[TowerTalk] TowerTalk Digest, Vol 169, Issue 55

Mon Jan 16 12:44:01 EST 2017

LMAO!!!

I have 12 acres out here and lease the lower 9 to a farmer.  Last year he raised purple sweet potatoes, this year possibly turmeric.  The pig situation out here is really something.  The pigs love to dig big frigging holes.  That combined with the slope of the terrain make for interesting mowing.  They are nasty critters, but are easy to keep out of the yard with a fence a little over  one foot in height.  Pigs can't jump very easily!

As for 75, I'm not a pig farmer, just a pig hater.  Too bad we can't put up an electric fence to keep those guys off the ham bands.

73  Bill

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: noise profiles... (Paul Plants)
   2. Re: Noise Profiles.... (Ed Sawyer)
   3. Re: Fence charger (john at kk9a.com)
 4. Re: Noise Profiles.... (Chuck Dietz)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 12:49:37 -0500
From: Paul Plants <w3plp at verizon.net>
To: Chuck Dietz <w5prchuck at gmail.com>
Cc: "towertalk at contesting.com" <towertalk at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] noise profiles...
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Paul
W3PLP
Sent from my iPad Air 2

> On Jan 15, 2017, at 12:48 PM, Chuck Dietz <w5prchuck at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Is it the same radio you use in the shack?  Could it be a bad diode in the
> rig? No.
> 
> Chuck W5PR
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Paul Plants <w3plp at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Paul
>> W3PLP
>> Sent from my iPad Air 2
>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2017, at 11:18 AM, <w5prchuck at gmail.com> <w5prchuck at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I have a noise, what do you think it could be?? doesn?t give us much to
>> go on. Can you give us more information?
>>> 
>>> Does the signal level vary with frequency?  No
>>> Does the level vary with direction?  No
>>> How are you looking for it? With what? Yeasu ssb radio
>>> Surely it must be somehow localized to some area. How big? So far 2 mile
>> radius and still looking
>>> Have you checked close to power lines? Is it louder there?  No
>>> Have you checked close to cable tv lines? No
>>> Have you determined it is not in your shack? Not.  Did pull mains three
>> times
>>> 
>> Signal drops off sharp below 18 MHz and above 30 mhz
>>> 
>>> Chuck W5PR
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>> 
>>> From: Paul Plants
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 10:03 AM
>>> To: Jim Thomson
>>> Cc: towertalk at contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] noise profiles...
>>> 
>>> I have a problem here Washington, Pa, 30 miles south of Pittsburgh. I
>> have a white sound noise that run from 18 MHz to 30 MHz with constant s7
>> noise level. I have driven around every street with in 2 miles and can't
>> find it?
>>> Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> W3PLP
>>> Sent from my iPad Air 2
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 12:45 PM, Jim Thomson <jim.thom at telus.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:31:22 -0500
>>>> From: "StellarCAT" <rxdesign at ssvecnet.com>
>>>> To: "jimlux" <jimlux at earthlink.net>, <towertalk at contesting.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] noise profiles...
>>>> 
>>>> Why would anyone spend so much more for electricity to 'save' on
>> vegetables
>>>> from an indoor garden?!
>>>> 
>>>> Seems, to me, at least likely, only one reason why it is there...
>>>> 
>>>> Gary
>>>> 
>>>> ##  pot sells for  $3K  a lb.   And these grow-op folks get 4 x crops
>> per year.
>>>> Do the maths, huge $$ involved.   They grow pot up here by the dump
>> truck load...
>>>> then  trade it lb for lb,  straight across to  the the americans...for
>> cocaine.
>>>> 
>>>> ##  we had cases of legal grow-ops,  fed govt  licensed to produce....
>> X  lbs per year, that
>>>> got busted for producing  20 X  per year.   Power company + cops busted
>> a guy on the other
>>>> side of town here, where the pole pigs are really small, like 25 kva.
>> He was sucking 20 kva,
>>>> and as typ, they oversize the HV fuses, and also use slo-blo types.  3
>> pole pigs have caught fire,
>>>> when those things flame on, look out,  flaming oil  dropping down onto
>> the ground.
>>>> 
>>>> ##  a friend 6 blocks from me has a 50 kva  xfmr on the pole across the
>> street.  It was buzzing so
>>>> loud you could hear it from 200?  away.  It got replaced.  Everybody on
>> that
>> 
>> 
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 03:50:03 -0500
From: "Ed Sawyer" <sawyered at earthlink.net>
To: <towertalk at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Noise Profiles....
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Message: 5

Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 11:31:43 -0500

From: Paul Plants <w3plp at verizon.net>

To: w5prchuck at gmail.com

Cc: Jim Thomson <jim.thom at telus.net>,       "towertalk at contesting.com"

           <towertalk at contesting.com>

Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] noise profiles...

