From PaulKB8N@aol.com Mon Oct 1 02:47:23 2001 From: PaulKB8N@aol.com (PaulKB8N@aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 21:47:23 EDT Subject: [TRLog] Cabrillo Format for Sprint Message-ID: <6f.1b715de8.28e9252b@aol.com> --part1_6f.1b715de8.28e9252b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please, flame away, but I don't know how to put my Sprint Log into Cabrillo format. Is there a Post function that does this? Sorry, I've participated in several Sprints recently, but haven't sent in a log for several years. Paul K5AF --part1_6f.1b715de8.28e9252b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please, flame away, but I don't know how to put my Sprint Log into Cabrillo format.  Is there a Post function that does this?  Sorry, I've participated in several Sprints recently, but haven't sent in a log for several years.

Paul K5AF --part1_6f.1b715de8.28e9252b_boundary-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From jackn2mpu@monmouth.com Mon Oct 1 14:12:37 2001 From: jackn2mpu@monmouth.com (Jack) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 09:12:37 -0400 Subject: [TRLog] Cabrillo Format for Sprint References: <6f.1b715de8.28e9252b@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BB86BC5.C365D559@monmouth.com> PaulKB8N@aol.com wrote: > > Please, flame away, but I don't know how to put my Sprint Log into > Cabrillo format. Is there a Post function that does this? Sorry, > I've participated in several Sprints recently, but haven't sent in a > log for several years. > > Paul K5AF Yes, there is a separate program with TR called, appropriately enough, POST. Haven't tried it for the Sprints, as I don't operate them. It will pretty much walk you through what you need to do. Having the manual is also helpful. The question remains, though, which Sprints are you talking about? The ARRL VHF/UHF ones, or others? Some other Sprint contests do not ask for Cabrillo format logs. -- de N2MPU Jack FN20 Modeling the NYC and NYNH&H in HO and CPRail and D&H in N Proud NRA member You can learn about rec.guns at http://doubletap.cs.umd.edu/rec.guns -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From PaulKB8N@aol.com Mon Oct 1 14:44:17 2001 From: PaulKB8N@aol.com (PaulKB8N@aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:44:17 EDT Subject: [TRLog] "Ya Dumb Cheesehead"...was Cabrillo Format for Sprint Message-ID: Thanks to all who responded my question on converting my Sprint log into Cabrillo format. I hadn't looked at the POST function in a long time, didn't realize it was there. OK, so I didn't figure it out for myself, but what really hurt was my Wisconsin high school buddy, Ron, WA9IRV, who I encouraged to use TRLog a few years back, to refer to me as "Ya Dumb Cheesehead." OUCH!!!! Paul Schaffenberger, K5AF -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From kharker@cs.utexas.edu Mon Oct 1 15:07:28 2001 From: kharker@cs.utexas.edu (Kenneth E. Harker) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:07:28 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] Cabrillo Format for Sprint In-Reply-To: <3BB86BC5.C365D559@monmouth.com>; from Jack on Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 09:12:37AM -0400 References: <6f.1b715de8.28e9252b@aol.com> <3BB86BC5.C365D559@monmouth.com> Message-ID: <20011001090728.A25424@cs.utexas.edu> On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 09:12:37AM -0400, Jack wrote: > The question remains, though, which Sprints are you talking about? The > ARRL VHF/UHF ones, or others? Some other Sprint contests do not ask for > Cabrillo format logs. As a side-note, there are no ARRL VHF/UHF Sprints any more. The League ceased sponsoring them several years ago for lack of activity. There continue to be VHF/UHF sprints, on those same week-nights, but they are now sponsored by the East Tennessee DX Association, and activity has continued to fall for all but the 222 MHz Sprint (which has only managed to remain steady.) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth E. Harker "Vox Clamantis in Deserto" kharker@cs.utexas.edu University of Texas at Austin Amateur Radio Callsign: WM5R Department of the Computer Sciences President, UT Amateur Radio Club Taylor Hall TAY 2.124 Maintainer of Linux on Laptops Austin, TX 78712-1188 USA http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From tree@kkn.net Mon Oct 1 21:48:47 2001 From: tree@kkn.net (Tree N6TR) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:48:47 -0700 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <200110012048.NAA05467@loja.kkn.net> approved: wa6tut Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 22:41:39 +0200 From: DL7AOS@t-online.de (Stefan Hein) Reply-To: stefan.hein@gmx.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en]C-DT (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TRLog@contesting.com Subject: Interfacing TEN-TEC OMNI VI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 07121576649-0001@t-dialin.net Hi to all, I'm having problems interfacing TRLog to an TEN-TEC OMNI VI using the following configuration: RADIO ONE TYPE = IC735 RADIO ONE CONTROL PORT = SERIAL 2 RADIO ONE NAME = OMNI RADIO ONE BAUD RATE = 1200 RECEIVER ADDRESS = 04 I've checked that the OMNI VI is running 1200 baud and is on address 04, serial port is no. 2 and cable is also ok. What else could I have missed?? Thanks for any help Stefan, DL7AOS -- ******************************************************************************** Dr.-Ing. Stefan Hein Malteserstr. 27 72770 Reutlingen, Germany Phone: +49-7121-57 66 49 mailto: Stefan.Hein3@de.bosch.com Ham: DL7AOS ******************************************************************************** -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From georgec@reachone.com Tue Oct 2 05:39:14 2001 From: georgec@reachone.com (George Claussen) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:39:14 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] ICOM Emulation References: <200110012048.NAA05467@loja.kkn.net> Message-ID: <000b01c14afc$30e03aa0$71c36ccf@com> Stefan, Since the best way to control the TenTec Omni is by pretending it is an Icom, I believe the "Radio One Type" must be the same brand as the "Radio One Name"; as follows: "RADIO ONE TYPE = IC735" "RADIO ONE NAME = ICOM" ((All else as you had indicated)) 73, George, N7GC -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From kg5u@hal-pc.org Tue Oct 2 05:46:22 2001 From: kg5u@hal-pc.org (Dale L Martin) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 23:46:22 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] RE: Omni VI Setup In-Reply-To: <200110012048.NAA05467@loja.kkn.net> Message-ID: > Hi to all, > > I'm having problems interfacing TRLog to an TEN-TEC OMNI VI using the > following configuration: > > RADIO ONE TYPE = IC735 > RADIO ONE CONTROL PORT = SERIAL 2 > RADIO ONE NAME = OMNI > RADIO ONE BAUD RATE = 1200 > RECEIVER ADDRESS = 04 > > I've checked that the OMNI VI is running 1200 baud and is on address 04, > serial port is no. 2 and cable is also ok. What else could I have > missed?? > > Thanks for any help > > Stefan, DL7AOS > I can't see anything wrong and I have two Omni VI's. You HAVE tried 2400 baud, right? Here's a piece of my .cfg: Radio one control port = serial 1 Radio one baud rate = 2400 Radio one name = Radio 1 Radio one type = ic735 Radio two control port = serial 2 Radio two baud rate = 2400 Radio two name = Radio 2 Radio two type = ic735 I suggest you go back to your serial cable. If you are using a db25 to db25 cable, make sure your using this wiring config: Omni PC pin pin 2 2 3 3 7 7 The following pin listing is very important. Some versions of the Omni VI manual db25 to db9 cable wiring diagram were wrong! db25 to db9 Omni PC pin pin 2 3 3 2 7 5 Good luck and 73, dale, kg5u -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From jan.fisher@virgin.net Tue Oct 2 06:34:38 2001 From: jan.fisher@virgin.net (Jan Fisher) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 06:34:38 +0100 Subject: [TRLog] RE: Omni VI Setup Message-ID: <000601c14b03$f263dae0$983287d9@fish-02> I seem to remember you having to set the CDE parameter to "off" in the radio menu. Jan G0iVZ -----Original Message----- From: Dale L Martin To: TRLog Reflector Date: 02 October 2001 05:47 Subject: [TRLog] RE: Omni VI Setup > > >> Hi to all, >> >> I'm having problems interfacing TRLog to an TEN-TEC OMNI VI using the >> following configuration: >> >> RADIO ONE TYPE = IC735 >> RADIO ONE CONTROL PORT = SERIAL 2 >> RADIO ONE NAME = OMNI >> RADIO ONE BAUD RATE = 1200 >> RECEIVER ADDRESS = 04 >> >> I've checked that the OMNI VI is running 1200 baud and is on address 04, >> serial port is no. 2 and cable is also ok. What else could I have >> missed?? >> >> Thanks for any help >> >> Stefan, DL7AOS >> > > >I can't see anything wrong and I have two Omni VI's. > >You HAVE tried 2400 baud, right? > >Here's a piece of my .cfg: > >Radio one control port = serial 1 >Radio one baud rate = 2400 >Radio one name = Radio 1 >Radio one type = ic735 > >Radio two control port = serial 2 >Radio two baud rate = 2400 >Radio two name = Radio 2 >Radio two type = ic735 > >I suggest you go back to your serial cable. > >If you are using a db25 to db25 cable, make sure your using this wiring >config: >Omni PC >pin pin >2 2 >3 3 >7 7 > >The following pin listing is very important. Some versions of the Omni VI >manual db25 to db9 cable wiring diagram were wrong! > >db25 to db9 >Omni PC >pin pin >2 3 >3 2 >7 5 > >Good luck and 73, >dale, kg5u > > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog >Submissions: trlog@contesting.com >Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com >Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From kg5u@hal-pc.org Tue Oct 2 08:08:03 2001 From: kg5u@hal-pc.org (Dale L Martin) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 02:08:03 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] RE: Omni VI Setup In-Reply-To: <000601c14b03$f263dae0$983287d9@fish-02> Message-ID: Good point, Jan. Mine CDE parameters are off. George, Radio Name has nothing at all with the radio control. It's for a tag on the screen to tell you what radio you are on and/or to identify in the log which radio made what QSO. Look at my cfg I sent earlier, I just name my radios Radio 1 and Radio 2. I could just as easily called them Sam and Dave or Bert and Ernie. dale kg5u > > I seem to remember you having to set the CDE parameter to "off" > in the radio > menu. > > Jan > G0iVZ > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From rrossi@btv.ibm.com Tue Oct 2 17:22:39 2001 From: rrossi@btv.ibm.com (Ron D. Rossi) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:22:39 -0400 Subject: [TRLog] RE: Omni VI Setup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200110021622.MAA27308@johnpaul.btv.ibm.com> >>>"Dale L Martin" said: > > > Good point, Jan. Mine CDE parameters are off. > > George, > Radio Name has nothing at all with the radio control. It's for a tag on the > screen to tell you what radio you are on and/or to identify in the log which > radio made what QSO. Look at my cfg I sent earlier, I just name my radios > Radio 1 and Radio 2. I could just as easily called them Sam and Dave or > Bert and Ernie. or "<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>" -- 73 es God Bless de KK1L...ron (kk1l@arrl.net) <>< QTH: Jericho, Vermont My page: http://www.qsl.net/kk1l -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From kl7ra@blizzard.gcgo.nasa.gov Wed Oct 3 22:09:33 2001 From: kl7ra@blizzard.gcgo.nasa.gov (kl7ra) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:09:33 -0800 Subject: [TRLog] mults in bandmap Message-ID: <00c301c14c4f$b42d9ca0$02f446c0@snowfall.gcgo.nasa.gov> Tree Now that: - Improved responsiveness of footswitch for non PTT commands was fixed in 6.58 I wonder if we could move Chas, K3WW, suggestion on the wish list (114) up the pile. I would like to see the bandmap have a switch for All, no dupes, mults only, etc. It also would be nice to add "goto next mult" to the foot switch software rotary. This may not be to useful for some but as a 99% run station it would be slick to see the bandmap shrink to nothing by Sunday. I also like his idea where the bandmap would flash any non-displayed spots when dialed in saving time during s/p. As I recall the bandmap required a major rewrite a few years ago so this may not be trivial programming. I gave a tour of the station to the local club few weeks ago and the bandmap/packet spots/general qso/frequency control of radio was the main attraction to TRLog for the non-contesters. 73 Rich KL7RA -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From kl7ra@blizzard.gcgo.nasa.gov Thu Oct 4 20:40:02 2001 From: kl7ra@blizzard.gcgo.nasa.gov (kl7ra) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:40:02 -0800 Subject: [TRLog] footswitch and next bandmap Message-ID: <000101c14d0c$5d6c27c0$02f446c0@snowfall.gcgo.nasa.gov> Someone please double check me but "next bandmap" option for the foot switch doesn't work. I'm using 6.58 and checked 6.54 with no luck. All other foot switch features work. I will go back in the update notes and see where we lost this, I'm pretty sure it worked at one time. Most of the ops prefer VOX and I was thinking of using the foot switch for something useful in a SSB contest. This is the kind of things you think about when the station is 100% ready for the big one. How about this for a feature: Cycling cq's when you see a happy face pop up in the band map. Push footswitch which dumps you to s/p and loads the bandmap entry. 73 Rich KL7RA -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From feutz@wctc.net Mon Oct 8 04:20:58 2001 From: feutz@wctc.net (Ron Feutz) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:20:58 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] 6.59 Manual Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011007221942.00a14710@pop3.norton.antivirus> When I click the link on the TR home page to download the 6.59 manual, nothing happens. Ron - WA9IRV -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From feutz@wctc.net Mon Oct 8 04:43:52 2001 From: feutz@wctc.net (Ron Feutz) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:43:52 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] 6.59 manual download Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011007224208.00a215e0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Never mind. I tried it again after I sent the last e-mail and it worked just fine. Ron - WA9IRV -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From oe3zk@aon.at Wed Oct 10 19:00:04 2001 From: oe3zk@aon.at (Gerhard Kmet) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:00:04 +0200 Subject: [TRLog] Newbie to SO2R Message-ID: <000d01c151b5$66d8cfe0$4e002e3e@kmet1> Hello! I just got a TOP TEN SO2R controller for my two Kenwood Radios (TS940 + TS870). Works fine with manual control. Trying to get it to work PC controlled with TRLog Version 6.59 now. No luck so far. Has someone a sample LOGCFG.DAT file for my better understanding?? Gerhard, OE3ZK E-Mail: oe3zk@aon.at Web: http://www.kmet.at Mobiltel: +43 664 2342708 Voice-Mail: +43 1 546800052 Fax-Mail: +43 1 546800001 -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From oe3zk@aon.at Thu Oct 11 11:45:27 2001 From: oe3zk@aon.at (Gerhard Kmet) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:45:27 +0200 Subject: [TRLog] SO2R with DXD working now! Message-ID: <003b01c15241$d984de80$6b50b7d4@kmet1> Thanks to all the good hints I got from you guys - SO2R is working now with my new DXD switchbox. RELAY CONTROL PORT = 1 solved my specific problem. The only problem I still deal with is that my PCI I/O Card for additional COM Ports does not work with TRLog. Although it works fine with other windows programs 73 Gerhard, OE3ZK E-Mail: oe3zk@aon.at Web: http://www.kmet.at -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From kharker@cs.utexas.edu Thu Oct 11 15:38:39 2001 From: kharker@cs.utexas.edu (Kenneth E. Harker) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:38:39 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] SO2R with DXD working now! In-Reply-To: <003b01c15241$d984de80$6b50b7d4@kmet1>; from Gerhard Kmet on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 12:45:27PM +0200 References: <003b01c15241$d984de80$6b50b7d4@kmet1> Message-ID: <20011011093839.A18077@cs.utexas.edu> On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 12:45:27PM +0200, Gerhard Kmet wrote: > > Thanks to all the good hints I got from you guys - SO2R is working now with > my new DXD switchbox. > > RELAY CONTROL PORT = 1 > > solved my specific problem. > > The only problem I still deal with is that my PCI I/O Card for additional > COM Ports does not work with TRLog. Although it works fine with other > windows programs I don't believe that DOS understands the PCI bus. You probably need an ISA multi I/O card. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth E. Harker "Vox Clamantis in Deserto" kharker@cs.utexas.edu University of Texas at Austin Amateur Radio Callsign: WM5R Department of the Computer Sciences President, UT Amateur Radio Club Taylor Hall TAY 2.124 Maintainer of Linux on Laptops Austin, TX 78712-1188 USA http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From kb2hun@wizvax.net Thu Oct 11 16:20:54 2001 From: kb2hun@wizvax.net (William R Liporace NA2NA) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TRLog] SO2R with DXD working now! In-Reply-To: <20011011093839.A18077@cs.utexas.edu> Message-ID: PCI cards do work with DOS, the problem is either a driver or IRQ conlict. The manufacturer's web site should be of some help. If it is a plug and play device, it may have trouble with getting or resolving IRQ addresses. GL Will On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Kenneth E. Harker wrote: # #On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 12:45:27PM +0200, Gerhard Kmet wrote: #> #> Thanks to all the good hints I got from you guys - SO2R is working now with #> my new DXD switchbox. #> #> RELAY CONTROL PORT = 1 #> #> solved my specific problem. #> #> The only problem I still deal with is that my PCI I/O Card for additional #> COM Ports does not work with TRLog. Although it works fine with other #> windows programs # #I don't believe that DOS understands the PCI bus. You probably need an ISA #multi I/O card. # #-- #---------------------------------------------------------------------------- #Kenneth E. Harker "Vox Clamantis in Deserto" kharker@cs.utexas.edu #University of Texas at Austin Amateur Radio Callsign: WM5R #Department of the Computer Sciences President, UT Amateur Radio Club #Taylor Hall TAY 2.124 Maintainer of Linux on Laptops #Austin, TX 78712-1188 USA http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/ #---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # #-- #FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog #Submissions: trlog@contesting.com #Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com #Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com #Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html # # William Liporace NA2NA na2na@wizvax.net 763 Huntingdon Drive NA2NA @ K2TR (yccc packet cluster) Niskayuna, NY 12309 wliporac@courts.state.ny.us 518-346-3804 home 518-473-9924 work -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From matt@qrq.com Fri Oct 12 03:25:57 2001 From: matt@qrq.com (Matthew George) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:25:57 -0600 Subject: [TRLog] Using PCI Serial Cards with TRLog (Yes you can!) Message-ID: <003701c152c5$39d3c7a0$020a0a0a@home.com> Below is a post I made to the list back in April of 1999. I wrote a DOS utility in C that will let you use non-standard I/O addresses with TRLog. It basically rewrites (temporarily) the memory address where the 4 standard serial port I/O addresses are. The PCI serial card I bought back in 1999 Byterunner PCI-800(8 ports) works just fine with TRLog... so I have to chuckle every time I see a TRLog post that claims you can't use PCI serial cards with TRLog. ;) The message is below and the link to download the utility is still good. Read the instructions carefully. It has worked really well for me. Let me know if it works out for you... I get pretty busy, so it's tough to spend large amounts of time figuring out if the utility will work with every XYZ PCI/ISA multi serial port card in the world... Best Regards de NG7M If anyone is interested, I have created a DOS utility program which allows you to changes the Serial Base I/O addresses that TRLog uses for Serial Ports 1 - 4. Q. Why would I need this utility? A. If you have a Mutli Port PCI/ISA Serial card that uses non-standard Serial Base I/O ports, and you want to configure TRLog to use the ports on one of these cards, this little utility will allow you to use your serial card with TRLog. If you are interested in my experience with a PCI 8 Port Serial card and TRLog, keep reading... if you are not interested, don't waste your time with the rest of this message. ;) I currently have 10 serial ports in my PC and I can use every single one of them at the same time with no interrupt conflicts. (BTW, TRLog does not use interrupts as most of you know). I have two standard serial ports built into my mother board: Serial Port 1 using interrupt 4 and Base I/O 3f8 (standard config) Serial Port 2 using interrupt 3 and Base I/O 2f8 (standard config) The next 8 serial ports are on a VSCom PCI Controller, model PCI-800. This card can be purchased for $179.00 (US) at http://www.byterunnder.com This card uses and shares one interrupt across all 8 ports. It works really well in Windows 98 (on my system) and in DOS. There are drivers for Windows NT and Linux too (I haven't tried the card in Windows NT or Linux however). The card comes with an octopus cable that fans out to 8 DB25 male connectors, each connector is about 3 feet long and I was pleasantly surprised at the quality of the card and cable. I know there are other cards that will do the same thing, but this is the one that worked for me. I supply the above information with obviously no benefit to me. When I got ready to try the ports on the PCI-800 with TRLog, I quickly found out that TRLog reads the I/O addresses for Serial Ports 1 - 4 from the BIOS of the computer... this posed a problem for my new PCI-800 card. The PCI-800 uses non-standard I/O ports for each port. For example, on my machine the card is using dc00 for the first port and dc10 for the second port etc... TRLog sees Serial Port 1 at address 3f8, setcomm will make TRLog see what ever address you want for Serial Ports 1,2,3 and 4. After I run setcomm, TRLog will see dc00 as the I/O address for Serial Port 1, etc... The only way to get TRLog to use these ports was to go into debug and modify the memory addresses for the serial port addresses. This was a major pain, so I decided to write a little utility to do the work for me... setcomm was born! :) I programmed this utility in a few hours a couple days ago and I thought I would share it with everyone in case someone else has the same card or has run into this problem with another multi port serial card. This is NOT a TSR utility, it just temporarily changes/rewrites the I/O port address in memory. After you reboot, the addresses will get set back to normal. The utility is called setcomm.exe and you can download it from: ftp://nc7j.qrq.com/trlog/SETCOMM.EXE SETCOMM.EXE has a usage help screen and it should be obvious how to use it once you have downloaded it. It basically will change the I/O addresses that TRLog sees for serial ports 1 - 4 (temporarily). This card has solved all the serial port problems that I have ever had... I have one card now that can supply up to 6 serial ports to TRLog (ports 5 and 6 in TRLog allow you to specify non-standard I/O addresses). No interrupts are used, and it only uses one PCI slot in my PC. I can also mix and match my standard serial ports on my motherboard... it really has been the 'golden ring' of serial cards.... your mileage may vary! :) Anyway, I hope someone finds this utility useful with the multi port serial cards that are out there... If you have any questions, let me know. mg NG7M -- Matthew George mailto:matt@qrq.