[TowerTalk] Amateur Radio Tower Ordinances Digest, Vol 251, Issue 13

Wed Nov 22 20:23:36 EST 2023

Gone are the days like the 1970's when I walked into our bldg. inspector with a plot plan.  In the middle of the woods in back of my house I drew an X on the plan, and said "100 ft tower."   Bldg inspector did a quick look and said, "well, if it falls over, its all on your land."  ..no need for a permit or whatever.

 I never admitted this til now, but the guy lines were anchored to a 3/4" threaded galv  rod implanted a right angles to the guys, through some pretty hefty oak trees.  ends out each side had hardware to attach the guys to.  TH6 DX and 20 (21?   HI)  el 2m collinear on top, + slopers.   44 years later  (2016) standing strong, through many NEasterns and hurricanes in MA.

Not the way to do it, but I had a friend who did it with 3 towers, he was sort of the proving ground.

I apologize to all you engineers who are huffing/puffing now about what I did.

 Don't ask me about the base, that still will remain a secret  HI
But take a guess if you like.

 Have a Great T Day, and Thanks for all your patronage.

 Steve,  K1PEK   DAVIS RF.    DAVIS ROPE    (no the guys were per spec, not rope)

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   5. Amateur Radio Tower Ordinances (Bob K6ZZ)
   6. Re: Amateur Radio Tower Ordinances (Ron WV4P)
   7. Re: Amateur Radio Tower Ore A. Flynn)
   8. Re: Amateur Radio Tower Ordinances (Wes Stewart)
   9. Re: Amateur Radio Tower Ordinances (Bob K6ZZ)
  10. Re: Amateur Radio Tower Ordinances (Jack Brindle)
  11. Re: Amateur Radio Tower Ordinances (Steve Jones)

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:59:44 -0500
From: Bob K6ZZ <bob.selbrede at gmail.com>
To: towertalk at contesting.com
Subject: [TowerTalk] Amateur Radio Tower Ordinances
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Are there any good examples out there that a municipality could adopt/copy to create a reasonable ordnance for Ham Radio towers? My new QTH doesn?t have anything specific for Ham Radio but they do for commercial towers and Public Communications Services (PCS) towers. PCS is something specific in FCC parlance and shouldn?t be applied to Amateur Radio IMHO. I?m hoping to talk them into creating a simple reasonable ordinance based on successful application elsewhere.

Thanks, Bob K6ZZ
Sent from my iPhone

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:22:56 -0600
From: Ron WV4P <wv4ptn at gmail.com>
To: Bob K6ZZ <bob.selbrede at gmail.com>
Cc: towertalk at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Amateur Radio Tower Ordinances
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There are no rules for ham so you want them to create some ?
That makes zero sense.

Ron, WV4P

On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 5:00?PM Bob K6ZZ <bob.selbrede at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are there any good examples out there that a municipality could adopt/copy
> to create a reasonable ordnance for Ham Radio towers? My new QTH doesn?t
> have anything specific for Ham Radio but they do for commercial towers and
> Public Communications Services (PCS) towers. PCS is something specific in
> FCC parlance and shouldn?t be applied to Amateur Radio IMHO. I?m hoping to
> talk them into creating a simple reasonable ordinance based on successful
> application elsewhere.
>
> Thanks, Bob K6ZZ
> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:35:09 -0500
From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn at theflynn.org>
To: towertalk at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Amateur Radio Tower Ordinances
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Actually it does - Do you want your 30 foot Rohn 25 tower bracketed to
your house classified by the same rules as a cell / pcs? or Commercial
two-way tower?

On 11/22/2023 6:22 PM, Ron WV4P wrote:
> There are no rules for ham so you want them to create some ?
> That makes zero sense.
>
> Ron, WV4P
>
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 5:00?PM Bob K6ZZ <bob.selbrede at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Are there any good examples out there that a municipality could adopt/copy
>> to create a reasonable ordnance for Ham Radio towers? My new QTH doesn?t
>> have anything specific for Ham Radio but they do for commercial towers and
>> Public Communications Services (PCS) towers. PCS is something specific in
>> FCC parlance and shouldn?t be applied to Amateur Radio IMHO. I?m hoping to
>> talk them into creating a simple reasonable ordinance based on successful
>> application elsewhere.
>>
>> Thanks, Bob K6ZZ
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:35:05 +0000 (UTC)
From: Wes Stewart <n7ws at yahoo.com>
To: "towertalk at contesting.com" <towertalk at contesting.com>,       Bob K6ZZ
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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Amateur Radio Tower Ordinances
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 Why do you need an ordinance?
Wes? N7WS

    On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 04:00:09 PM MST, Bob K6ZZ <bob.selbrede at gmail.com> wrote:

 Are there any good examples out there that a municipality could adopt/copy to create a reasonable ordnance for Ham Radio towers? My new QTH doesn?t have anything specific for Ham Radio but they do for commercial towers and Public Communications Services (PCS) towers. PCS is something specific in FCC parlance and shouldn?t be applied to Amateur Radio IMHO. I?m hoping to talk them into creating a simple reasonable ordinance based on successful application elsewhere.