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Paul, 

If you are driving around with an HF rig in your neighborhood, you will have
a hard time finding interference that way.  What I usually assume is that
the noise source is generating signals in the UHF spectrum as well.  I tend
to walk, not drive, around with a 450Mhz Yaesu HT that has AM mode -
connected to a 6 el hand held yagi - and headphones.  As you walk past each
pole, transformer, and house, point the yagi at the items to see if any
noise rises up from the noise floor.  Typically - interference is no more
than 1 mile from your house (air mile) - often closer - if its S7+.  I have
yet to not find the offender using this method.  Once a suspecting source
has been zero'd in on, use the "deep null" feature of a 6 el yagi and see
where the nulls are (better rays than the max gain of the yagi).  Try and
identify the source from at least 3 different sides to be sure its actually
where you keep thinking it is - often its not quite where you thought it
was.

73

Ed  N1UR

Paul

W3PLP

Sent from my iPad Air 2

> On Jan 15, 2017, at 11:18 AM, <w5prchuck at gmail.com> <w5prchuck at gmail.com>
wrote:

> 

> ?I have a noise, what do you think it could be?? doesn?t give us much to
go on. Can you give us more information?

> 

> Does the signal level vary with frequency?  No

> Does the level vary with direction?  No

> How are you looking for it? With what? Yeasu ssb radio

> Surely it must be somehow localized to some area. How big? So far 2 mile
radius and still looking

> Have you checked close to power lines? Is it louder there?  No

> Have you checked close to cable tv lines? No

> Have you determined it is not in your shack? Not.  Did pull mains three
times

> 

Signal drops off sharp below 18 MHz and above 30 mhz

> 

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 09:05:30 -0500
From: "john at kk9a.com" <john at kk9a.com>
To: towertalk at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Fence charger
Message-ID: <9c56f09818640942edd7c118819cd3b8.squirrel at www11.qth.com>
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So Bill, did you quit contesting and you are now a pig farmer? You will
have to trim about 4 feet off of your 80m phone antenna.

John KK9A

To:	towertalk at contesting.com
Subject:	[TowerTalk] Fence charger
From:	Bill via TowerTalk <towertalk at contesting.com>
Reply-to:	Cqtestk4xs at aol.com
Date:	Sat, 7 Jan 2017 10:49:02 -0500

I'm looking for a nice RFI quiet fence charger for my new pig  fence.  Any
recommendations?  Please send them off reflector to my  email address:

_cqtestk4xs at aol.com_ (mailto:cqtestk4xs at aol.com)

73  Bill K4XS

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 08:27:53 -0600
From: Chuck Dietz <w5prchuck at gmail.com>
To: sawyered at earthlink.net
Cc: "towertalk at contesting.com" <towertalk at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Noise Profiles....
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Good method, Ed.
It can be in underground utilities too. It will propagate down the wires,
but will be strongest at one point.
At my location I used an AM broadcast band portable radio. I had a source
in new underground utilities in a new subdivision 1/2 mile to my north. Got
that fixed, then there was still a noise in the same direction. Tracked
that to a model home. Must have been some arc in the A/C or something.
Went back on Monday to tell them and there was an electrician already
there. All is quiet now!

Chuck W5PR

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 2:50 AM, Ed Sawyer <sawyered at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Message: 5
>
> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 11:31:43 -0500
>
> From: Paul Plants <w3plp at verizon.net>
>
> To: w5prchuck at gmail.com
>
> Cc: Jim Thomson <jim.thom at telus.net>,       "towertalk at contesting.com"
>
>             <towertalk at contesting.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] noise profiles...
>
> Message-ID: <E043185A-6C48-4CE2-9EE9-66277B04B340 at verizon.net>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul,
>
>
>
> If you are driving around with an HF rig in your neighborhood, you will
> have
> a hard time finding interference that way.  What I usually assume is that
> the noise source is generating signals in the UHF spectrum as well.  I tend
> to walk, not drive, around with a 450Mhz Yaesu HT that has AM mode -
> connected to a 6 el hand held yagi - and headphones.  As you walk past each
> pole, transformer, and house, point the yagi at the items to see if any
> noise rises up from the noise floor.  Typically - interference is no more
> than 1 mile from your house (air mile) - often closer - if its S7+.  I have
> yet to not find the offender using this method.  Once a suspecting source
> has been zero'd in on, use the "deep null" feature of a 6 el yagi and see
> where the nulls are (better rays than the max gain of the yagi).  Try and
> identify the source from at least 3 different sides to be sure its actually
> where you keep thinking it is - often its not quite where you thought it
> was.
>
>
>
> 73
>
>
>
> Ed  N1UR
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul
>
> W3PLP
>
> Sent from my iPad Air 2
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 2017, at 11:18 AM, <w5prchuck at gmail.com> <w5prchuck at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > ?I have a noise, what do you think it could be?? doesn?t give us much to
> go on. Can you give us more information?
>
> >
>
> > Does the signal level vary with frequency?  No
>
> > Does the level vary with direction?  No
>
> > How are you looking for it? With what? Yeasu ssb radio
>
> > Surely it must be somehow localized to some area. How big? So far 2 mile
> radius and still looking
>
> > Have you checked close to power lines? Is it louder there?  No
>
> > Have you checked close to cable tv lines? No
>
> > Have you determined it is not in your shack? Not.  Did pull mains three
> times
>
> >
>
> Signal drops off sharp below 18 MHz and above 30 mhz
>
> >
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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