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From KZ5D@aol.com Sat Oct 13 01:15:19 2001 From: KZ5D@aol.com (KZ5D@aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:15:19 EDT Subject: [TRLog] USB ports & TR Message-ID: <150.268a066.28f8e197@aol.com> My trusty old Pentium 1 computer took a lightning hit. Trying to replace it with something new that will work with TR and SO2R. So I think I need 2 serial ports for each radio, right? The new stuff I've seen on the market all have 1 serial port, 1 LPT, and 2 or more USB ports. Has anyone used the USB ports with some sort of converter with TR and a MP Mark V? All suggestions and assistance will be greatly appreciated. 73, Art KZ5D -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From punkymcd@pacbell.net Sat Oct 13 01:39:24 2001 From: punkymcd@pacbell.net (punkymcd@pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:39:24 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] Logging DX stations in CQP Message-ID: <3BC78D3C.5B084949@postoffice.pacbell.net> Jeez, When in gods name is TRlog going to resolve the DX logging problem. If the other logging programs can do it why can't TRlog? Don, W6OA/N6A Alpine county -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From n4zr@contesting.com Sat Oct 13 02:38:42 2001 From: n4zr@contesting.com (Pete Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:38:42 -0400 Subject: [TRLog] USB ports & TR In-Reply-To: <150.268a066.28f8e197@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011012213842.00796ba0@pop.abs.adelphia.net> At 08:15 PM 10/12/01 EDT, KZ5D@aol.com wrote: > >My trusty old Pentium 1 computer took a lightning hit. Trying to replace it >with something new that will work with TR and SO2R. So I think I need 2 >serial ports for each radio, right? > >The new stuff I've seen on the market all have 1 serial port, 1 LPT, and 2 or >more USB ports. > >Has anyone used the USB ports with some sort of converter with TR and a MP >Mark V? For SO2R, the minimum configuration seems to be 2 serial ports (for radio control) and one LPT port (for the SO2R box). Rather than deal with the imponderable of the USB hub, why not spend a few bux (about the same) for an add-in PCI serial port card? 73, Pete N4ZR -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From Dick Frey" In checking the KS6U CQP log right after the contest, POST did not report any dupes. Later, on another computer using v 6.42, POST found and marked four dupes plus suggesting four possible portable dupes. Something wrong here? dick k4xu -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From punkymcd@pacbell.net Sat Oct 13 05:36:41 2001 From: punkymcd@pacbell.net (punkymcd@pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:36:41 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] Logging DX stations in CQP Message-ID: <3BC7C4D9.64B5EADA@postoffice.pacbell.net> Tree, The following is an excerpt from the CQP rules: EXCHANGE: California stations send QSO number and county. Stations outside of California send QSO number and U.S. State, ARRL Canadian section, or Country. Note that California stations working other California stations must log the complete exchange, including county even though they all count as the 'CA' multiplier. Entries with incomplete or improperly logged QSOs will be subject to penalties or disqualification. End excerpt: As you can see the rules require the country name to be entered. When a DX station is worked with TRlog the country name appears on the screen but will not let you enter anything or even enter it automatically into the log. As long as I've been involved in CQP and using TRlog this has been a problem. 73, Don, W6OA -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From punkymcd@pacbell.net Fri Oct 12 16:20:03 2001 From: punkymcd@pacbell.net (punkymcd@pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 08:20:03 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] S/P and Shift/Tab Message-ID: <3BC70A23.2E8847E3@postoffice.pacbell.net> I'd like to keep the left right shift key frequency shift feature active when in search and pounce mode but the Shift/Tab to exit as noted on the bottom line of the screen causes the radio to shift frequency. Maybe beating a dead horse. Esc is the alternative I know but.... Don, W6OA/N6A-CQP Alpine County -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From punkymcd@pacbell.net Sat Oct 13 15:20:35 2001 From: punkymcd@pacbell.net (punkymcd@pacbell.net) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 07:20:35 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] Re: Logging DX stations in CQP References: <200110130442.VAA13783@loja.kkn.net> Message-ID: <3BC84DB3.375549FE@postoffice.pacbell.net> Tree, How does CT for instance take care of the proplem. I understand that OK for Oklahoma and OK for Czech Republic are the same but somehow it is taken care of. Ok and OK for instance are different in letter case. QSO's aren't removed because the contest committees haven't the heart to disqualify a QSO because of one program's shortcoming. Just because a Q hasn't been removed doesn't mean there isn't a problem. Don, W6OA Tree N6TR wrote: > > Hmm - well, I haven't ever seen a QSO removed for this. > > It is very hard for TR to put DX entries in there without counting > them as possible mults. > > Tree -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From k6xx@arrl.net Sat Oct 13 17:02:14 2001 From: k6xx@arrl.net (Bob Wolbert, K6XX) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 09:02:14 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] Re: Logging DX stations in CQP In-Reply-To: <3BC84DB3.375549FE@postoffice.pacbell.net> Message-ID: <005201c15400$6ccb98e0$99c6efd1@26k-notebook> Folks, This IS a serious problem for California stations running TR-Log in CQP. My log WAS disqualified last year due to excessive DX QSOs without having the proper country identifier. You won't find me listed in the results at all... and I was president of the sponsoring club(!) at the time. Tree, PLEASE find a suitable method of entering sections of non-multiplier QSOs real-time. Here's one actual scenario: Worked AH8I, who was in Alaska. He was not signing /KL7. The first time he represented a multiplier, and the program took the information fine. The second time, I entered his exchange (# + AK), but the program cleared it out--no QTH information was left in the exchange field. After the contest, when I was filling in all the blank spaces with QTH info, I couldn't remember his QTH--but certainly didn't remember working a south Pacific station. Fortunately, I had worked him previously and had the information stored (just a lucky find with 2100 QSOs in the log...). Don't say I should have entered a note in the log--I was running quickly and know I entered the information properly. There was no time for a note, either ^N or on paper. This is a program bug. The CQP committee had conversations with Tree about this a couple of years ago, and gave a one-year "grace period". That grace period expired before last year's contest. By the way, the method I used to enter a DX QTH is the standard prefix plus a number. For example: OK1. Oklahoma is "Ok", so this provides some differentiation. 73 de Bob, K6XX k6xx@arrl.net www.k6xx.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-trlog@contesting.com [mailto:owner-trlog@contesting.com]On Behalf Of punkymcd@postoffice.pacbell.net Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 7:21 AM To: Tree N6TR Cc: trlog@contesting.com; ad6e@aol.com Subject: [TRLog] Re: Logging DX stations in CQP Tree, How does CT for instance take care of the proplem. I understand that OK for Oklahoma and OK for Czech Republic are the same but somehow it is taken care of. Ok and OK for instance are different in letter case. QSO's aren't removed because the contest committees haven't the heart to disqualify a QSO because of one program's shortcoming. Just because a Q hasn't been removed doesn't mean there isn't a problem. Don, W6OA Tree N6TR wrote: > > Hmm - well, I haven't ever seen a QSO removed for this. > > It is very hard for TR to put DX entries in there without counting > them as possible mults. > > Tree -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From k6acz@earthlink.net Sat Oct 13 20:48:46 2001 From: k6acz@earthlink.net (Alan C. Zack) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:48:46 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] Re: Logging DX stations in CQP References: <005201c15400$6ccb98e0$99c6efd1@26k-notebook> Message-ID: <3BC89A9E.2E55B8AB@earthlink.net> Please correct me if I am wrong (and I may be) but I use CT. In CT it logs the mult (state) the first time you log it on any band. But then if you work them again on another band it does not count as a mult since you already worked them on another band, and so the mult field remains blank. If this is NOT correct then I have a lot of fixing to do. As for DX, CT excepts only certain prefix indicators for each country. Example, I worked a German station with a DJ prefix. But CT wouldn't except DJ, only DL. Sorry I can't help you with the OKLA versus OK1 example. I would suspect if you logged it as OK it would be treated as OKLA, but am not sure. GL and 73 73 "Bob Wolbert, K6XX" wrote: > > Folks, > > This IS a serious problem for California stations running TR-Log in CQP. My > log WAS disqualified last year due to excessive DX QSOs without having the > proper country identifier. You won't find me listed in the results at all... > and I was president of the sponsoring club(!) at the time. > > Tree, PLEASE find a suitable method of entering sections of non-multiplier > QSOs real-time. > > Here's one actual scenario: > > Worked AH8I, who was in Alaska. He was not signing /KL7. The first time he > represented a multiplier, and the program took the information fine. The > second time, I entered his exchange (# + AK), but the program cleared it > out--no QTH information was left in the exchange field. After the contest, > when I was filling in all the blank spaces with QTH info, I couldn't > remember his QTH--but certainly didn't remember working a south Pacific > station. Fortunately, I had worked him previously and had the information > stored (just a lucky find with 2100 QSOs in the log...). > > Don't say I should have entered a note in the log--I was running quickly and > know I entered the information properly. There was no time for a note, > either ^N or on paper. This is a program bug. > > The CQP committee had conversations with Tree about this a couple of years > ago, and gave a one-year "grace period". That grace period expired before > last year's contest. > > By the way, the method I used to enter a DX QTH is the standard prefix plus > a number. For example: OK1. Oklahoma is "Ok", so this provides some > differentiation. > > 73 de Bob, K6XX > k6xx@arrl.net > www.k6xx.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-trlog@contesting.com [mailto:owner-trlog@contesting.com]On > Behalf Of punkymcd@postoffice.pacbell.net > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 7:21 AM > To: Tree N6TR > Cc: trlog@contesting.com; ad6e@aol.com > Subject: [TRLog] Re: Logging DX stations in CQP > > Tree, > > How does CT for instance take care of the proplem. I understand that OK > for Oklahoma and OK for Czech Republic are the same but somehow it is > taken care of. Ok and OK for instance are different in letter case. > > QSO's aren't removed because the contest committees haven't the heart to > disqualify a QSO because of one program's shortcoming. Just because a Q > hasn't been removed doesn't mean there isn't a problem. > > Don, W6OA > > Tree N6TR wrote: > > > > Hmm - well, I haven't ever seen a QSO removed for this. > > > > It is very hard for TR to put DX entries in there without counting > > them as possible mults. > > > > Tree > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog > Submissions: trlog@contesting.com > Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com > Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html -- __________________________________________________________________________ Amateur Radio Station K6ACZ Anaheim, Southern California, USA Quality Engineer, The Boeing Company, Retired Aviation Chief Warrant Officer, U.S. Coast Guard, Retired U.S. Coast Guard, Always Ready, Always There Every hour, Every day, Around the Clock and Around the World SEMPER PARATUS -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From tree@kkn.net Sat Oct 13 22:55:17 2001 From: tree@kkn.net (Tree N6TR) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 14:55:17 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] Re: Logging DX stations in CQP Message-ID: <200110132155.OAA18179@loja.kkn.net> > This IS a serious problem for California stations running TR-Log in CQP. My > log WAS disqualified last year due to excessive DX QSOs without having the > proper country identifier. You won't find me listed in the results at all... > and I was president of the sponsoring club(!) at the time. I find this very discouraging. At no time was I aware anything like this was happening. At no time did anyone tell me that the situation had changed. Requiring someone to enter the prefix of a DX country is pretty trivial - as there really isn't any more information than there already is with the callsign. To DQ stations for this is unresponsible. If I HAVE to fix this, I guess I will find a way, but first, I have to understand if a political solution isn't possible. Tree -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From k6ll@juno.com Sat Oct 13 17:45:01 2001 From: k6ll@juno.com (David O Hachadorian) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:45:01 +0000 Subject: [TRLog] Re: Logging DX stations in CQP Message-ID: <20011013.164515.-16682255.0.k6ll@juno.com> I've won the cqp three times now, including last year, and have never gone back through the log to enter dx prefixes. I've already sent in this year's log, and didn't enter dx prefixes there either. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL (opr. K6NA for CQP) Yuma, AZ K6LL@juno.com On Sat, 13 Oct 2001 14:55:17 -0700 Tree N6TR writes: > > > This IS a serious problem for California stations running TR-Log > in CQP. My > > log WAS disqualified last year due to excessive DX QSOs without > having the > > proper country identifier. You won't find me listed in the results > at all... > > and I was president of the sponsoring club(!) at the time. > > I find this very discouraging. > > At no time was I aware anything like this was happening. > > At no time did anyone tell me that the situation had changed. > > Requiring someone to enter the prefix of a DX country is pretty > trivial - as there really isn't any more information than there > already is with the callsign. > > To DQ stations for this is unresponsible. > > If I HAVE to fix this, I guess I will find a way, but first, I have > to understand if a political solution isn't possible. > > Tree > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog > Submissions: trlog@contesting.com > Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com > Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From k6acz@earthlink.net Sun Oct 14 03:07:16 2001 From: k6acz@earthlink.net (Alan C. Zack) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:07:16 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] Re: Logging DX stations in CQP References: Message-ID: <3BC8F354.CECCEF67@earthlink.net> Hi Al, I may be confused with the terminology but on pages 80 and 81 of the version 9 CT User's Manual, under CA QSO Party, it states (in part): "The logging line lists your QSO S/N, Band, Time, Called Station's Call Sign, His S/N, State or Province, Mode, Multiplier." As an example: 1 20 2001 W5T 25 TX TX In the above example my first contact of the contest was on 20 mtrs at 2001Z with W5T. W5T gave me his S/N of 25 and his state as Texas. When I hit return to log the contact CT filled in TX in the Multiplier column as a new mult for me. I do not make any entry in this column, CT does it for me when I hit enter. Let's say the op at W5T on 20 asks me if I can go to 15 and work them there. So I QSY to 15 and work them again for my second QSO of the contest. My log example: 2 15 2003 W5T 26 TX __ When I hit return the multiplier column is left blank by CT. It is my understanding that this is because once you work a state or province on any band it no longer counts as a new multiplier. This is how CT logged my contacts during the contest. As I entered each call sign I heard, I would get a little prompt of "Needed call" or "New Multiplier" or the dreaded "DUPE" as I hit tab to check for dupes and partials before calling the station (I was S&P mostly) to work him. The CT manual calls it a multiplier for the very first time you enter a state or province, otherwise it leaves that column blank when you work that state or province a second, third, fourth, etc, time on any new band. If this is wrong please let me know as I have a serious problem in my score. 73 AD6E@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Alan, > > The QTH field in your log is just that, a QTH field. It is not a MULT field. > To my mind, leaving it blank simply means you didn't copy it (even if it may > be obvious from the call). If you work VY1JA would you leave the QTH blank > because everyone knows the QTH anyway? I don't think so. Same reasoning goes > with working G3ABC and not logging UK (or G3). > > 73, Al AD6E > > In a message dated 10/13/01 19:49:38 Greenwich Standard Time, > k6acz@earthlink.net writes: > > << Please correct me if I am wrong (and I may be) but I use CT. In CT it logs > the mult (state) the first time you log it on any band. But then if you work > them again on another band it does not count as a mult since you already > worked them on another band, and so the mult field remains blank. > If this is NOT correct then I have a lot of fixing to do. > As for DX, CT accepts only certain prefix indicators for each country. > Example, I worked a German station with a DJ prefix. But CT wouldn't except > DJ, only DL. Sorry I can't help you with the OKLA versus OK1 example. I > would suspect if you logged it as OK it would be treated as OKLA, but am not > sure. > GL and 73 > 73 > >> -- __________________________________________________________________________ Amateur Radio Station K6ACZ Anaheim, Southern California, USA Quality Engineer, The Boeing Company, Retired Aviation Chief Warrant Officer, U.S. Coast Guard, Retired U.S. Coast Guard, Always Ready, Always There Every hour, Every day, Around the Clock and Around the World SEMPER PARATUS -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From G8OO@aol.com Sun Oct 14 11:35:43 2001 From: G8OO@aol.com (G8OO@aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 06:35:43 EDT Subject: [TRLog] TRlog Network Packet problems de G8OO Message-ID: --part1_c.1c99b7c6.28fac47f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sunday 14-Oct 01 Time 10:35Gmt Hi Larry I am setting up TR for multi opp use and have run into a strange packet problems using two PC with 2 serial ports on each with a very simple .cfg's My problems are as follows:- CTRL-U will not work on PC-1 with the rig connected. CTRL-U works great on PC-2 but has not got a rig connected. PC 1 & 2 sees all packet over the network with out any problems, I can also send instructions to the TNC from both PC's Below are my simple test.cfg PC-1 MY CALL = G8OO CONTEST = CQ WW DISPLAY MODE = COLOR COMPUTER ID = B ; PACKET SETUP PACKET PORT = SERIAL 2 EIGHT BIT PACKET PORT = TRUE PACKET ADD LF = TRUE PACKET AUTO CR = TRUE PACKET BAUD RATE = 4800 PACKET BAND SPOTS = FALSE PACKET SPOTS = ALL PACKET LOG FILENAME = PACKET.TXT PACKET BEEP = TRUE MULTI PORT = SERIAL 1 PC-2 MY CALL = G8OO CONTEST = CQ WW DISPLAY MODE = COLOR COMPUTER ID = B ; PACKET SETUP ;PACKET PORT = SERIAL 2 EIGHT BIT PACKET PORT = TRUE PACKET ADD LF = TRUE PACKET AUTO CR = TRUE PACKET BAUD RATE = 4800 PACKET BAND SPOTS = FALSE PACKET SPOTS = ALL PACKET LOG FILENAME = PACKET.TXT PACKET BEEP = TRUE MULTI PORT = SERIAL 1 --part1_c.1c99b7c6.28fac47f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sunday 14-Oct 01  Time 10:35Gmt

