[TowerTalk] Fwd: anti-climb, litigation, attractive

[Roger (K8RI) on TT]

Last I heard, it depends on the jurisdiction, but from pre teens through 
teens, they are likely to take any measures as a challenge.  In many 
jurisdictions, it matters not to what lengths you go, if they can 
circumvent what ever measures you take, you can be found guilty. Add to 
that, civil suits.  They are likely to be more generous with awards than 
criminal proceedings.

73,  Roger (K8RI)

On 2/10/2017 11:16 PM, Hans Hammarquist via TowerTalk wrote:
> Jim,
>   
> The thing is that, according to what I read, you have to fail ALL the five
> point in order for some courts to find you responsible. I believe that you
> have to fail at least some of them. If you put up a fence or anticlimb
> device  you should be relatively safe. No, I don't think it can be considered
> "cost  efficient" to use illuminated signs with motion detectors etc. A fence
> around  your entire installation with guy wires etc should be considered,
> from y point  of view, enough.
>   
> You can never stop anybody that is determined enough. If somebody wants
> dearly to climb your tower they will. You can't stop them. I would like to
> see,  no actually I wouldn't, that court that will hold you responsible for
> that. The  same way, if somebody breaks in to your house and get injured a
> court will not  hold you responsible for that. Yes, there are myths around it
> how a bungler  slips on ice when breaking in and the owner end up paying
> compensation but  nobody can show where this happened.
>   
> Anyhow, an anticlimb something and a few signs should be enough for most
> situations if I read it right.
>   
> Hans - N2JFS
>   
>    
> ____________________________________
>   From: _jim.thom at telus.net_ (mailto:jim.thom at telus.net)
> To:  towertalk at contesting.com
> Sent: 2/10/2017 1:52:04 P.M. Eastern Standard  Time
> Subj: [TowerTalk] anti-climb, litigation, attractive
>
>
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 18:36:41 -0500
> From: Hans  Hammarquist <hanslg at aol.com>
> To: towertalk at contesting.com
> Subject:  [TowerTalk] Fwd:  Fwd:  anti-climb, litigation,  attractive
> nuisance
>
> I do believe that if you put up the anti-climb  planks or a reasonable high
> fence around the tower and add signs warning about  the danger you should
> be relatively safe. Regarding high RF levels I suggest  that you keep this
> under control so you can interrupt transmission if somebody  enter that area.
> A better alternative would be to avoid high RF levels at  ground altogether.
>
>
> 73 de, Hans - N2JFS -----
>
> ##  and if  you post signs, they had better be in several languages. They
> should also be  illuminated at night, like  perhaps a motion detector
> led..and perhaps  powered from a UPS supply.
> And if you mark the signs...danger.   Danger from what, falling yagis, or
> falling ice, or your shunt fed 160m  Tower.
> And if marked ..danger.   That implies the tower is a  dangerous hazard.
> You just implicated yourself, good luck with that.   One of the local hams
> used  three 4 x 8 sheets  of  plywood on the base of his trylon tower.
> Painted em white.    Easily removed when required.  At the telco I worked
> at, we used 4  sided  steel fencing, non climbable, and barbed wire facing
> outwards at  the top, at a 45 deg angle... for both towers, and also
> guy  anchors.   Teen aged kids and guy anchors are a bad mix.    Base of
> tower + equipment buildings were also fenced off with an 8 ft tall  fence +
> more barbed wire.
>
> Jim   VE7RF
>
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Roger (K8RI)


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