparison, my buddy (N2II) up the road a few miles with only a two element 24ft boom linear loaded 40m yagi at the same 89ft height seems to do equally as good, if not slightly better, as I do with the three element 36ft boom SteppIR on 40 m.
>
> I have no experience with modeling, unfortunately. My area of expertise in the hobby is radio and amplifier repair. FWIW, I am willing to trade repair services for modeling services if anyone is ever interested in modeling my antenna set up.
>
> Eric
> K2CB
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> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:09:04 -0700
> From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: towertalk at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] SteppIR DB36/42 80m option
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>> On Wed,10/14/2015 6:20 PM, K2CB wrote:
>> Anyone know of any good write ups on this sort of "H" antenna design (the 80m portion, obviously) on the web?
>
> Did you look on the StepIR website?
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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