Hi Larry

I am setting up TR for multi opp use and have run into a strange packet problems using two PC with 2 serial ports on each with a very simple .cfg's

My problems are as follows:-

CTRL-U will not work on PC-1 with the rig connected.

CTRL-U works great on PC-2  but has not got a rig connected.

PC 1 & 2 sees all packet over the network with out any problems, I can also send instructions to the TNC from both PC's

Below are my simple test.cfg

PC-1
MY CALL = G8OO
CONTEST = CQ WW
DISPLAY MODE = COLOR
COMPUTER ID = B

;       PACKET SETUP
PACKET PORT = SERIAL 2
EIGHT BIT PACKET PORT = TRUE
PACKET ADD LF = TRUE
PACKET AUTO CR = TRUE
PACKET BAUD RATE = 4800
PACKET BAND SPOTS = FALSE
PACKET SPOTS = ALL
PACKET LOG FILENAME = PACKET.TXT
PACKET BEEP = TRUE
MULTI PORT = SERIAL 1


PC-2
MY CALL = G8OO
CONTEST = CQ WW
DISPLAY MODE = COLOR
COMPUTER ID = B

;       PACKET SETUP
;PACKET PORT = SERIAL 2
EIGHT BIT PACKET PORT = TRUE
PACKET ADD LF = TRUE
PACKET AUTO CR = TRUE
PACKET BAUD RATE = 4800
PACKET BAND SPOTS = FALSE
PACKET SPOTS = ALL
PACKET LOG FILENAME = PACKET.TXT
PACKET BEEP = TRUE
MULTI PORT = SERIAL 1
--part1_c.1c99b7c6.28fac47f_boundary-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From G8OO@aol.com Sun Oct 14 12:02:24 2001 From: G8OO@aol.com (G8OO@aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 07:02:24 EDT Subject: [TRLog] Sorry Larry I Sent wrong .cfg for PC-2 Message-ID: <129.6016233.28facac0@aol.com> --part1_129.6016233.28facac0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry Larry Sunday 14-Oct 01 Time 11:05Gmt In my haste, I cut and pasted the wrong .cfg's. Below are the correct ones ---------------------------------------------- Sunday 14-Oct 01 Time 10:35Gmt Hi Larry I am setting up TR for multi opp use and have run into a strange packet problems using two PC with 2 serial ports on each with a very simple .cfg's My problems are as follows:- CTRL-U will not work on PC-1 with the rig connected. CTRL-U works great on PC-2 but has not got a rig connected. PC 1 & 2 sees all packet over the network with out any problems, I can also send instructions to the TNC from both PC's Below are my simple test.cfg ;Rig PC MY CALL = G8OO CONTEST = CQ WW DISPLAY MODE = COLOR COMPUTER ID = A ; PACKET SETUP EIGHT BIT PACKET PORT = TRUE PACKET ADD LF = TRUE PACKET AUTO CR = TRUE PACKET BAUD RATE = 4800 PACKET BAND SPOTS = FALSE PACKET SPOTS = ALL PACKET LOG FILENAME = PACKET.TXT PACKET BEEP = TRUE MULTI PORT = SERIAL 1 RADIO ONE TYPE = FT1000MP RADIO ONE CONTROL PORT = SERIAL 2 ;Packet PC MY CALL = G8OO CONTEST = CQ WW DISPLAY MODE = COLOR COMPUTER ID = B ; PACKET SETUP PACKET PORT = SERIAL 2 EIGHT BIT PACKET PORT = TRUE PACKET ADD LF = TRUE PACKET AUTO CR = TRUE PACKET BAUD RATE = 4800 PACKET BAND SPOTS = FALSE PACKET SPOTS = ALL PACKET LOG FILENAME = PACKET.TXT PACKET BEEP = TRUE MULTI PORT = SERIAL 1 --part1_129.6016233.28facac0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry Larry

Sunday 14-Oct 01  Time 11:05Gmt

In my haste, I cut and pasted the wrong .cfg's.

Below are the correct ones

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Sunday 14-Oct 01  Time 10:35Gmt

Hi Larry

I am setting up TR for multi opp use and have run into a strange packet problems using two PC with 2 serial ports on each with a very simple .cfg's

My problems are as follows:-

CTRL-U will not work on PC-1 with the rig connected.

CTRL-U works great on PC-2  but has not got a rig connected.

PC 1 & 2 sees all packet over the network with out any problems, I can also send instructions to the TNC from both PC's

Below are my simple test.cfg


;Rig PC
MY CALL = G8OO
CONTEST = CQ WW
DISPLAY MODE = COLOR
COMPUTER ID = A

;       PACKET SETUP
EIGHT BIT PACKET PORT = TRUE
PACKET ADD LF = TRUE
PACKET AUTO CR = TRUE
PACKET BAUD RATE = 4800
PACKET BAND SPOTS = FALSE
PACKET SPOTS = ALL
PACKET LOG FILENAME = PACKET.TXT
PACKET BEEP = TRUE
MULTI PORT = SERIAL 1

RADIO ONE TYPE = FT1000MP
RADIO ONE CONTROL PORT = SERIAL 2


;Packet PC
MY CALL = G8OO
CONTEST = CQ WW
DISPLAY MODE = COLOR
COMPUTER ID = B

; PACKET SETUP
PACKET PORT = SERIAL 2
EIGHT BIT PACKET PORT = TRUE
PACKET ADD LF = TRUE
PACKET AUTO CR = TRUE
PACKET BAUD RATE = 4800
PACKET BAND SPOTS = FALSE
PACKET SPOTS = ALL
PACKET LOG FILENAME = PACKET.TXT
PACKET BEEP = TRUE
MULTI PORT = SERIAL 1
--part1_129.6016233.28facac0_boundary-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From G8OO@aol.com Sun Oct 14 12:23:43 2001 From: G8OO@aol.com (G8OO@aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 07:23:43 EDT Subject: [TRLog] I have just tried the test.cfg with TR-log ALL647 and it works perfectly? G8OO Message-ID: --part1_c.1c9985d0.28facfbf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sunday 14-Oct 01 Time 11:25Gmt Larry I have just tried the .cfg below with TR-log ALL647 and it works perfectly? ---------------------------------------- Subj: Sorry Larry I Sent wrong .cfg for PC-2 Date: 14/10/2001 To: trlog@contesting.com, tree@kkn.net Sorry Larry Sunday 14-Oct 01 Time 11:05Gmt In my haste, I cut and pasted the wrong .cfg's. Below are the correct ones ---------------------------------------------- Sunday 14-Oct 01 Time 10:35Gmt Hi Larry I am setting up TR for multi opp use and have run into a strange packet problems using two PC with 2 serial ports on each with a very simple .cfg's My problems are as follows:- CTRL-U will not work on PC-1 with the rig connected. CTRL-U works great on PC-2 but has not got a rig connected. PC 1 & 2 sees all packet over the network with out any problems, I can also send instructions to the TNC from both PC's Below are my simple test.cfg ;Rig PC MY CALL = G8OO CONTEST = CQ WW DISPLAY MODE = COLOR COMPUTER ID = A ; PACKET SETUP EIGHT BIT PACKET PORT = TRUE PACKET ADD LF = TRUE PACKET AUTO CR = TRUE PACKET BAUD RATE = 4800 PACKET BAND SPOTS = FALSE PACKET SPOTS = ALL PACKET LOG FILENAME = PACKET.TXT PACKET BEEP = TRUE MULTI PORT = SERIAL 1 RADIO ONE TYPE = FT1000MP RADIO ONE CONTROL PORT = SERIAL 2 ;Packet PC MY CALL = G8OO CONTEST = CQ WW DISPLAY MODE = COLOR COMPUTER ID = B ; PACKET SETUP PACKET PORT = SERIAL 2 EIGHT BIT PACKET PORT = TRUE PACKET ADD LF = TRUE PACKET AUTO CR = TRUE PACKET BAUD RATE = 4800 PACKET BAND SPOTS = FALSE PACKET SPOTS = ALL PACKET LOG FILENAME = PACKET.TXT PACKET BEEP = TRUE MULTI PORT = SERIAL 1 --part1_c.1c9985d0.28facfbf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sunday 14-Oct 01  Time 11:25Gmt

Larry

I have just tried the .cfg below with TR-log ALL647 and it works perfectly?

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Subj: Sorry Larry I Sent wrong .cfg for PC-2
Date: 14/10/2001
To: trlog@contesting.com, tree@kkn.net

Sorry Larry

Sunday 14-Oct 01  Time 11:05Gmt

In my haste, I cut and pasted the wrong .cfg's.

Below are the correct ones

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Sunday 14-Oct 01  Time 10:35Gmt

Hi Larry

I am setting up TR for multi opp use and have run into a strange packet problems using two PC with 2 serial ports on each with a very simple .cfg's

My problems are as follows:-

CTRL-U will not work on PC-1 with the rig connected.

CTRL-U works great on PC-2  but has not got a rig connected.

PC 1 & 2 sees all packet over the network with out any problems, I can also send instructions to the TNC from both PC's

Below are my simple test.cfg


;Rig PC
MY CALL = G8OO
CONTEST = CQ WW
DISPLAY MODE = COLOR
COMPUTER ID = A

;       PACKET SETUP
EIGHT BIT PACKET PORT = TRUE
PACKET ADD LF = TRUE
PACKET AUTO CR = TRUE
PACKET BAUD RATE = 4800
PACKET BAND SPOTS = FALSE
PACKET SPOTS = ALL
PACKET LOG FILENAME = PACKET.TXT
PACKET BEEP = TRUE
MULTI PORT = SERIAL 1

RADIO ONE TYPE = FT1000MP
RADIO ONE CONTROL PORT = SERIAL 2


;Packet PC
MY CALL = G8OO
CONTEST = CQ WW
DISPLAY MODE = COLOR
COMPUTER ID = B

; PACKET SETUP
PACKET PORT = SERIAL 2
EIGHT BIT PACKET PORT = TRUE
PACKET ADD LF = TRUE
PACKET AUTO CR = TRUE
PACKET BAUD RATE = 4800
PACKET BAND SPOTS = FALSE
PACKET SPOTS = ALL
PACKET LOG FILENAME = PACKET.TXT
PACKET BEEP = TRUE
MULTI PORT = SERIAL 1
--part1_c.1c9985d0.28facfbf_boundary-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From G8OO@aol.com Sun Oct 14 13:21:45 2001 From: G8OO@aol.com (G8OO@aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 08:21:45 EDT Subject: [TRLog] Hi Larry de G8OO Message-ID: <57.1abee8.28fadd59@aol.com> --part1_57.1abee8.28fadd59_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Larry I have just done a back track and the second PC - CTRL-U It stopped working way back in VER 653 -- it works OK in VER 652 wrongly listed as 651 ---------------------------------------------- Subj: I have just tried the test.cfg with TR-log ALL647 and it works perfectly? G8OO Date: 14/10/2001 To: trlog@contesting.com, tree@kkn.net Sunday 14-Oct 01 Time 11:25Gmt Larry I have just tried the .cfg below with TR-log ALL647 and it works perfectly? ---------------------------------------- Subj: Sorry Larry I Sent wrong .cfg for PC-2 Date: 14/10/2001 To: trlog@contesting.com, tree@kkn.net Sorry Larry Sunday 14-Oct 01 Time 11:05Gmt In my haste, I cut and pasted the wrong .cfg's. Below are the correct ones ---------------------------------------------- Sunday 14-Oct 01 Time 10:35Gmt Hi Larry I am setting up TR for multi opp use and have run into a strange packet problems using two PC with 2 serial ports on each with a very simple .cfg's My problems are as follows:- CTRL-U will not work on PC-1 with the rig connected. CTRL-U works great on PC-2 but has not got a rig connected. PC 1 & 2 sees all packet over the network with out any problems, I can also send instructions to the TNC from both PC's Below are my simple test.cfg ;Rig PC MY CALL = G8OO CONTEST = CQ WW DISPLAY MODE = COLOR COMPUTER ID = A ; PACKET SETUP EIGHT BIT PACKET PORT = TRUE PACKET ADD LF = TRUE PACKET AUTO CR = TRUE PACKET BAUD RATE = 4800 PACKET BAND SPOTS = FALSE PACKET SPOTS = ALL PACKET LOG FILENAME = PACKET.TXT PACKET BEEP = TRUE MULTI PORT = SERIAL 1 RADIO ONE TYPE = FT1000MP RADIO ONE CONTROL PORT = SERIAL 2 ;Packet PC MY CALL = G8OO CONTEST = CQ WW DISPLAY MODE = COLOR COMPUTER ID = B ; PACKET SETUP PACKET PORT = SERIAL 2 EIGHT BIT PACKET PORT = TRUE PACKET ADD LF = TRUE PACKET AUTO CR = TRUE PACKET BAUD RATE = 4800 PACKET BAND SPOTS = FALSE PACKET SPOTS = ALL PACKET LOG FILENAME = PACKET.TXT PACKET BEEP = TRUE MULTI PORT = SERIAL 1 --part1_57.1abee8.28fadd59_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Larry

I have just done a back track and the second PC - CTRL-U

It stopped working way back in VER 653 -- it works OK in VER 652 wrongly listed as 651

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Subj: I have just tried the test.cfg with TR-log ALL647 and it works perfectly? G8OO
Date: 14/10/2001
To: trlog@contesting.com, tree@kkn.net



Sunday 14-Oct 01  Time 11:25Gmt

Larry

I have just tried the .cfg below with TR-log ALL647 and it works perfectly?

