[TowerTalk] common mode chokes, baluns and multiband doublets

[Máximo EA1DDO_HK1H]

I see.


So, don't use dodgy aerials.

One aerial could match is the 42m loop (138 ft), which offers good match in four bands easily.


(next image is a close example, not exact antenna)


https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.qrz.com/w/va2obw/DELTA_LOOP_SWR.jpg

[https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.qrz.com/w/va2obw/DELTA_LOOP_SWR.jpg]

Thank you


73, Maximo



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De: TowerTalk <towertalk-bounces at contesting.com> en nombre de Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
Enviado: martes, 12 de diciembre de 2017 8:41
Para: towertalk at contesting.com
Asunto: Re: [TowerTalk] common mode chokes, baluns and multiband doublets

On 12/12/2017 12:21 AM, Máximo EA1DDO_HK1H wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
>
> <On the basis of
> <that work, I do not believe that it is practical to effectively choke
> <any badly matched antenna at any power level above 100W, and even at
> <100W it's easy to fry a choke.
>
>
> So, I understand you are saying to use proper balun transformer for badly matched antennas above 100w.

Hi Maximo,

No, I'm not. Here's the problem.  "All-band" antennas fed with high
impedance (usually 450 ohms) open wire line depend on the relatively low
loss of those lines with high mismatch to "work." But these antennas
have a low impedance on some bands, a high impedance on others. They are
rarely matched on more than one or two bands. AND -- the only effective
common mode chokes we can build from coax or 2-wire line have impedances
in the range of 50 - 105 ohms.  Antennas with very low feedpoint Z (less
than 25 ohms) or very high feedpoint Z (more than about 200 ohms) on any
given band will have very high SWR, and any choke built for some other
Zo will likely fry.

> And at same time, to use choke only on small unmatched antennas.
>
> Am I right?

No. What I'm saying is that if it's single wire that we want to use on
all bands, we're very lucky to get a good match on only one band.
Unless you're running low power, any choke that DOES ANYTHING (kill RX
noise) will FRY.

> For example, to use a well sized Guanella balun (symmetric, twin toroids)

Because the antenna is high Z on some band(s) and low Z on others, that
Guanella will provide a reasonable match on one or more bands but a
terrible match on others. One size does not fit all!

> , at feed point, then choke the coax if necessary at the radio shack entrance.

A choke in the shack does NOT kill RX noise. It must be at the feedpoint
(up in the air, where the feedline connects to the horizontal wires).

These "all band" random wires and off-center-fed wires were a good idea
30 years ago when there was very little local noise, but they are a
TERRIBLE idea for today, with every home filled with 20-30 noise sources.

73, Jim K9YC

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