Thanks, Bob K6ZZ
Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:38:45 -0500
From: Bob K6ZZ <bob.selbrede at gmail.com>
To: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn at theflynn.org>
Cc: TowerTalk at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Amateur Radio Tower Ordinances
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I would only suggest a more reasonable ordinance if they insisted on applying the PCS ordinance to Ham Radio. If they tell me there are no applicable ordinances and give me a green light, I?m certainly not going to argue with that logic!

Bob

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> On Nov 22, 2023, at 6:32 PM, Martin A. Flynn <maflynn at theflynn.org> wrote:
>
> ?Actually it does - Do you want your 30 foot Rohn 25 tower bracketed to your house classified by the same rules as a cell / pcs  or Commercial two-way tower?
>
>> On 11/22/2023 6:22 PM, Ron WV4P wrote:
>> There are no rules for ham so you want them to create some ?
>> That makes zero sense.
>>
>> Ron, WV4P
>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 5:00?PM Bob K6ZZ <bob.selbrede at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Are there any good examples out there that a municipality could adopt/copy
>>> to create a reasonable ordnance for Ham Radio towers? My new QTH doesn?t
>>> have anything specific for Ham Radio but they do for commercial towers and
>>> Public Communications Services (PCS) towers. PCS is something specific in
>>> FCC parlance and shouldn?t be applied to Amateur Radio IMHO. I?m hoping to
>>> talk them into creating a simple reasonable ordinance based on successful
>>> application elsewhere.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Bob K6ZZ
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TowerTalk mailing list
>>> TowerTalk at contesting.com
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:53:19 -0600
From: Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com>
To: TowerTalk at contesting.com
Cc: Bob K6ZZ <bob.selbrede at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Amateur Radio Tower Ordinances
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You are in California. There is a state law that requires local governments to treat you quite reasonably. They cannot apply the PCS and commercial ordinances to ham radio antenna systems.
It is easy to look up the CA law on the internet. You might want to bring a copy with you to meet with the planning people.

By the way, the City of Campbell, in the Bay area, has no ordinance covering ham towers. They are quite happy not to have one, in fact. We tend to be excellent citizens.

73,
Jack, W6FB
Now in Louisiana, which also has a state version of the FCC PRB1 regulation.

> On Nov 22, 2023, at 5:38?PM, Bob K6ZZ <bob.selbrede at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would only suggest a more reasonable ordinance if they insisted on applying the PCS ordinance to Ham Radio. If they tell me there are no applicable ordinances and give me a green light, I?m certainly not going to argue with that logic!
>
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 22, 2023, at 6:32 PM, Martin A. Flynn <maflynn at theflynn.org> wrote:
>>
>> ?Actually it does - Do you want your 30 foot Rohn 25 tower bracketed to your house classified by the same rules as a cell / pcs  or Commercial two-way tower?
>>
>>> On 11/22/2023 6:22 PM, Ron WV4P wrote:
>>> There are no rules for ham so you want them to create some ?
>>> That makes zero sense.
>>>
>>> Ron, WV4P
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 5:00?PM Bob K6ZZ <bob.selbrede at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Are there any good examples out there that a municipality could adopt/copy
>>>> to create a reasonable ordnance for Ham Radio towers? My new QTH doesn?t
>>>> have anything specific for Ham Radio but they do for commercial towers and
>>>> Public Communications Services (PCS) towers. PCS is something specific in
>>>> FCC parlance and shouldn?t be applied to Amateur Radio IMHO. I?m hoping to
>>>> talk them into creating a simple reasonable ordinance based on successful
>>>> application elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Bob K6ZZ
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TowerTalk mailing list
>>>> TowerTalk at contesting.com
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>>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:57:32 -0800
From: "Steve Jones" <n6sj at earthlink.net>
To: "'Wes Stewart'" <n7ws at yahoo.com>, <towertalk at contesting.com>,
        "'Bob K6ZZ'" <bob.selbrede at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Amateur Radio Tower Ordinances
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I initially had this problem in San Mateo County, near SF.  The Planning Dept. wanted to issue me a "conditional use permit" which would need to be renewed every year.  I explained this is not a tower for commercial use such as a cell tower.  They backed off and gave me a permit, only after I completed an environmental review check list and came up with a design to prevent the new 36 square feet of impermeable surface (the concrete foundation) from disrupting the flow of water on the hillside.  But they never created a new ordinance for radio towers for personal use.
73,
Steve
N6SJ

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From: TowerTalk <towertalk-bounces at contesting.com> On Behalf Of Wes Stewart via TowerTalk
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 Why do you need an ordinance?
Wes  N7WS

    On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 04:00:09 PM MST, Bob K6ZZ <bob.selbrede at gmail.com> wrote:

 Are there any good examples out there that a municipality could adopt/copy to create a reasonable ordnance for Ham Radio towers? My new QTH doesn?t have anything specific for Ham Radio but they do for commercial towers and Public Communications Services (PCS) towers. PCS is something specific in FCC parlance and shouldn?t be applied to Amateur Radio IMHO. I?m hoping to talk them into creating a simple reasonable ordinance based on successful application elsewhere.

Thanks, Bob K6ZZ
Sent from my iPhone
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