----------------------------------------

Subj:    Sorry Larry I Sent wrong .cfg for PC-2    
Date:    14/10/2001    
To:    trlog@contesting.com, tree@kkn.net    
  
Sorry Larry

Sunday 14-Oct 01  Time 11:05Gmt

In my haste, I cut and pasted the wrong .cfg's.

Below are the correct ones

----------------------------------------------


Sunday 14-Oct 01  Time 10:35Gmt

Hi Larry

I am setting up TR for multi opp use and have run into a strange packet problems using two PC with 2 serial ports on each with a very simple .cfg's

My problems are as follows:-

CTRL-U will not work on PC-1 with the rig connected.

CTRL-U works great on PC-2  but has not got a rig connected.

PC 1 & 2 sees all packet over the network with out any problems, I can also send instructions to the TNC from both PC's

Below are my simple test.cfg


;Rig PC
MY CALL = G8OO
CONTEST = CQ WW
DISPLAY MODE = COLOR
COMPUTER ID = A

;       PACKET SETUP
EIGHT BIT PACKET PORT = TRUE
PACKET ADD LF = TRUE
PACKET AUTO CR = TRUE
PACKET BAUD RATE = 4800
PACKET BAND SPOTS = FALSE
PACKET SPOTS = ALL
PACKET LOG FILENAME = PACKET.TXT
PACKET BEEP = TRUE
MULTI PORT = SERIAL 1

RADIO ONE TYPE = FT1000MP
RADIO ONE CONTROL PORT = SERIAL 2


;Packet PC
MY CALL = G8OO
CONTEST = CQ WW
DISPLAY MODE = COLOR
COMPUTER ID = B

; PACKET SETUP
PACKET PORT = SERIAL 2
EIGHT BIT PACKET PORT = TRUE
PACKET ADD LF = TRUE
PACKET AUTO CR = TRUE
PACKET BAUD RATE = 4800
PACKET BAND SPOTS = FALSE
PACKET SPOTS = ALL
PACKET LOG FILENAME = PACKET.TXT
PACKET BEEP = TRUE
MULTI PORT = SERIAL 1

--part1_57.1abee8.28fadd59_boundary-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From geoiii@kkn.net Sun Oct 14 13:31:37 2001 From: geoiii@kkn.net (George Fremin III - K5TR) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 05:31:37 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] Logging DX stations in CQP In-Reply-To: <3BC78D3C.5B084949@postoffice.pacbell.net>; from punkymcd@postoffice.pacbell.net on Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 05:39:24PM -0700 References: <3BC78D3C.5B084949@postoffice.pacbell.net> Message-ID: <20011014053137.C28391@loja.kkn.net> On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 05:39:24PM -0700, punkymcd@postoffice.pacbell.net wrote: > > Jeez, > When in gods name is TRlog going to resolve the DX logging problem. If > the other logging programs can do it why can't TRlog? mmmmmm -- I never knew there was a DX logging problem. Tr-Log logs all my DX. -- George Fremin III Johnson City, Texas "Experiment trumps theory." K5TR (ex.WB5VZL) -- Dave Leeson W6NL geoiii@kkn.net 830-868-2510 http://www.kkn.net/~k5tr -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From k6ll@juno.com Sun Oct 14 09:55:20 2001 From: k6ll@juno.com (David O Hachadorian) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 08:55:20 +0000 Subject: [TRLog] Re: Logging DX stations in CQP Message-ID: <20011014.085521.-16711051.0.k6ll@juno.com> I received the following this morning from Al, AD6E, who is the CQP log-checker: "Please don't worry that this issue will cause any penalties or DQs. It won't... at least not this year again. I've been threatening to ding QSOs with blank QTH info for quite a while." Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ K6LL@juno.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From dl2zav@darc.de Sat Oct 13 22:32:51 2001 From: dl2zav@darc.de (Udo DL2ZAV) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 23:32:51 +0200 Subject: [TRLog] USB ports & TR References: <150.268a066.28f8e197@aol.com> Message-ID: <000201c154f7$7d50ff00$d20401d9@udo> > > The new stuff I've seen on the market all have 1 serial port, 1 LPT, and 2 or > more USB ports. > Some of them have 2 serial ports on board, but only one of them is connected to a socket. Maybe a simple connector cable will let you access the second one. YMMV -- 73, Udo dl2zav@darc.de Ich funke mit TR-Log von N6TR. TR-Log-Online-Home-Page in Deutsch: www.trlog.onlinehome.de -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From WG0M@aol.com Mon Oct 15 00:13:21 2001 From: WG0M@aol.com (WG0M@aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 19:13:21 EDT Subject: [TRLog] test Message-ID: <16e.25a68e3.28fb7611@aol.com> test for posting Best regards; Michael WG0M -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From ve3iay@rac.ca Mon Oct 15 02:53:02 2001 From: ve3iay@rac.ca (Richard Ferch) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:53:02 -0400 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) Message-ID: <007301c1551c$217beee0$6400a8c0@workstation1> Some notes on my experiences setting up and using TRLog in the RTTY Sprint this weekend. This message is long. If you're not interested in using TRLog for RTTY, you might as well stop reading now! 1. Why use TRLog on RTTY? That's a good question. There are several free sound-card RTTY programs available, including MMTTY (www.qsl.net/mmhamsoft/mmtty/), but although they usually have some kind of contest logging capability, it doesn't come close to TRLog's. On the other hand, with TRLog you have to use a TNC. It may be possible to use MMTTY in its KAM emulation mode with TRLog. I haven't tried this, but I understand some people have made it work with WF1B RTTY. This raises the question: why not use WF1B RTTY (available free from www.rttyinfo.com)? WF1B RTTY has a major advantage over TRLog, and that is that it detects call signs in the incoming data, dupe checks them, and can transfer call signs and exchanges automatically from the input window to the log. WF1B RTTY also knows about the exchanges and scoring for most RTTY contests. On the other hand, I don't find it quite as easy to use as TRLog is, particularly in the Sprint, where TRLog's automatic switching between run and S&P modes can save you from having to think (always a good feature in a fast-paced contest!). Then there are the Windows contest logging programs, Writelog and N1MM Logger. I have used Writelog, but somehow it has never quite clicked with me (sort of like CT - I'll use it if I have to, but given my druthers, I'druther use TRLog). And the free N1MM Logger software is still in development. Reading the messages on the reflector for this new program makes me uneasy about trusting it in a contest, but with several more RTTY contests this fall, I'll probably try it out in one of them. Let's just say that I wanted to give TRLog a try on RTTY, and the RTTY Sprint seemed like the ideal place. 2. How do you set TRLog up for RTTY? Let's assume you already have a TNC or TU hooked up to a serial port, so the question really is: how do you set up LOGCFG.DAT to use the TNC? I started out from my LOGCFG.DAT file for the CW Sprint. First, you need to add the following two lines: DIGITAL MODE ENABLE = TRUE RTTY PORT = SERIAL 1 assuming your TNC is connected to COM1. As far as I can tell, the RTTY port in TRLog is fixed at 4800 baud, so you may have to reprogram your TNC's data rate to match (unless it has an autobaud feature). You should probably add: BAND MAP ENABLE = FALSE VISIBLE DUPESHEET = FALSE as the TNC incoming and outgoing data uses up the space where either of these would appear. It may be possible to have two of these windows active in the same LOGCFG.DAT file, but my guess is that you would have on-screen interference between the visible dupesheet and the TNC window. In a multi-mode contest like Field Day, you might want to use the band map in CW and SSB, and only have the TNC window active in RTTY, but this may be one of those "rough edges" that only sort of works. Add: LEADING ZEROS = 3 LEADING ZERO CHARACTER = 0 SHORT INTEGERS = FALSE so your serial number exchanges come out as expected (cut numbers or short integers like ATN for 109 don't make any sense in RTTY). Three-digit serial numbers take marginally longer than shorter ones, but they are more predictable and stand out better in noisy conditions. The next set of changes applies only to the RTTY Sprint, not to other RTTY contests. This is because you are allowed to work dupes in this contest, provided there are at least three intervening QSOs in both logs (what I did during the contest was check whether the call sign was visible in TRLog's on-screen log window, figuring that if it was, we were too close - that beat figuring out whether there were 2, 3 or 4 intervening QSOs). AUTO DUPE ENABLE CQ = FALSE AUTO DUPE ENABLE S AND P = FALSE SPACE BAR DUPE CHECK ENABLE = FALSE DUPE SHEET ENABLE = FALSE There will also be changes needed to the various memories and messages, but I'll leave that for the moment. First, we need to make sure that the hardware setup will work. 3. Checking out the hardware For various reasons, I run TRLog in a DOS box under Windows 98. I'm not sure why this is, but many DOS programs (including TRLog and WF1B RTTY) don't seem to be able to see the serial ports on my machine unless I "precondition" the ports by running yet another DOS program, Hyperlog, first. If I don't run Hyperlog first, TRLog will freeze on startup when it fails to find the radio interface. Sometimes Hyperlog fails on the first try, too, but somehow a second try with Hyperlog always works, where a second try with the other programs does not - don't ask me why, ask Microsoft. If I run a Windows program that uses the com port in question, then I will have to repeat the preconditioning step before running TRLog. For all I know, I'm the only person in the world with this particular problem, but anyway... Use Alt-M to change modes until you are in digital mode. That switches my TS-850 into FSK mode. I don't know whether TRLog can support AFSK. (Tree: would it be possible to implement an option that would put the radio into either USB or LSB when TRLog is in digital mode, for thsoe who want to use AFSK?). By the way, for some reason the band up and band down commands (Alt-B and Alt-V) don't work in digital mode. You can either do your bandswitching on the radio, or change to CW or SSB to switch bands, then change back to digital. If you've got the serial ports working, when you switch the TNC on you should see something, even if it's only rubbish, in the TNC window. When you press F10 when TRLog is in digital mode (as distinct from CW or SSB), anything you type after that is sent to the TNC. This includes the Enter key, which does not terminate keyboard input (unlike CW). This is a good thing, because you will probably need to be able to send a carriage return to the TNC without terminating the keyboard input. The only way to terminate keyboard input is to press the Esc key (F10 doesn't take you out of keyboard input). With my MFJ-1278, after pressing F10 and turning the TNC on, I have to press Enter a few times to get the TNC to recognize the baud rate. I then enter the commands needed to put it into the correct configuration: MODE HB, 45 to select RTTY, RADIO 2 to select the HF radio, and K to take the TNC out of its command mode, before pressing Esc. Other types of TNC or TU will have commands with similar functions, as appropriate. You may have to specify the RTTY SEND STRING and RTTY RECEIVE STRING parameters appropriate to your TNC as well. The defaults work with the MFJ. If all this works, you should be able to tune to an RTTY signal and see it in the TNC window. One very nice feature in TRLog is a small window at the bottom that shows the same incoming characters in the other figures/letters mode. This will translate all those annoying TOO PPQ exchanges that happen when the sent FIGS character is hit by noise into 599 001 and so on. To transmit, you can just hit F10 and start to type. Press Esc to go back to receive mode. 4. Programming TRLog's memories There are two aspects of RTTY that are different from CW and affect how you program the memories. The first is that when there is no signal, the other guy's TNC will probably convert random noise into random characters, or "garble". To separate your message clearly from the garble, it's a good idea to start and end your messages with a space or two, or even a carriage return. TRLog ends its messages with a carriage return, but the RTTYer's habit of ending all messages with a space and one or two K's is probably not a bad idea either, in case the CR gets hit by a noise burst. It's also a good idea not to make your messages too short, or they will be lost in the garble. The second is that there is no way to identify who sent a message from the sound alone, as there often is in CW. This suggests that more messages should include your call sign than would be the case in CW. In CW, you can begin and end messages with _ to force TRLog to insert a space. Unfortunately, this doesn't work in RTTY; the _ is passed through to the TNC, which will probably ignore it (there is no such character in the Baudot character set). Some of the other special characters used in CW messages don't work either ( ^, +, <, =, ! and &). The control characters in Table 3 of the manual seem to work, but the ones to control speed, weight and various length dits and dahs do not work. They are passed on unchanged to the TNC, and may have undesired effects, so it is best to remove them from the programmed messages. You can insert special characters in CQ MEMORIES F1-F9 and EX MEMORIES F3-F9 by using the syntax. I have found <20> (space) and <0D> (carriage return) to be useful. However, these do not work in the "Other" messages (Alt-P-O menu); they get passed through to the TNC, except for the > which zeros your radio's RIT. Some useful messages from my RTTY Sprint config file: CQ EXCHANGE = DE \ # name state K (in some software, the DE tags the following word as a call sign, which can speed up the other guy's response, and the trailing K separates your exchange from garble. TRLog automatically sends the other station's call sign and a space before this message.) S&P EXCHANGE = @ NR # name state DE \ K QSL MESSAGE = @ QSL DE \ QSY K (unlike CW, where a simple EE or R or TU will do the job, in the RTTY Sprint most stations were using some variant on the above QSL message. In a non-Sprint contest, you would put QRZ? in place of the QSY). CQ MEMORY F3 = <20>) NR # # name name state state DE \ K EX MEMORY F3 = <20>@ NR # # name name state state DE \ K The reason for the last two is that the F2 exchange memory does not work in TRLog's RTTY mode. That means there is no way to send the REPEAT S&P EXCHANGE. My solution to this problem was to program it into the F3 memories as above. I also programmed short messages to resend the exchange elements into EX MEMORIES F4-F6, and queries asking for repeats of the same elements into CQ MEMORIES F4-F6. That took care of most requirements for fills, and you can take care of the rest (questions in EX mode and fills in CQ mode) with ALTF4-ALTF6. As usual, in both EX and CQ I used F9 as a general repeat request. The default CQ messages in CQ MEMORIES F1 and F2 needed a bit of work. The Alt-A and Alt-B don't do any harm (they're there for SO2R), but the Alt-F and Alt-S should be removed, and the ^ changed to a full space. 5. During the Contest I changed the font in the DOS window to a size that left a bit of room on my screen (6x10), and substituted single-prescription reading glasses for my normal varifocals so I could read the computer screen better. Then I opened up MMTTY and sized its window to fit beside the TRLog window. That gave me some additional tuning aids, as well as two different decoders working on the same received signal. Most of the time, if one of them garbled the incoming signal, the other one supplied the missing information, and if not, well, that's when you ask for fills. Overall, I'm pretty happy with the way the computer setup worked (how the rest of my station works in the Sprint is a different story!), except that I wish the F2 function key in exchange mode worked the way it does in CW. I'll probably use this setup again in other RTTY contests where TRLog can handle the scoring. If there are any with unusual scoring (ANARTS springs to mind), well, I still have a copy of WF1B RTTY, and I can try to set that up to work as similarly as possible to TRLog. 6. After the Contest I had LOG FREQUENCY ENABLE = TRUE and SHOW SEARCH AND POUNCE = TRUE in my config file, as I find the information they add useful for analysis. To remove the effects of the first one, I ran POST /L/C and renumbered the QSOs. I then renamed the original LOG.DAT to LOGFREQ.DAT, and the new LALLBOTH.DAT to LOG.DAT. Then I ran POST /C to produce the Cabrillo file LOG.CBR . One tiny fixup: the CONTEST: line in the Cabrillo file produced by POST read NA-SPRINT-RY. There is no name specified for this contest in the official Cabrillo spec, but the WT4I Cabrillo tools software uses NA-SPRINT-RTTY, as does some of my own log processing software, so I edited the file to make this change. To get my contest log into my general station log, I used two more programs. CBRFRFIX puts the frequency information from LOGFREQ.DAT back into the Cabrillo file, and CBR2ADIF converts the Cabrillo file into ADIF, while adding a few fields that aren't in the Cabrillo file. These programs are at http://www.storm.ca/~ve3iay/cbr2adif.html, if anyone is interested. The version of CBR2ADIF that was at that site before this morning doesn't handle the received name properly in the RTTY NA Sprint, but that bug has now been fixed. If you're still reading, I hope you found some interesting tidbits in this message. 73, Rich VE3IAY -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From gbaron@home.com Mon Oct 15 04:11:47 2001 From: gbaron@home.com (Gil Baron) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 22:11:47 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) In-Reply-To: <007301c1551c$217beee0$6400a8c0@workstation1> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011014220859.038793e8@pop3.norton.antivirus> --=====================_106741646==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I see no reason to use TRLOG on an RTTY contest. The capabilities of WriteLog to integrate MMTTY AND the DXTELNET spots into the program make it a huge advantage over TRLOG. In fact for any contest that has a contest module available fro WriteLog it seems the winner today, in all respects. In SSB it is not even a close race. You can do a SSB contest without ever speaking a word. For CW, well for CW TRLOG MAY still be the best? Besides, I am sick of DOS. At 21:53 10/14/2001, Richard Ferch wrote: >Some notes on my experiences setting up and using TRLog in the RTTY Sprint >this weekend. This message is long. If you're not interested in using TRLog >for RTTY, you might as well stop reading now! > >1. Why use TRLog on RTTY? > >That's a good question. > >There are several free sound-card RTTY programs available, including MMTTY >(www.qsl.net/mmhamsoft/mmtty/), but although they usually have some kind of >contest logging capability, it doesn't come close to TRLog's. > >On the other hand, with TRLog you have to use a TNC. It may be possible to >use MMTTY in its KAM emulation mode with TRLog. I haven't tried this, but I >understand some people have made it work with WF1B RTTY. > >This raises the question: why not use WF1B RTTY (available free from >www.rttyinfo.com)? WF1B RTTY has a major advantage over TRLog, and that is >that it detects call signs in the incoming data, dupe checks them, and can >transfer call signs and exchanges automatically from the input window to the >log. WF1B RTTY also knows about the exchanges and scoring for most RTTY >contests. On the other hand, I don't find it quite as easy to use as TRLog >is, particularly in the Sprint, where TRLog's automatic switching between >run and S&P modes can save you from having to think (always a good feature >in a fast-paced contest!). > >Then there are the Windows contest logging programs, Writelog and N1MM >Logger. I have used Writelog, but somehow it has never quite clicked with me >(sort of like CT - I'll use it if I have to, but given my druthers, >I'druther use TRLog). And the free N1MM Logger software is still in >development. Reading the messages on the reflector for this new program >makes me uneasy about trusting it in a contest, but with several more RTTY >contests this fall, I'll probably try it out in one of them. > >Let's just say that I wanted to give TRLog a try on RTTY, and the RTTY >Sprint seemed like the ideal place. > >2. How do you set TRLog up for RTTY? > >Let's assume you already have a TNC or TU hooked up to a serial port, so the >question really is: how do you set up LOGCFG.DAT to use the TNC? > >I started out from my LOGCFG.DAT file for the CW Sprint. First, you need to >add the following two lines: > >DIGITAL MODE ENABLE = TRUE >RTTY PORT = SERIAL 1 > >assuming your TNC is connected to COM1. As far as I can tell, the RTTY port >in TRLog is fixed at 4800 baud, so you may have to reprogram your TNC's data >rate to match (unless it has an autobaud feature). > >You should probably add: > >BAND MAP ENABLE = FALSE >VISIBLE DUPESHEET = FALSE > >as the TNC incoming and outgoing data uses up the space where either of >these would appear. It may be possible to have two of these windows active >in the same LOGCFG.DAT file, but my guess is that you would have on-screen >interference between the visible dupesheet and the TNC window. In a >multi-mode contest like Field Day, you might want to use the band map in CW >and SSB, and only have the TNC window active in RTTY, but this may be one of >those "rough edges" that only sort of works. > >Add: > >LEADING ZEROS = 3 >LEADING ZERO CHARACTER = 0 >SHORT INTEGERS = FALSE > >so your serial number exchanges come out as expected (cut numbers or short >integers like ATN for 109 don't make any sense in RTTY). Three-digit serial >numbers take marginally longer than shorter ones, but they are more >predictable and stand out better in noisy conditions. > >The next set of changes applies only to the RTTY Sprint, not to other RTTY >contests. This is because you are allowed to work dupes in this contest, >provided there are at least three intervening QSOs in both logs (what I did >during the contest was check whether the call sign was visible in TRLog's >on-screen log window, figuring that if it was, we were too close - that beat >figuring out whether there were 2, 3 or 4 intervening QSOs). > >AUTO DUPE ENABLE CQ = FALSE >AUTO DUPE ENABLE S AND P = FALSE >SPACE BAR DUPE CHECK ENABLE = FALSE >DUPE SHEET ENABLE = FALSE > >There will also be changes needed to the various memories and messages, but >I'll leave that for the moment. First, we need to make sure that the >hardware setup will work. > >3. Checking out the hardware > >For various reasons, I run TRLog in a DOS box under Windows 98. I'm not sure >why this is, but many DOS programs (including TRLog and WF1B RTTY) don't >seem to be able to see the serial ports on my machine unless I >"precondition" the ports by running yet another DOS program, Hyperlog, >first. If I don't run Hyperlog first, TRLog will freeze on startup when it >fails to find the radio interface. Sometimes Hyperlog fails on the first >try, too, but somehow a second try with Hyperlog always works, where a >second try with the other programs does not - don't ask me why, ask >Microsoft. If I run a Windows program that uses the com port in question, >then I will have to repeat the preconditioning step before running TRLog. >For all I know, I'm the only person in the world with this particular >problem, but anyway... > >Use Alt-M to change modes until you are in digital mode. That switches my >TS-850 into FSK mode. I don't know whether TRLog can support AFSK. (Tree: >would it be possible to implement an option that would put the radio into >either USB or LSB when TRLog is in digital mode, for thsoe who want to use >AFSK?). By the way, for some reason the band up and band down commands >(Alt-B and Alt-V) don't work in digital mode. You can either do your >bandswitching on the radio, or change to CW or SSB to switch bands, then >change back to digital. > >If you've got the serial ports working, when you switch the TNC on you >should see something, even if it's only rubbish, in the TNC window. When you >press F10 when TRLog is in digital mode (as distinct from CW or SSB), >anything you type after that is sent to the TNC. This includes the Enter >key, which does not terminate keyboard input (unlike CW). This is a good >thing, because you will probably need to be able to send a carriage return >to the TNC without terminating the keyboard input. The only way to terminate >keyboard input is to press the Esc key (F10 doesn't take you out of keyboard >input). > >With my MFJ-1278, after pressing F10 and turning the TNC on, I have to press >Enter a few times to get the TNC to recognize the baud rate. I then enter >the commands needed to put it into the correct configuration: MODE HB, 45 to >select RTTY, RADIO 2 to select the HF radio, and K to take the TNC out of >its command mode, before pressing Esc. Other types of TNC or TU will have >commands with similar functions, as appropriate. You may have to specify the >RTTY SEND STRING and RTTY RECEIVE STRING parameters appropriate to your TNC >as well. The defaults work with the MFJ. > >If all this works, you should be able to tune to an RTTY signal and see it >in the TNC window. One very nice feature in TRLog is a small window at the >bottom that shows the same incoming characters in the other figures/letters >mode. This will translate all those annoying TOO PPQ exchanges that happen >when the sent FIGS character is hit by noise into 599 001 and so on. > >To transmit, you can just hit F10 and start to type. Press Esc to go back to >receive mode. > >4. Programming TRLog's memories > >There are two aspects of RTTY that are different from CW and affect how you >program the memories. > >The first is that when there is no signal, the other guy's TNC will probably >convert random noise into random characters, or "garble". To separate your >message clearly from the garble, it's a good idea to start and end your >messages with a space or two, or even a carriage return. TRLog ends its >messages with a carriage return, but the RTTYer's habit of ending all >messages with a space and one or two K's is probably not a bad idea either, >in case the CR gets hit by a noise burst. It's also a good idea not to make >your messages too short, or they will be lost in the garble. > >The second is that there is no way to identify who sent a message from the >sound alone, as there often is in CW. This suggests that more messages >should include your call sign than would be the case in CW. > >In CW, you can begin and end messages with _ to force TRLog to insert a >space. Unfortunately, this doesn't work in RTTY; the _ is passed through to >the TNC, which will probably ignore it (there is no such character in the >Baudot character set). Some of the other special characters used in CW >messages don't work either ( ^, +, <, =, ! and &). The control characters in >Table 3 of the manual seem to work, but the ones to control speed, weight >and various length dits and dahs do not work. They are passed on unchanged >to the TNC, and may have undesired effects, so it is best to remove them >from the programmed messages. > >You can insert special characters in CQ MEMORIES F1-F9 and EX MEMORIES F3-F9 >by using the syntax. I have found <20> (space) and <0D> (carriage >return) to be useful. However, these do not work in the "Other" messages >(Alt-P-O menu); they get passed through to the TNC, except for the > which >zeros your radio's RIT. > >Some useful messages from my RTTY Sprint config file: > >CQ EXCHANGE = DE \ # name state K >(in some software, the DE tags the following word as a call sign, which can >speed up the other guy's response, and the trailing K separates your >exchange from garble. TRLog automatically sends the other station's call >sign and a space before this message.) >S&P EXCHANGE = @ NR # name state DE \ K >QSL MESSAGE = @ QSL DE \ QSY K >(unlike CW, where a simple EE or R or TU will do the job, in the RTTY Sprint >most stations were using some variant on the above QSL message. In a >non-Sprint contest, you would put QRZ? in place of the QSY). >CQ MEMORY F3 = <20>) NR # # name name state state DE \ K >EX MEMORY F3 = <20>@ NR # # name name state state DE \ K > >The reason for the last two is that the F2 exchange memory does not work in >TRLog's RTTY mode. That means there is no way to send the REPEAT S&P >EXCHANGE. My solution to this problem was to program it into the F3 memories >as above. > >I also programmed short messages to resend the exchange elements into EX >MEMORIES F4-F6, and queries asking for repeats of the same elements into CQ >MEMORIES F4-F6. That took care of most requirements for fills, and you can >take care of the rest (questions in EX mode and fills in CQ mode) with >ALTF4-ALTF6. As usual, in both EX and CQ I used F9 as a general repeat >request. > >The default CQ messages in CQ MEMORIES F1 and F2 needed a bit of work. The >Alt-A and Alt-B don't do any harm (they're there for SO2R), but the Alt-F >and Alt-S should be removed, and the ^ changed to a full space. > >5. During the Contest > >I changed the font in the DOS window to a size that left a bit of room on my >screen (6x10), and substituted single-prescription reading glasses for my >normal varifocals so I could read the computer screen better. Then I opened >up MMTTY and sized its window to fit beside the TRLog window. That gave me >some additional tuning aids, as well as two different decoders working on >the same received signal. Most of the time, if one of them garbled the >incoming signal, the other one supplied the missing information, and if not, >well, that's when you ask for fills. > >Overall, I'm pretty happy with the way the computer setup worked (how the >rest of my station works in the Sprint is a different story!), except that I >wish the F2 function key in exchange mode worked the way it does in CW. I'll >probably use this setup again in other RTTY contests where TRLog can handle >the scoring. If there are any with unusual scoring (ANARTS springs to mind), >well, I still have a copy of WF1B RTTY, and I can try to set that up to work >as similarly as possible to TRLog. > >6. After the Contest > >I had >LOG FREQUENCY ENABLE = TRUE >and >SHOW SEARCH AND POUNCE = TRUE >in my config file, as I find the information they add useful for analysis. > >To remove the effects of the first one, I ran POST /L/C and renumbered the >QSOs. I then renamed the original LOG.DAT to LOGFREQ.DAT, and the new >LALLBOTH.DAT to LOG.DAT. Then I ran POST /C to produce the Cabrillo file >LOG.CBR . One tiny fixup: the CONTEST: line in the Cabrillo file produced by >POST read NA-SPRINT-RY. There is no name specified for this contest in the >official Cabrillo spec, but the WT4I Cabrillo tools software uses >NA-SPRINT-RTTY, as does some of my own log processing software, so I edited >the file to make this change. > >To get my contest log into my general station log, I used two more programs. >CBRFRFIX puts the frequency information from LOGFREQ.DAT back into the >Cabrillo file, and CBR2ADIF converts the Cabrillo file into ADIF, while >adding a few fields that aren't in the Cabrillo file. These programs are at >http://www.storm.ca/~ve3iay/cbr2adif.html, if anyone is interested. The >version of CBR2ADIF that was at that site before this morning doesn't handle >the received name properly in the RTTY NA Sprint, but that bug has now been >fixed. > >If you're still reading, I hope you found some interesting tidbits in this >message. > >73, >Rich VE3IAY > > > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog >Submissions: trlog@contesting.com >Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com >Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html Gil Baron http://members.home.com/gbaron W0MN 44.08208 N 92.51263 W 1055' "Baila como nadie te ve" --=====================_106741646==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I see no reason to use TRLOG on an RTTY contest. The capabilities of WriteLog to integrate MMTTY AND the DXTELNET spots into the program make it a huge advantage over TRLOG.

