[TowerTalk] AES SK

Mon Jul 11 14:29:15 EDT 2016

Yup!

Those countries are heavy in STEM degrees, while we are heavy in what 
are basically useless degrees.
Degrees in science? Those are too hard, so they opt for the easy stuff 
and still end up with mediocre grades.  Still the powers that be, harp 
on that difference in earnings potential a degree brings. Of course 
they'll gladly loan those same, unsuited for college students, money 
that easy degree will never be capable of paying off. Can't get a job 
with a Bachelor's degree? Just borrow more money for an advanced degree 
in the same field. More debt and still no job.  A course on money 
management (with good grades) should be required for any college 
entrance. Teach them how not to live on credit.  That's never gonna happen!

When we were young, the goals were degrees in Chemistry, Physics, EE,  
Chem E, or teaching. Hobbies tended to be oriented toward the sciences. 
Most colleges had ham radio clubs.  Now days a Bachelor's degree only 
gives the student the tools to learn a profession once hired.  Hence, 
with degrees, but no practical experience, jobs are difficult to find.

Locally, the hams are getting involved, starting, electronics, science, 
Astronomy, and ham clubs. Kids are flocking to these clubs.(some  
advisors are retired PHDs who have a love for learning) Some are earning 
their ham tickets.  I should point out, that Midland, MI and the 
surrounding area is highly science oriented with lots of PHDs in 
chemistry and physics.  Hundreds of chemical and electrical engineering 
jobs.  So the kids get a taste of these sciences through these clubs 
that make learning fun instead of something to be endured. They explore 
fields ignored by the standard high school courses and give them a 
reason to be prepared for college.

Most call centers are the starting point, or ground floor, with the 
techs reading from scripts. Many, "from over there" are very difficult 
to understand, which is a growing problem: 
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2011/04/16/india-and-the-economic-folly-of-a-college-degree/#681f7f981d9a 

73

Roger (K8RI)

On 7/11/2016 Monday 1:13 PM, Jim Thomson wrote:
> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 23:27:58 -0400
> From: "Roger (K8RI) on TT" <K8RI-on-TowerTalk at tm.net>
> To: towertalk at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] AES SK
>
> A thought:
> I read that in another generation or two, India will have more people
> with 4 year college degrees than the total US population. Can China be
> far behind?  They have highly qualified people who WANT to work, while
> we have many college grads who want to tell their employers what they
> will do.  I've seen a drastic change in new hire attitudes in my 50 plus
> years in industry
>
>
> 73
>
> Roger (K8RI)
>
> ##  I ran into this young fellow the other day..working night shift at local 711.  he was the only one
> in there that knows up from down.  real bright.  Turns out he is one of our Syrian refugees..that arrived here
> in town not too long ago.   Turns out he has a masters degree in electrical engineering.....from a university
> in Jordan..plus a lot more education.     Aged 25.  he applies to all the cable companies, and also telcos, cell
> companies.. via their online hiring method.  Then gets zero reply from all of em.   he has zero work experience in
> any of his fields,  just loads of education...and lotsa  paper work + references to prove it.   I said id help him out if I can
> as I still know the right folks in the industry.  At least get the paper work to the right place.   I have seen too much
> talent walk right out the door.  too bad.  he was willing to relocate anywhere..and work any hrs.  All he really wanted
> was just an interview.
>
> ##  all these  11,000  folks the local telco hired in the philipines.... all have a min of  4 years university.   They do everything
> from processing orders for various telcos... to fielding calls  for visa /MC  and amex.   Huge call centers.   A huge
> chunk of our engineering depts have now gone to india.    Our engineers were really pissed off with that fiasco.  They
> came here from india..and sit beside our engineers....  who show em step by step how to do the work, process an
> eng request for XXX  etc.  Then 6 months later, the same indian fellow is now doing their job.   Local eng retires,
> and not replaced.   But no way in hell can anybody here in NA  even begin to compete  with cheap ( highly educated)
> folks on the other side of the planet.   gates was paying indian  software types  like  $5K  per year..which is a kings ransom
> over there.   Philipinos make abt $15- 20  per day ..and none of em get any benefits..or very minimal.
>
> ##  In india, they process one helluva lot of income tax forms for the IRS in the usa.   that plus a lot of other stuff.  Now
> state govts  are farming out  work to em.    When the internet started.. we all predicted... electronic sweat shops in 20 years,
> and we were correct.   You can  now email the  MRI  /  CT scan to some Dr  in India..who will analyze it for u..then  email back the
> results.   U got no idea whats  coming down the pipe in the next 2-5 years.   Local telco is now installing fiber  directly into all homes.
> The bandwidth is insane.   1500 gig  bi directional on one strand is the norm these days..which is then shared by just 12 x customers.
> Homes get one strand..and business gets 3 strands.   Each strand is divided into 12..via a prism  into 12 channels.  One channel
> per home...and  3 x channels for most business customers. banks and financial institutions, govt offices etc, get a lot more... +
> redundant strands.   4k  video and high res mri /ct  etc,  is all geared up to process vast amounts of data.... on the other side of the planet.
>
> Jim   VE7RF
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Roger (K8RI)

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