[TowerTalk] HyGain 155CA dampening rope

[Grant Saviers]

One more experience - I found in assembly of TH7's that it took a few 
days for the materials and clamps to stress equalize.  When 
re-tightening all fasteners it was quite surprising how loose many 
were.  Never had a problem with them thereafter.

Even better if there is large temperature cycling (hot sun, cold nights) 
for the equalizing time.

Grant KZ1W

On 6/22/2017 8:05 AM, Billy Cox wrote:
> One point of concern ... and overall I agree with what Bob is saying here.
>
> If the mechanical/physical design between the two diameters is not correct,
> meaning there is an excessive measurable difference between the OD of
> the smaller element tubing and the ID of the larger element tubing .
>
> .. and no effective manner to address that difference, such as slot(s) or ?
> in the larger tubing, then we may be requiring the clamp to do something
> that is outside it's properly designed function.
>
> Meaning the effort required to close the excessive difference between the
> two materials may exceed what the clamp design can provide.
>
> These types of clamps are not by design to be used as "universal Vise-Grips"
> to overcome what may have a been a poor or inaccurate joint configuration.
>
> You can check for this by seeing how "loose" the smaller tubing is inside the
> larger tubing BEFORE installing the clamp(s).
>
> And ask yourself, "OK, exactly how or what is going to close this gap?"
>
> So if it seems that you are stripping out multiple clamps, or are able to pull or
> twist the element section AFTER the clamp is tight ... then look closer as to
> the overall joint construction ... it might save you replacement time later.
>
> 73 de Billy, AA4NU
>
> PS ... my apology for busting KQ2M's name in the earlier email ... it's Bob!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Bob Shohet, KQ2M" <kq2m at kq2m.com>
> To: john at kk9a.com, towertalk at contesting.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 8:05:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HyGain 155CA dampening rope
>
> There are two reasons.
>
> 1) Many of the screw clamps do NOT tighten enough to keep the element pieces from slipping. I used to test the clamps but tightening as much as possible (without stripping the clamp) and then trying to pull out the thinnest element piece – I succeeded ~ 50% of the time. meaning that over time and the normal expansion/shrinking cycle due to the seasonal temperature changes (coefficient of thermal expansion) would almost certainly cause the element tip to extend and ultimately fall out aided and abetted by any wind.
>
> 2) The loose fit would allow the element tip to vibrate, which after a period of time, would cause metal fatigue which could easily cause the element tip to crack and/or break off. And, once the element tip begins to crack, moisture can get in and then freeze which would expand any crack or possibly fracture the element tip.
>
> These are the two most common types of element tip failures associated with the Hygain antennas and most other types of antennas.
>
> Using my two Stainless Steel hoseclamp method and flattening the hoseclamp ends and taping over them, I have never had a failure of this type in 18 years on 11 different Hygain Yagis (105CA, 155CA, 205CA). Which, given the prevalence of ice-storms (averaging 7 per year!), Nor’easters, violent T-storms and Hurricanes at my qth, is as good any :”real-world” antenna “test-range”. ;-)
>
> BTW, not all stainless steel hoseclamps will tighten all the way either – I know this from the same test that I performed on the Hygain Screw clamps. With the hoseclamps, if they don’t tighten all the way and keep the element completely unmovable, I replace the offending hoseclamp with one that WILL keep the element tip completely tight.
>
> 73
>
> Bob KQ2M
>
> From: john at kk9a.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 8:43 AM
> To: towertalk at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HyGain 155CA dampening rope
>
> Why would the screw clamp have any effect on the elements braking? The
> parts website seems to indicate that HyGain uses 0.028" wall thickness on
> their 20m element tips.
> http://www.hy-gain.com/Product.php?productid=174939.
>
> John KK9A
>
>
>
> To: "Bill Parry" <bparry at rgv.rr.com>, <towertalk at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] HyGain 155CA dampening rope
> From: "Bob Shohet, KQ2M" <kq2m at kq2m.com>
> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 07:47:51 -0400
>
>
> Bill,
>
> Did you use the stock Hygain screw clamps at the end of the telescoping
> elements or did you use stainless steel hoseclamps like I do?
>
> 73
>
> Bob KQ2M
>
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