In fact for any contest that has a contest module available fro WriteLog it seems the winner today, in all respects.

In SSB it is not even a close race. You can do a SSB contest without ever speaking a word.
For CW, well for CW TRLOG MAY still be the best?



Besides, I am sick of DOS.

At 21:53 10/14/2001, Richard Ferch wrote:

Some notes on my experiences setting up and using TRLog in the RTTY Sprint
this weekend. This message is long. If you're not interested in using TRLog
for RTTY, you might as well stop reading now!

1. Why use TRLog on RTTY?

That's a good question.

There are several free sound-card RTTY programs available, including MMTTY
(www.qsl.net/mmhamsoft/mmtty/), but although they usually have some kind of
contest logging capability, it doesn't come close to TRLog's.

On the other hand, with TRLog you have to use a TNC. It may be possible to
use MMTTY in its KAM emulation mode with TRLog. I haven't tried this, but I
understand some people have made it work with WF1B RTTY.

This raises the question: why not use WF1B RTTY (available free from
www.rttyinfo.com)? WF1B RTTY has a major advantage over TRLog, and that is
that it detects call signs in the incoming data, dupe checks them, and can
transfer call signs and exchanges automatically from the input window to the
log. WF1B RTTY also knows about the exchanges and scoring for most RTTY
contests. On the other hand, I don't find it quite as easy to use as TRLog
is, particularly in the Sprint, where TRLog's automatic switching between
run and S&P modes can save you from having to think (always a good feature
in a fast-paced contest!).

Then there are the Windows contest logging programs, Writelog and N1MM
Logger. I have used Writelog, but somehow it has never quite clicked with me
(sort of like CT - I'll use it if I have to, but given my druthers,
I'druther use TRLog). And the free N1MM Logger software is still in
development. Reading the messages on the reflector for this new program
makes me uneasy about trusting it in a contest, but with several more RTTY
contests this fall, I'll probably try it out in one of them.

Let's just say that I wanted to give TRLog a try on RTTY, and the RTTY
Sprint seemed like the ideal place.

2. How do you set TRLog up for RTTY?

Let's assume you already have a TNC or TU hooked up to a serial port, so the
question really is: how do you set up LOGCFG.DAT to use the TNC?

I started out from my LOGCFG.DAT file for the CW Sprint. First, you need to
add the following two lines:

DIGITAL MODE ENABLE = TRUE
RTTY PORT = SERIAL 1

assuming your TNC is connected to COM1. As far as I can tell, the RTTY port
in TRLog is fixed at 4800 baud, so you may have to reprogram your TNC's data
rate to match (unless it has an autobaud feature).

You should probably add:

BAND MAP ENABLE = FALSE
VISIBLE DUPESHEET = FALSE

as the TNC incoming and outgoing data uses up the space where either of
these would appear. It may be possible to have two of these windows active
in the same LOGCFG.DAT file, but my guess is that you would have on-screen
interference between the visible dupesheet and the TNC window. In a
multi-mode contest like Field Day, you might want to use the band map in CW
and SSB, and only have the TNC window active in RTTY, but this may be one of
those "rough edges" that only sort of works.

Add:

LEADING ZEROS = 3
LEADING ZERO CHARACTER = 0
SHORT INTEGERS = FALSE

so your serial number exchanges come out as expected (cut numbers or short
integers like ATN for 109 don't make any sense in RTTY). Three-digit serial
numbers take marginally longer than shorter ones, but they are more
predictable and stand out better in noisy conditions.

The next set of changes applies only to the RTTY Sprint, not to other RTTY
contests. This is because you are allowed to work dupes in this contest,
provided there are at least three intervening QSOs in both logs (what I did
during the contest was check whether the call sign was visible in TRLog's
on-screen log window, figuring that if it was, we were too close - that beat
figuring out whether there were 2, 3 or 4 intervening QSOs).

AUTO DUPE ENABLE CQ = FALSE
AUTO DUPE ENABLE S AND P = FALSE
SPACE BAR DUPE CHECK ENABLE = FALSE
DUPE SHEET ENABLE = FALSE

There will also be changes needed to the various memories and messages, but
I'll leave that for the moment. First, we need to make sure that the
hardware setup will work.

