[TowerTalk] Emotator Rotator

[Jack Brindle]

You can make a non-polarized capacitor by connecting two polarized electrolytic back-to-back (negative ends together). As I recall, the overall capacitance will be half of the two caps.

73,
Jack, W6FB


> On Feb 10, 2024, at 11:43 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
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>> I managed to find about 14uF worth of non-polarised capacitors, so cobbled them all together and connected them across the CW and CCW
>> leads.
> That's probably not enough to be significant.
> 
> From an HVAC blog I found a formula for determining the value of a
> run capacitor (note the HVAC folks deal with much higher voltages
> and currents!).  The formula they give is: C(uF) = (2652 * I)/V
> where I is current through the capacitor and V voltage across the
> capacitor.
> 
> In both the Emotator and CDE/HyGain cases, the common motor current
> is about 2 A (1A in each winding) or about 1A through the cap (Hy-Gain
> is specified at 24VAC/2.25A).  Using the Hy-Gain numbers which are
> consistent with Emotator's 70 VA rating that works out to 125 uF.
> The 100 uF Emotator cap may be a bit undersized while the CDE/HyGain
> 130-156 uF cap may a bit closer to optimum.
> 
> I'd be strongly betting on a weak capacitor ... the trick will be to
> find an appropriate motor run capacitor that will fit in the Emotator
> case.
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 2/10/2024 11:47 AM, Roger Parsons via TowerTalk wrote:
>> Many thanks to Joe W4TV and Mike W4EF for their most helpful replies.
>> I managed to find about 14uF worth of non-polarised capacitors, so cobbled them all together and connected them across the CW and CCW leads. (I should point out that we are having unseasonably warm-ish weather at the moment so my tests are inconclusive!) The antenna rotates, but the phase difference is now about 120 degrees instead of 90. I think that implies that the original capacitor is still operational, but of course there are number of ways in which a capacitor can fail. If that failure is resistive leakage then the extra capacitance might not help. I am quite confident we will get some horribly cold weather quite soon and I can then repeat the test.
>> I did already have a copy of the instructions for the units, but not the marketing brochure which does contain some useful information. The schematics in the instructions are all wrong, certainly when compared to my unit: My transformer has two secondary windings - the tapped one for the motor drive and a separate one for the control/indication. Also, the transformer is clearly marked as 28V. I did purchase the equipment a long time ago when I was G3RBP so it is 240V 50Hz but I can't see that would make any difference except for a small phase change.
>> Anyway, thanks again for the help.
>> 73 Roger
>> VE3ZI
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