3. Checking out the hardware

For various reasons, I run TRLog in a DOS box under Windows 98. I'm not sure
why this is, but many DOS programs (including TRLog and WF1B RTTY) don't
seem to be able to see the serial ports on my machine unless I
"precondition" the ports by running yet another DOS program, Hyperlog,
first. If I don't run Hyperlog first, TRLog will freeze on startup when it
fails to find the radio interface. Sometimes Hyperlog fails on the first
try, too, but somehow a second try with Hyperlog always works, where a
second try with the other programs does not - don't ask me why, ask
Microsoft. If I run a Windows program that uses the com port in question,
then I will have to repeat the preconditioning step before running TRLog.
For all I know, I'm the only person in the world with this particular
problem, but anyway...

Use Alt-M to change modes until you are in digital mode. That switches my
TS-850 into FSK mode. I don't know whether TRLog can support AFSK. (Tree:
would it be possible to implement an option that would put the radio into
either USB or LSB when TRLog is in digital mode, for thsoe who want to use
AFSK?). By the way, for some reason the band up and band down commands
(Alt-B and Alt-V) don't work in digital mode. You can either do your
bandswitching on the radio, or change to CW or SSB to switch bands, then
change back to digital.

If you've got the serial ports working, when you switch the TNC on you
should see something, even if it's only rubbish, in the TNC window. When you
press F10 when TRLog is in digital mode (as distinct from CW or SSB),
anything you type after that is sent to the TNC. This includes the Enter
key, which does not terminate keyboard input (unlike CW). This is a good
thing, because you will probably need to be able to send a carriage return
to the TNC without terminating the keyboard input. The only way to terminate
keyboard input is to press the Esc key (F10 doesn't take you out of keyboard
input).

With my MFJ-1278, after pressing F10 and turning the TNC on, I have to press
Enter a few times to get the TNC to recognize the baud rate. I then enter
the commands needed to put it into the correct configuration: MODE HB, 45 to
select RTTY, RADIO 2 to select the HF radio, and K to take the TNC out of
its command mode, before pressing Esc. Other types of TNC or TU will have
commands with similar functions, as appropriate. You may have to specify the
RTTY SEND STRING and RTTY RECEIVE STRING parameters appropriate to your TNC
as well. The defaults work with the MFJ.

If all this works, you should be able to tune to an RTTY signal and see it
in the TNC window. One very nice feature in TRLog is a small window at the
bottom that shows the same incoming characters in the other figures/letters
mode. This will translate all those annoying TOO PPQ exchanges that happen
when the sent FIGS character is hit by noise into 599 001 and so on.

To transmit, you can just hit F10 and start to type. Press Esc to go back to
receive mode.

4. Programming TRLog's memories

There are two aspects of RTTY that are different from CW and affect how you
program the memories.

The first is that when there is no signal, the other guy's TNC will probably
convert random noise into random characters, or "garble". To separate your
message clearly from the garble, it's a good idea to start and end your
messages with a space or two, or even a carriage return. TRLog ends its
messages with a carriage return, but the RTTYer's habit of ending all
messages with a space and one or two K's is probably not a bad idea either,
in case the CR gets hit by a noise burst. It's also a good idea not to make
your messages too short, or they will be lost in the garble.

The second is that there is no way to identify who sent a message from the
sound alone, as there often is in CW. This suggests that more messages
should include your call sign than would be the case in CW.

In CW, you can begin and end messages with _ to force TRLog to insert a
space. Unfortunately, this doesn't work in RTTY; the _ is passed through to
the TNC, which will probably ignore it (there is no such character in the
Baudot character set). Some of the other special characters used in CW
messages don't work either ( ^, +, <, =, ! and &). The control characters in
Table 3 of the manual seem to work, but the ones to control speed, weight
and various length dits and dahs do not work. They are passed on unchanged
to the TNC, and may have undesired effects, so it is best to remove them
from the programmed messages.

You can insert special characters in CQ MEMORIES F1-F9 and EX MEMORIES F3-F9
by using the <xx> syntax. I have found <20> (space) and <0D> (carriage
return) to be useful. However, these do not work in the "Other" messages
(Alt-P-O menu); they get passed through to the TNC, except for the > which
zeros your radio's RIT.

Some useful messages from my RTTY Sprint config file:

CQ EXCHANGE = DE \ # name state K
(in some software, the DE tags the following word as a call sign, which can
speed up the other guy's response, and the trailing K separates your
exchange from garble. TRLog automatically sends the other station's call
sign and a space before this message.)
S&P EXCHANGE = @ NR # name state DE \ K
QSL MESSAGE = @ QSL DE \ QSY K
(unlike CW, where a simple EE or R or TU will do the job, in the RTTY Sprint
most stations were using some variant on the above QSL message. In a
non-Sprint contest, you would put QRZ? in place of the QSY).
CQ MEMORY F3 = <20>) NR # # name name state state DE \ K
EX MEMORY F3 = <20>@ NR # # name name state state DE \ K

The reason for the last two is that the F2 exchange memory does not work in
TRLog's RTTY mode. That means there is no way to send the REPEAT S&P
EXCHANGE. My solution to this problem was to program it into the F3 memories
as above.

I also programmed short messages to resend the exchange elements into EX
MEMORIES F4-F6, and queries asking for repeats of the same elements into CQ
MEMORIES F4-F6. That took care of most requirements for fills, and you can
take care of the rest (questions in EX mode and fills in CQ mode) with
ALTF4-ALTF6. As usual, in both EX and CQ I used F9 as a general repeat
request.

The default CQ messages in CQ MEMORIES F1 and F2 needed a bit of work. The
Alt-A and Alt-B don't do any harm (they're there for SO2R), but the Alt-F
and Alt-S should be removed, and the ^ changed to a full space.

5. During the Contest

I changed the font in the DOS window to a size that left a bit of room on my
screen (6x10), and substituted single-prescription reading glasses for my
normal varifocals so I could read the computer screen better. Then I opened
up MMTTY and sized its window to fit beside the TRLog window. That gave me
some additional tuning aids, as well as two different decoders working on
the same received signal. Most of the time, if one of them garbled the
incoming signal, the other one supplied the missing information, and if not,
well, that's when you ask for fills.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with the way the computer setup worked (how the
rest of my station works in the Sprint is a different story!), except that I
wish the F2 function key in exchange mode worked the way it does in CW. I'll
probably use this setup again in other RTTY contests where TRLog can handle
the scoring. If there are any with unusual scoring (ANARTS springs to mind),
well, I still have a copy of WF1B RTTY, and I can try to set that up to work
as similarly as possible to TRLog.

6. After the Contest

I had
LOG FREQUENCY ENABLE = TRUE
and
SHOW SEARCH AND POUNCE = TRUE
in my config file, as I find the information they add useful for analysis.

To remove the effects of the first one, I ran POST /L/C and renumbered the
QSOs. I then renamed the original LOG.DAT to LOGFREQ.DAT, and the new
LALLBOTH.DAT to LOG.DAT. Then I ran POST /C to produce the Cabrillo file
LOG.CBR . One tiny fixup: the CONTEST: line in the Cabrillo file produced by
POST read NA-SPRINT-RY. There is no name specified for this contest in the
official Cabrillo spec, but the WT4I Cabrillo tools software uses
NA-SPRINT-RTTY, as does some of my own log processing software, so I edited
the file to make this change.

To get my contest log into my general station log, I used two more programs.
CBRFRFIX puts the frequency information from LOGFREQ.DAT back into the
Cabrillo file, and CBR2ADIF converts the Cabrillo file into ADIF, while
adding a few fields that aren't in the Cabrillo file. These programs are at
http://www.storm.ca/~ve3iay/cbr2adif.html, if anyone is interested. The
version of CBR2ADIF that was at that site before this morning doesn't handle
the received name properly in the RTTY NA Sprint, but that bug has now been
fixed.

If you're still reading, I hope you found some interesting tidbits in this
message.

73,
Rich VE3IAY



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--=====================_106741646==_.ALT-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From jimsmith@home.com Mon Oct 15 05:02:22 2001 From: jimsmith@home.com (Jim Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:02:22 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011014220859.038793e8@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <3BCA5FCE.9DD25357@home.com> Hi Gil, > > In SSB it is not even a close race. You can do a SSB contest > without ever speaking a word. You can do this with TRLog and I do. 73 de Jim Smith VE7FO -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From k6xx@arrl.net Mon Oct 15 06:08:02 2001 From: k6xx@arrl.net (Bob Wolbert, K6XX) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 22:08:02 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] Re: Logging DX stations in CQP In-Reply-To: <200110132155.OAA18179@loja.kkn.net> Message-ID: <000001c15537$5da15160$6eccefd1@26k-notebook> I must make a correction/retraction. I wasn't actually "disqualified". However, my log was pushed aside for further study, and was never entered into the system. We exchanged e-mail about it, but nothing further happened and it did not appear in the results. The problem would not have occurred if the QTH column was filled correctly--whatever "correctly" means. Yes, entering "DL" for several stations is a bit redundant, however so is "599" in most every other contest... yet it is a published requirement. Last week's CQP discussion (not on this reflector) said QSOs without the QTH column filled in would not be accepted. I see this policy has now been softened. 73 de Bob, K6XX k6xx@arrl.net www.k6xx.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-trlog@contesting.com [mailto:owner-trlog@contesting.com]On Behalf Of Tree N6TR Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 2:55 PM To: k6xx@arrl.net; trlog@contesting.com Subject: RE: [TRLog] Re: Logging DX stations in CQP > This IS a serious problem for California stations running TR-Log in CQP. My > log WAS disqualified last year due to excessive DX QSOs without having the > proper country identifier. You won't find me listed in the results at all... > and I was president of the sponsoring club(!) at the time. I find this very discouraging. At no time was I aware anything like this was happening. At no time did anyone tell me that the situation had changed. Requiring someone to enter the prefix of a DX country is pretty trivial - as there really isn't any more information than there already is with the callsign. To DQ stations for this is unresponsible. If I HAVE to fix this, I guess I will find a way, but first, I have to understand if a political solution isn't possible. Tree -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From gbaron@home.com Mon Oct 15 12:08:59 2001 From: gbaron@home.com (Gil Baron) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 06:08:59 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) In-Reply-To: <3BCA5FCE.9DD25357@home.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011014220859.038793e8@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011015060611.03869008@pop3.norton.antivirus> --=====================_135373727==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 21:02 10/14/2001, Jim Smith wrote: >Hi Gil, > > > > > In SSB it is not even a close race. You can do a SSB contest > > without ever speaking a word. > >You can do this with TRLog and I do. I realize that is true BUT it is in DOS and if you have a PCI sound card it is going to be VERY hard. With WriteLog you can do it with any windows card. It uses the windows sound system. I have the dos sound synthesizer system set up on TRLOG but am not happy with having to run DOS. Remember, I am running WIN2000 and DOS shall never again darken my system, nor will WIN98. I made the break and have destroyed most of my dos programs. I do keep TRLOG. There may be times I will still use ti , but not likely. >73 de Jim Smith VE7FO > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog >Submissions: trlog@contesting.com >Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com >Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html Gil Baron http://members.home.com/gbaron W0MN 44.08208 N 92.51263 W 1055' "Baila como nadie te ve" --=====================_135373727==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 21:02 10/14/2001, Jim Smith wrote:

Hi Gil,

>
> In SSB it is not even a close race. You can do a SSB contest
> without ever speaking a word.

You can do this with TRLog and I do.


I realize that is true BUT it is in DOS and if you have a PCI sound card it is going to be VERY hard. With WriteLog you can do it with any windows card. It uses the windows sound system.
I have the dos sound synthesizer system set up on TRLOG but am not happy with having to run DOS. Remember, I am running WIN2000 and DOS shall never again darken my system, nor will WIN98. I made the break and have destroyed most of my dos programs. I do keep TRLOG. There may be times I will still use ti , but not likely.



73 de Jim Smith VE7FO

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Add more for packet/multi/rotator. 73! -- Juhan, ES5QX -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From clive@gw3njw.fsworld.co.uk Mon Oct 15 14:44:33 2001 From: clive@gw3njw.fsworld.co.uk (Clive Whelan) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:44:33 +0100 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011015060611.03869008@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: Gil Baron wrote: > I made the break and have destroyed most of my dos programs. > I do keep TRLOG. There may be times I will still use ti , but > not likely. > Me too, and that from the perspective of a DOS dinosaur! I also migrated concurrently to Writelog, and it is becoming harder to revert to TR. Mostly I modify an existing module, and massage the log post contest. There is no question that TR still has the superior functionality for CW ( I cannot speak for SSB or RTTY), but my 8ftx6ft shack is just too small for a separate DOS machine, and my 200Mhz Pentium is pretty marginal for running e.g. Logic5 as the day to day logging prog. TR also has by far the better vendor support, and from a genuine CW contest op, which is *not* available in WL. I therefore believe that it was a disaster when the project to port TR to Windows foundered. I hope I am not being too cynical in opining that from that very point TR seems to have stagnated, and I believe there have been no updates since that time. From the p.o.v. of a life subscriber, that is rather disappointing. I would certainly urge Tree to try to resurrect the Windows project and all of you guys to encourage him so to do. 73 Clive GW3NJW gw3njw@gw7x.org Contest Cambria-http://www.gw7x.org -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From gbaron@home.com Mon Oct 15 15:00:28 2001 From: gbaron@home.com (Gil Baron) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:00:28 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011015060611.03869008@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011015085600.038257c8@pop3.norton.antivirus> --=====================_145662501==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 14:44 10/15/2001, Clive Whelan wrote: >Gil Baron wrote: > > > > I made the break and have destroyed most of my dos programs. > > I do keep TRLOG. There may be times I will still use ti , but > > not likely. > > > > >Me too, and that from the perspective of a DOS dinosaur! > >I also migrated concurrently to Writelog, and it is becoming >harder to revert to TR. Mostly I modify an existing module, and >massage the log post contest. > >There is no question that TR still has the superior >functionality for CW ( I cannot speak for SSB or RTTY), but my >8ftx6ft shack is just too small for a separate DOS machine, and >my 200Mhz Pentium is pretty marginal for running e.g. Logic5 as >the day to day logging prog. TR also has by far the better >vendor support, and from a genuine CW contest op, which is *not* >available in WL. What are you referring to here. I tend to think it is better for CW too, but marginally. Yes, the lack of a windows version was the last straw. I am glad I was not a life subscriber! If he came out with a windows version that had all of the functionality of the dos version, well I would reconsider. I have complained over and over to him that the lack of a windows version would kill TRLOG and I think it is only a matter of time. Soon there will be no machines to run it on. I also realize that it is a HUGE project to port to Windows. It is one that I cannot blame him for if he does not want to undertake it. It is very unlikely that he would make enough to justify his time. >I therefore believe that it was a disaster when the project to >port TR to Windows foundered. I hope I am not being too cynical >in opining that from that very point TR seems to have stagnated, >and I believe there have been no updates since that time. From >the p.o.v. of a life subscriber, that is rather disappointing. I >would certainly urge Tree to try to resurrect the Windows >project and all of you guys to encourage him so to do. > > >73 > > >Clive >GW3NJW >gw3njw@gw7x.org >Contest Cambria-http://www.gw7x.org > > > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog >Submissions: trlog@contesting.com >Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com >Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html Gil Baron http://members.home.com/gbaron W0MN 44.08208 N 92.51263 W 1055' "Baila como nadie te ve" --=====================_145662501==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 14:44 10/15/2001, Clive Whelan wrote:

Gil Baron wrote:


> I made the break and have destroyed most of my dos programs.
> I do keep TRLOG. There may be times I will still use ti , but
> not likely.
>


Me too, and that from the perspective of a DOS dinosaur!

I also migrated concurrently to Writelog, and it is becoming
harder to revert to TR. Mostly I modify an existing module, and
massage the log post contest.

There is no question that TR still has the superior
functionality for CW ( I cannot speak for SSB or RTTY), but my
8ftx6ft shack is just too small for a separate DOS machine, and
my 200Mhz Pentium is pretty marginal for running e.g. Logic5 as
the day to day logging prog. TR also has by far the better
vendor support, and from a genuine CW contest op, which is *not*
available in WL.


What are you referring to here. I tend to think it is better for CW too, but marginally.


Yes, the lack of a windows version was the last straw. I am glad I was not a life subscriber!
If he came out with a windows version that had all of the functionality of the dos version, well I would reconsider.
I have complained over and over to him that the lack of a windows version would kill TRLOG and I think it is only a matter of time. Soon there will be no machines to run it on.

I also realize that it is a HUGE project to port to Windows. It is one that I cannot blame him for if he does not want to undertake it. It is very unlikely that he would make enough to justify his time.


I therefore believe that it was a disaster when the project to
port TR to Windows foundered. I hope I am not being too cynical
in opining that from that very point TR seems to have stagnated,
and I believe there have been no updates since that time. From
the p.o.v. of a life subscriber, that is rather disappointing. I
would certainly urge Tree to try to resurrect the Windows
project and all of you guys to encourage him so to do.


73


Clive
GW3NJW
gw3njw@gw7x.org
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From The most recent update was 19 August 2001. See: http://www.qth.com/tr/revhistory.html > the p.o.v. of a life subscriber, that is rather disappointing. I > would certainly urge Tree to try to resurrect the Windows > project and all of you guys to encourage him so to do. The proposed port of TR Log to Windows would have been done by W4PC and others at Creative Services Software - not by Tree. W4PC did a little research and concluded that TR Log users would not be likely to switch from a stable, feature-rich product on a real-time OS to something that (at least for a while would be) a developing, feature-poor product on an unstable OS. You could argue that a better market to target would be those who are not already invested in TR Log, but nonetheless, that's why W4PC claims to have dropped the project. See: http://lists.contesting.com/_trlog/200105/msg00005.html http://lists.contesting.com/_trlog/200105/msg00057.html http://lists.contesting.com/_trlog/200106/msg00026.html -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth E. Harker "Vox Clamantis in Deserto" kharker@cs.utexas.edu University of Texas at Austin Amateur Radio Callsign: WM5R Department of the Computer Sciences President, UT Amateur Radio Club Taylor Hall TAY 2.124 Maintainer of Linux on Laptops Austin, TX 78712-1188 USA http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From kharker@cs.utexas.edu Mon Oct 15 15:55:30 2001 From: kharker@cs.utexas.edu (Kenneth E. Harker) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:55:30 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011015085600.038257c8@pop3.norton.antivirus>; from Gil Baron on Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 09:00:28AM -0500 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011015060611.03869008@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.1.0.14.0.20011015085600.038257c8@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <20011015095529.B31314@cs.utexas.edu> On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 09:00:28AM -0500, Gil Baron wrote: > I have complained over and over to him that the lack of a windows version > would kill TRLOG and I think it is only a matter of time. Soon there will > be no machines to run it on. So, can you go out today and buy a computer that can't run a DOS program? I suppose. I mean, there are all those Macintosh computers. And Palms and Visors... There's still an active market for Tandy Model 100 computers that you haven't been able to buy new for well over a decade. I think it will be a _long_ time before DOS-capable machines are extinct. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth E. Harker "Vox Clamantis in Deserto" kharker@cs.utexas.edu University of Texas at Austin Amateur Radio Callsign: WM5R Department of the Computer Sciences President, UT Amateur Radio Club Taylor Hall TAY 2.124 Maintainer of Linux on Laptops Austin, TX 78712-1188 USA http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From gbaron@home.com Mon Oct 15 15:59:29 2001 From: gbaron@home.com (Gil Baron) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:59:29 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) In-Reply-To: <20011015094747.A31314@cs.utexas.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011015060611.03869008@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011015095349.0389d288@pop3.norton.antivirus> --=====================_149203082==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:47 10/15/2001, Kenneth E. Harker wrote: >On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 02:44:33PM +0100, Clive Whelan wrote: > > > > I therefore believe that it was a disaster when the project to > > port TR to Windows foundered. I hope I am not being too cynical > > in opining that from that very point TR seems to have stagnated, > > and I believe there have been no updates since that time. From > >The most recent update was 19 August 2001. See: >http://www.qth.com/tr/revhistory.html > > > the p.o.v. of a life subscriber, that is rather disappointing. I > > would certainly urge Tree to try to resurrect the Windows > > project and all of you guys to encourage him so to do. > >The proposed port of TR Log to Windows would have been done by W4PC and >others at Creative Services Software - not by Tree. W4PC did a little >research and concluded that TR Log users would not be likely to switch >from a stable, feature-rich product on a real-time OS to something that >(at least for a while would be) a developing, feature-poor product on an >unstable OS. You could argue that a better market to target would be >those who are not already invested in TR Log, but nonetheless, that's >why W4PC claims to have dropped the project. With WIN XP and WIN2000 it would be just as stable as the DOS version and the lack of features you write about could be handled by other programs. The Multitasking is a big advantage here.\ Yes, it would probably start out with a lack of some esoteric features or TRLOG but if the main features were done it would be used and the market would be larger than that of DOS. It would be better to have a somewhat cut down version for windows and still have the program live than have NOTHING which is what we WILL HAVE in time. It is unavoidable, TRLOG and most other programs that are DOS only will die. OTOH as I said before, it may not be economically justified to do the development. IT would take one like Tree who is not in it only for the money. I do believe that TRLOG is a labor of love for Tree as much as anything else. >See: >http://lists.contesting.com/_trlog/200105/msg00005.html >http://lists.contesting.com/_trlog/200105/msg00057.html >http://lists.contesting.com/_trlog/200106/msg00026.html > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Kenneth E. Harker "Vox Clamantis in Deserto" kharker@cs.utexas.edu >University of Texas at Austin Amateur Radio Callsign: WM5R >Department of the Computer Sciences President, UT Amateur Radio Club >Taylor Hall TAY 2.124 Maintainer of Linux on Laptops >Austin, TX 78712-1188 USA http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/ >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog >Submissions: trlog@contesting.com >Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com >Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html Gil Baron http://members.home.com/gbaron W0MN 44.08208 N 92.51263 W 1055' "Baila como nadie te ve" --=====================_149203082==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 09:47 10/15/2001, Kenneth E. Harker wrote:

On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 02:44:33PM +0100, Clive Whelan wrote:
>
> I therefore believe that it was a disaster when the project to
> port TR to Windows foundered. I hope I am not being too cynical
> in opining that from that very point TR seems to have stagnated,
> and I believe there have been no updates since that time. From

The most recent update was 19 August 2001.  See:
http://www.qth.com/tr/revhistory.html

> the p.o.v. of a life subscriber, that is rather disappointing. I
> would certainly urge Tree to try to resurrect the Windows
> project and all of you guys to encourage him so to do.

The proposed port of TR Log to Windows would have been done by W4PC and
others at Creative Services Software - not by Tree.  W4PC did a little
research and concluded that TR Log users would not be likely to switch
from a stable, feature-rich product on a real-time OS to something that
(at least for a while would be) a developing, feature-poor product on an
unstable OS.  You could argue that a better market to target would be
those who are not already invested in TR Log, but nonetheless, that's
why W4PC claims to have dropped the project.

With WIN XP and WIN2000 it would be just as stable as the DOS version and the lack of features you write about could be handled by other programs. The Multitasking is a big advantage here.\

Yes, it would probably start out with a lack of some esoteric features or TRLOG but if the main features were done it would be used and the market would be larger than that of DOS.

It would be better to have a somewhat cut down version for windows and still have the program live than have NOTHING which is what we WILL HAVE in time. It is unavoidable, TRLOG and most other programs that are DOS only will die.

OTOH as I said before, it may not be economically justified to do the development. IT would take one like Tree who is not in it only for the money. I do believe that TRLOG is a labor of love for Tree as much as anything else.



See:
http://lists.contesting.com/_trlog/200105/msg00005.html
http://lists.contesting.com/_trlog/200105/msg00057.html
http://lists.contesting.com/_trlog/200106/msg00026.html

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--=====================_149203082==_.ALT-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From tree@kkn.net Mon Oct 15 17:32:40 2001 From: tree@kkn.net (Tree N6TR) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:32:40 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) Message-ID: <200110151632.JAA05395@loja.kkn.net> > It would be better to have a somewhat cut down version for windows and > still have the program live than have NOTHING which is what we WILL HAVE in > time. It is unavoidable, TRLOG and most other programs that are DOS only > will die. > > OTOH as I said before, it may not be economically justified to do the > development. IT would take one like Tree who is not in it only for the > money. I do believe that TRLOG is a labor of love for Tree as much as > anything else. There are very few people who are smart enough to write software for windows - yet dumb enough to waste that effort on something like contest logging. Maybe when I retire - in about 15 years, I will have time to think about this - but it is more likely that someone else will have to do it. I don't pretend to be a windows programmer - and doubt I will have the motivation to become one. As far as machines that run DOS - from my vantage point at Intel, I see DOS being always supported by the BIOS. Nothing that is coming along would remove the backward compatability of the BIOS. In fact, all of the BIOS engineers here at Intel rely heavily on DOS for their day-to-day work. Probably the lack of legacy serial ports is a bigger worry than DOS. I agree having the program bundled as a windows program would be great. That isn't the issue here. As far as RTTY - TR is not trying to pretend to be a great RTTY program. In fact, I came really close to not letting anyone know it did RTTY tests. Instead, the intent was to open up this mode for people who needed something to do RTTY - and wouldn't otherwise go out and get one of the "real" RTTY packages (this describes my personal situation exactly). Most of the RTTY coding was done during the first half of real RTTY contests - and tested during the second half. I think it is great that some people have given it a try and published their results here on the list. I will try to add the features they identify as being major obstacles. Over the past 9 months, I have been involved in a job transition here at Intel. This has essentially required me to work two jobs at once and it aas left even less time for ham radio and even my family. Also, we moved to a new building, which is about 20 minutes furture from my house, so I have lost the "morning opening" on e-mail before I leave home. I am glad to say that a major product milestone was achieved on Friday and things will start slacking off a little. I still have about 300 e-mails with bugs and enhancements to plow through. Some of them are over a year old. I hope to make some progress on that list during the next couple of months. Finally, I am working on a technical solution to the CQP problem with DX stations. Hopefully, I can find a way to allow the DX prefixes from the CTY.DAT file to be printed in the QTH received field. AD6E has assured me that nobody is losing any QSOs because of this. See you in the SS CW from Louisiana. 73 Tree -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From LogWindows@aol.com Mon Oct 15 17:54:04 2001 From: LogWindows@aol.com (LogWindows@aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:54:04 EDT Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) Message-ID: <128.60ee118.28fc6eac@aol.com> Ken, This is NOT what I said. First, Windows is a stable O/S, much more stable than dos. In my previous life, I wrote Operating System code for The Software Link, on the Multiuser/Multitasking version of DOS called PC-MOS. From that experience, and my time with Microsoft and my friends at Microsoft, I do know that both the 9X and NT based versions of Windows are much better code than DOS ever was. Second, the goal would have been to create a functionality equivalent of TRLog for the Windows O/S. While some features would be changed (i.e networking, etc), it would just take time to have a full featured version. The reason we didn't proceed with the project is that after I compiled the results of the survey, most users wanted a DOS version of TRLog that worked well under Windows. Many of the users didn't want to pay one dime for the Windows upgrade, even though I was going to invest over $100,000 to do it. Also, Tree would have gotten a royalty and W4SCO (owner of Log Windows) would have gotten a royalty from each sale (as they should), so I didn't see any way to repay the investment or even look at making a profit, if the current userbase wanted the Windows version for free or didn't want it all. And if any if you think that there is a profit in writing ham software, you may want to rethink you assumptions. :) The ham market is such a tiny market, even as compared to hobby markets like Stage Magic and woodworking. Rick - W4PC In a message dated 10/15/2001 9:48:27 AM Central Daylight Time, kharker@cs.utexas.edu writes: > The proposed port of TR Log to Windows would have been done by W4PC and > others at Creative Services Software - not by Tree. W4PC did a little > research and concluded that TR Log users would not be likely to switch > from a stable, feature-rich product on a real-time OS to something that > (at least for a while would be) a developing, feature-poor product on an > unstable OS. You could argue that a better market to target would be > those who are not already invested in TR Log, but nonetheless, that's > why W4PC claims to have dropped the project. > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From gbaron@home.com Mon Oct 15 18:02:53 2001 From: gbaron@home.com (Gil Baron) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:02:53 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) In-Reply-To: <20011015095529.B31314@cs.utexas.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011015085600.038257c8@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.1.0.14.0.20011015060611.03869008@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.1.0.14.0.20011015085600.038257c8@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011015120014.03887e30@pop3.norton.antivirus> --=====================_156606428==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:55 10/15/2001, Kenneth E. Harker wrote: >On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 09:00:28AM -0500, Gil Baron wrote: > > > I have complained over and over to him that the lack of a windows version > > would kill TRLOG and I think it is only a matter of time. Soon there will > > be no machines to run it on. > >So, can you go out today and buy a computer that can't run a DOS program? >I suppose. I mean, there are all those Macintosh computers. And Palms and >Visors... > >There's still an active market for Tandy Model 100 computers that you haven't >been able to buy new for well over a decade. I think it will be a _long_ >time before DOS-capable machines are extinct. Dos machines will not be extinct i=until all that you can buy are 64 bit machines. That 9is not as far off as you may think. They won't be gone but they will e hard to find and will have little or no support. Why should I be forced to boot to DOS and only get to run the one program? It makes no sense. My Spot program is gone, My call book is gone, My Network is gone, My PCI sound card is gone, no thanks. YES I know it is possible to find drivers for these that may work in dos. It is just not wroth it. >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Kenneth E. Harker "Vox Clamantis in Deserto" kharker@cs.utexas.edu >University of Texas at Austin Amateur Radio Callsign: WM5R >Department of the Computer Sciences President, UT Amateur Radio Club >Taylor Hall TAY 2.124 Maintainer of Linux on Laptops >Austin, TX 78712-1188 USA http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/ >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog >Submissions: trlog@contesting.com >Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com >Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html Gil Baron http://members.home.com/gbaron W0MN 44.08208 N 92.51263 W 1055' "Baila como nadie te ve" --=====================_156606428==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 09:55 10/15/2001, Kenneth E. Harker wrote:

On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 09:00:28AM -0500, Gil Baron wrote:

> I have complained over and over to him that the lack of a windows version
> would kill TRLOG and I think it is only a matter of time. Soon there will
> be no machines to run it on.

So, can you go out today and buy a computer that can't run a DOS program?
I suppose.  I mean, there are all those Macintosh computers.  And Palms and
Visors... 
 
There's still an active market for Tandy Model 100 computers that you haven't
been able to buy new for well over a decade.  I think it will be a _long_
time before DOS-capable machines are extinct.

Dos machines will not be extinct i=until all that you can buy are 64 bit machines. That 9is not as far off as you may think. They won't be gone but they will e hard to find and will have little or no support.
Why should I be forced to boot to DOS and only get to run the one program? It makes no sense.

My Spot program is gone, My call book is gone, My Network is gone, My PCI sound card is gone, no thanks.
YES I know it is possible to find drivers for these that may work in dos. It is just not wroth it.




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"Baila como nadie te ve"
--=====================_156606428==_.ALT-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From gbaron@home.com Mon Oct 15 18:09:13 2001 From: gbaron@home.com (Gil Baron) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:09:13 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) In-Reply-To: <200110151632.JAA05395@loja.kkn.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011015120507.00acbc68@pop3.norton.antivirus> --=====================_156986554==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Tree; I have to agree with everything that you say. I do no have any bone to pick with you. It is just that it is not practical for me the way I use my systems to boot to dos just ot run one program. I may be forced to from time to time , but I do not like it. I also can see your point about what happens with dos things at your work. DOS will eventually have to go when all machines are 64 bit as I don't think anyone is going to write dos to support that. If it had not been for TRLOG I would not have had a Contest logger these years and niter would anyone else have had what TRLOG has so nicely provided. Everyone should appreciate the effort that you have put on this. I have my doubts it has made you rich, unless you invested all the returns in the right thing from day one. :-) AND GOT OUT BEFORE APRIL. ;-) At 09:32 10/15/2001, Tree N6TR wrote: > > It would be better to have a somewhat cut down version for windows and > > still have the program live than have NOTHING which is what we WILL > HAVE in > > time. It is unavoidable, TRLOG and most other programs that are DOS only > > will die. > > > > OTOH as I said before, it may not be economically justified to do the > > development. IT would take one like Tree who is not in it only for the > > money. I do believe that TRLOG is a labor of love for Tree as much as > > anything else. > >There are very few people who are smart enough to write software for >windows - yet dumb enough to waste that effort on something like >contest logging. > >Maybe when I retire - in about 15 years, I will have time to think >about this - but it is more likely that someone else will have to >do it. I don't pretend to be a windows programmer - and doubt I >will have the motivation to become one. > >As far as machines that run DOS - from my vantage point at Intel, >I see DOS being always supported by the BIOS. Nothing that is >coming along would remove the backward compatability of the BIOS. >In fact, all of the BIOS engineers here at Intel rely heavily on >DOS for their day-to-day work. Probably the lack of legacy serial >ports is a bigger worry than DOS. > >I agree having the program bundled as a windows program would be >great. That isn't the issue here. > >As far as RTTY - TR is not trying to pretend to be a great RTTY >program. In fact, I came really close to not letting anyone know >it did RTTY tests. Instead, the intent was to open up this mode >for people who needed something to do RTTY - and wouldn't otherwise >go out and get one of the "real" RTTY packages (this describes my >personal situation exactly). Most of the RTTY coding was done >during the first half of real RTTY contests - and tested during >the second half. > >I think it is great that some people have given it a try and >published their results here on the list. I will try to add >the features they identify as being major obstacles. > >Over the past 9 months, I have been involved in a job transition >here at Intel. This has essentially required me to work two jobs >at once and it aas left even less time for ham radio and even my >family. Also, we moved to a new building, which is about 20 minutes >furture from my house, so I have lost the "morning opening" on >e-mail before I leave home. > >I am glad to say that a major product milestone was achieved on >Friday and things will start slacking off a little. > >I still have about 300 e-mails with bugs and enhancements to plow >through. Some of them are over a year old. I hope to make some >progress on that list during the next couple of months. > >Finally, I am working on a technical solution to the CQP problem with >DX stations. Hopefully, I can find a way to allow the DX prefixes from >the CTY.DAT file to be printed in the QTH received field. AD6E has >assured me that nobody is losing any QSOs because of this. > >See you in the SS CW from Louisiana. > >73 Tree > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog >Submissions: trlog@contesting.com >Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com >Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html Gil Baron http://members.home.com/gbaron W0MN 44.08208 N 92.51263 W 1055' "Baila como nadie te ve" --=====================_156986554==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Tree;
I have to agree with everything that you say. I do no have any bone to pick with you. It is just that it is not practical for me the way I use my systems to boot to dos just ot run one program. I may be forced to from time to time , but I do not like it.
I also can see your point about what happens with dos things at your work.

DOS will eventually have to go when all machines are 64 bit as I don't think anyone is going to write dos to support that.

If it had not been for TRLOG I would not have had a Contest logger these years and niter would anyone else have had what TRLOG has so nicely provided.
Everyone should appreciate the effort that you have put on this. I have my doubts it has made you rich, unless you invested all the returns in the right thing from day one. :-) AND GOT OUT BEFORE APRIL. ;-)




At 09:32 10/15/2001, Tree N6TR wrote:

> It would be better to have a somewhat cut down version for windows and
> still have the program live than have NOTHING which is what we WILL HAVE in
> time. It is unavoidable, TRLOG and most other programs that are DOS only
> will die.
>
> OTOH as I said before, it may not be economically justified to do the
> development. IT would take one like Tree who is not in it only for the
> money. I do believe that TRLOG is a labor of love for Tree as much as
> anything else.

There are very few people who are smart enough to write software for
windows - yet dumb enough to waste that effort on something like
contest logging.

Maybe when I retire - in about 15 years, I will have time to think
about this - but it is more likely that someone else will have to
do it.  I don't pretend to be a windows programmer - and doubt I
will have the motivation to become one.

As far as machines that run DOS - from my vantage point at Intel,
I see DOS being always supported by the BIOS.  Nothing that is
coming along would remove the backward compatability of the BIOS.
In fact, all of the BIOS engineers here at Intel rely heavily on
DOS for their day-to-day work.  Probably the lack of legacy serial
ports is a bigger worry than DOS.

I agree having the program bundled as a windows program would be
great.  That isn't the issue here.

As far as RTTY - TR is not trying to pretend to be a great RTTY
program.  In fact, I came really close to not letting anyone know
it did RTTY tests.  Instead, the intent was to open up this mode
for people who needed something to do RTTY - and wouldn't otherwise
go out and get one of the "real" RTTY packages (this describes my
personal situation exactly).  Most of the RTTY coding was done
during the first half of real RTTY contests - and tested during
the second half.

I think it is great that some people have given it a try and
published their results here on the list.  I will try to add
the features they identify as being major obstacles. 

Over the past 9 months, I have been involved in a job transition
here at Intel.  This has essentially required me to work two jobs
at once and it aas left even less time for ham radio and even my
family.  Also, we moved to a new building, which is about 20 minutes
furture from my house, so I have lost the "morning opening" on
e-mail before I leave home.

I am glad to say that a major product milestone was achieved on
Friday and things will start slacking off a little.

I still have about 300 e-mails with bugs and enhancements to plow
through.  Some of them are over a year old.  I hope to make some
progress on that list during the next couple of months.

Finally, I am working on a technical solution to the CQP problem with
DX stations.  Hopefully, I can find a way to allow the DX prefixes from
the CTY.DAT file to be printed in the QTH received field.  AD6E has
assured me that nobody is losing any QSOs because of this. 

See you in the SS CW from Louisiana.

73 Tree

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--=====================_156986554==_.ALT-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From gbaron@home.com Mon Oct 15 18:12:57 2001 From: gbaron@home.com (Gil Baron) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:12:57 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) In-Reply-To: <128.60ee118.28fc6eac@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011015121032.038aec60@pop3.norton.antivirus> --=====================_157210687==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:54 10/15/2001, LogWindows@aol.com wrote: >Ken, > >This is NOT what I said. > >First, Windows is a stable O/S, much more stable than dos. In my previous >life, I wrote Operating System code for The Software Link, on the >Multiuser/Multitasking version of DOS called PC-MOS. From that experience, >and my time with Microsoft and my friends at Microsoft, I do know that both >the 9X and NT based versions of Windows are much better code than DOS ever >was. > >Second, the goal would have been to create a functionality equivalent of >TRLog for the Windows O/S. While some features would be changed (i.e >networking, etc), it would just take time to have a full featured version. > >The reason we didn't proceed with the project is that after I compiled the >results of the survey, most users wanted a DOS version of TRLog that worked >well under Windows. Many of the users didn't want to pay one dime for the >Windows upgrade, even though I was going to invest over $100,000 to do it. > >Also, Tree would have gotten a royalty and W4SCO (owner of Log Windows) would >have gotten a royalty from each sale (as they should), so I didn't see any >way to repay the investment or even look at making a profit, if the current >userbase wanted the Windows version for free or didn't want it all. > >And if any if you think that there is a profit in writing ham software, you >may want to rethink you assumptions. :) The ham market is such a tiny >market, even as compared to hobby markets like Stage Magic and woodworking. > >Rick - W4PC Everything you say hear is true and it is too bad. I would have aid up to 100 dollars for a fully functional windows version of TRLOG and been happy to do it. I know many would not. They are crazy and it is that attitude that has killed it. Instead, I had to pay the fee nearly that high for WriteLog and learn a new program. >In a message dated 10/15/2001 9:48:27 AM Central Daylight Time, >kharker@cs.utexas.edu writes: > > > The proposed port of TR Log to Windows would have been done by W4PC and > > others at Creative Services Software - not by Tree. W4PC did a little > > research and concluded that TR Log users would not be likely to switch > > from a stable, feature-rich product on a real-time OS to something that > > (at least for a while would be) a developing, feature-poor product on an > > unstable OS. You could argue that a better market to target would be > > those who are not already invested in TR Log, but nonetheless, that's > > why W4PC claims to have dropped the project. > > > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog >Submissions: trlog@contesting.com >Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com >Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html Gil Baron http://members.home.com/gbaron W0MN 44.08208 N 92.51263 W 1055' "Baila como nadie te ve" --=====================_157210687==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 12:54 10/15/2001, LogWindows@aol.com wrote:

Ken,

This is NOT what I said.

First, Windows is a stable O/S, much more stable than dos. In my previous
life, I wrote Operating System code for The Software Link, on the
Multiuser/Multitasking version of DOS called PC-MOS. From that experience,
and my time with Microsoft and my friends at Microsoft, I do know that both
the 9X and NT based versions of Windows are much better code than DOS ever
was.

Second, the goal would have been to create a functionality equivalent of
TRLog for the Windows O/S. While some features would be changed (i.e
networking, etc), it would just take time to have a full featured version.

The reason we didn't proceed with the project is that after I compiled the
results of the survey, most users wanted a DOS version of TRLog that worked
well under Windows. Many of the users didn't want to pay one dime for the
Windows upgrade, even though I was going to invest over $100,000 to do it. 

Also, Tree would have gotten a royalty and W4SCO (owner of Log Windows) would
have gotten a royalty from each sale (as they should), so I didn't see any
way to repay the investment or even look at making a profit, if the current
userbase wanted the Windows version for free or didn't want it all.

And if any if you think that there is a profit in writing ham software, you
may want to rethink you assumptions.  :) The ham market is such a tiny
market, even as compared to hobby markets like Stage Magic and woodworking.

Rick - W4PC


Everything you say hear is true and it is too bad. I would have aid up to 100 dollars for a fully functional windows version of TRLOG and been happy to do it. I know many would not. They are crazy and it is that attitude that has killed it.
Instead, I had to pay the fee nearly that high for WriteLog and learn a new program.






In a message dated 10/15/2001 9:48:27 AM Central Daylight Time,
kharker@cs.utexas.edu writes:

> The proposed port of TR Log to Windows would have been done by W4PC and
>  others at Creative Services Software - not by Tree.  W4PC did a little
>  research and concluded that TR Log users would not be likely to switch
>  from a stable, feature-rich product on a real-time OS to something that
>  (at least for a while would be) a developing, feature-poor product on an
>  unstable OS.  You could argue that a better market to target would be
>  those who are not already invested in TR Log, but nonetheless, that's
>  why W4PC claims to have dropped the project.
> 

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--=====================_157210687==_.ALT-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From w4zw@home.com Mon Oct 15 18:55:22 2001 From: w4zw@home.com (Jon, W4ZW) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:55:22 -0400 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) In-Reply-To: <007301c1551c$217beee0$6400a8c0@workstation1> Message-ID: <003001c155a2$9046da70$0300005a@XW401> TRLog is still the best CW contest logging program. Writelog, as do most of the other Windows based programs, has timing issues with high speed CW under WIN2000 and WIN9x. On older machines, there is even choppy CW with WIN9x with WriteLog. I run Win2000 (My favorite), NT, and various flavors of Windows 9x here. I am able to run TRLog in a DOS window in the WIN9x OS based machines, but WIN2000/NT will not relinquish controls of the IO ports to support full high speed CW. It will send CW but with segments of choppiness that is annoying. Cheap WIN9x/DOS machines are great for contesting. I don't worry about patches, hardware updates, and virus protection. I only use the systems with the radios and that's great as for as I'm concerned. My 2 cents. Jon Hamlet, W4ZW Casey Key Island, FL "A little bit of Paradise in the Gulf of Mexico" -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From clive@gw3njw.fsworld.co.uk Mon Oct 15 20:39:24 2001 From: clive@gw3njw.fsworld.co.uk (Clive Whelan) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:39:24 +0100 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) In-Reply-To: <128.60ee118.28fc6eac@aol.com> Message-ID: > most users wanted a DOS version of TRLog that worked > well under Windows. Many of the users didn't want to pay one dime for the > Windows upgrade > The first part is unquestionably true, and hardly needed market research to prove it. I *never* want to pay a penny for upgrades to software, I moan and bitch about it all the time, but I *do* of course I do, otherwise I'd be back to the abacus. I am pretty much convinced that a substantial majority of TR users would pay for a Windows version of TR-I certainly would, even though I've paid for WL-, perhaps not overnight, but that's what R&D and marketing are all about. Tree, I think you overestimate the difficulty of Windows programming in these days of "Visual" tools. If a dummy like me can write even the simplest of programmes in VB, then you should be able to take over the world! Perhaps VB is not really the way to go, although the very creditable N1MM Logger is entirely in VB, and runs quite satisfactorily on my 200Mhz Pentium, even producing solid CW keying without glitches in any environment in which I have tested it. No doubt being a Pascal freak, you would wish to go the Delphi route, but I am not convinced that recourse to C++ is mandatory, which is a pig of a language for the uninitiated. Ultimately the way to go for solid CW in all situations of course is the hardware route, and e.g. the W5XD keyer/SO2R box does an admirable job for WL. Routines for driving this are provided in C++ and may be freely incorporated into other progs. with appropriate acknowledgements in "About" files etc. I suspect that these routines could be compiled and built as a .dll in C++ for incorporation into progs written in other languages. C'mon Tree we really need a Windows TR, you *can* do it. 73 Clive GW3NJW gw3njw@gw7x.org Contest Cambria-http://www.gw7x.org -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From LogWindows@aol.com Mon Oct 15 21:09:02 2001 From: LogWindows@aol.com (LogWindows@aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:09:02 EDT Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) Message-ID: <103.a96e261.28fc9c5e@aol.com> To do CW flawlessly in the Win32 environment would require a vxd, kernel mode or WDM level device driver (depending on the O/S, since all flavors of Windows dont use the same device driver model). This code would run at Ring 0 of the processor, where it would be able to preempts the O/S at the processor level and provide real time CW. Good device driver coders want about $60,000 to $80,000 a year. VB, Delphi, etc cannot be used to write Ring 0 device drivers, way to slow with too much overhead. Just plain good old asm should be used for the device driver, as at that level, cpu cycles count and you need to have the code as small and optimized as possible. I wouldn't even do the driver in C++.. Just asm. Rick - W4PC In a message dated 10/15/2001 2:38:54 PM Central Daylight Time, clive@gw3njw.fsworld.co.uk writes: > Ultimately the way to go > for solid CW in all situations of course is the hardware route, and e.g. the > > W5XD keyer/SO2R box does an admirable job for WL. Routines for driving this > are provided in C++ and may be freely incorporated into other progs. with > appropriate acknowledgements in "About" files etc. I suspect that these > routines could be compiled and built as a .dll in C++ for incorporation into > > progs written in other languages. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From gbaron@home.com Mon Oct 15 21:23:08 2001 From: gbaron@home.com (Gil Baron) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:23:08 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) In-Reply-To: <103.a96e261.28fc9c5e@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011015152139.038cee50@pop3.norton.antivirus> --=====================_168622005==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 16:09 10/15/2001, LogWindows@aol.com wrote: >To do CW flawlessly in the Win32 environment would require a vxd, kernel mode >or WDM level device driver (depending on the O/S, since all flavors of >Windows dont use the same device driver model). This code would run at Ring >0 of the processor, where it would be able to preempts the O/S at the >processor level and provide real time CW. > >Good device driver coders want about $60,000 to $80,000 a year. > >VB, Delphi, etc cannot be used to write Ring 0 device drivers, way to slow >with too much overhead. Just plain good old asm should be used for the device >driver, as at that level, cpu cycles count and you need to have the code as >small and optimized as possible. > >I wouldn't even do the driver in C++.. Just asm. I don't see why it could not be done in C++. This CW is a VERY slow thing compared to the speed of tady's machines. The fastest CW operation you would ever need is about a Millisecond. You can get HELL OF A LOT done in that much time. ' >Rick - W4PC > > >In a message dated 10/15/2001 2:38:54 PM Central Daylight Time, >clive@gw3njw.fsworld.co.uk writes: > > > Ultimately the way to go > > for solid CW in all situations of course is the hardware route, and e.g. >the > > > > W5XD keyer/SO2R box does an admirable job for WL. Routines for driving >this > > are provided in C++ and may be freely incorporated into other progs. with > > appropriate acknowledgements in "About" files etc. I suspect that these > > routines could be compiled and built as a .dll in C++ for incorporation >into > > > > progs written in other languages. > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog >Submissions: trlog@contesting.com >Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com >Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html Gil Baron http://members.home.com/gbaron W0MN 44.08208 N 92.51263 W 1055' "Baila como nadie te ve" --=====================_168622005==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 16:09 10/15/2001, LogWindows@aol.com wrote:

To do CW flawlessly in the Win32 environment would require a vxd, kernel mode
or WDM level device driver (depending on the O/S, since all flavors of
Windows dont use the same device driver model). This code  would run at Ring
0 of the processor, where it would be able to preempts the O/S at the
processor level and provide real time CW.

Good device driver coders want about $60,000 to $80,000 a year.

VB, Delphi, etc cannot be used to write Ring 0 device drivers, way to slow
with too much overhead. Just plain good old asm should be used for the device
driver, as at that level, cpu cycles count and you need to have the code as
small and optimized as possible.

I wouldn't even do the driver in C++.. Just asm.


I don't see why it could not be done in C++. This CW is a VERY slow thing compared to the speed of tady's machines. The fastest CW operation you would ever need is about a Millisecond. You can get HELL OF A LOT done in that much time.
'


Rick - W4PC


In a message dated 10/15/2001 2:38:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
clive@gw3njw.fsworld.co.uk writes:

> Ultimately the way to go
>  for solid CW in all situations of course is the hardware route, and e.g.
the
>
>  W5XD keyer/SO2R box does an admirable job for WL. Routines for driving
this
>  are provided in C++ and may be freely incorporated into other progs. with
>  appropriate acknowledgements in "About" files etc. I suspect that these
>  routines could be compiled and built as a .dll in C++ for incorporation
into
>
>  progs written in other languages.

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--=====================_168622005==_.ALT-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From jimsmith@home.com Mon Oct 15 22:31:33 2001 From: jimsmith@home.com (Jim Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:31:33 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) References: <103.a96e261.28fc9c5e@aol.com> Message-ID: <3BCB55B5.29037F@home.com> Hi all, I have never used a hardware keyer so I may be talking nonsense here. It seems to me that if clean cw is the main issue with respect to cw in a Win environment it shouldn't be too hard to make a hardware box that receives ASCII from the computer, converts it to Morse and drives a relay to key the rig. Now the only timing issue is to meter out the ASCII symbols from a buffer at the desired wpm rate. Heck, maybe even I could do it. This would obviously add to the cost but, if it was supplied in kit form, I would think that, TRLoggers being a hardy lot, it could be an acceptable workaround. So, blaze away, tell me where I am wrong 73 de Jim Smith VE7FO LogWindows@aol.com wrote: > > To do CW flawlessly in the Win32 environment would require a vxd, kernel mode > or WDM level device driver (depending on the O/S, since all flavors of > Windows dont use the same device driver model). This code would run at Ring > 0 of the processor, where it would be able to preempts the O/S at the > processor level and provide real time CW. > > Good device driver coders want about $60,000 to $80,000 a year. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From gbaron@home.com Mon Oct 15 22:46:39 2001 From: gbaron@home.com (Gil Baron) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:46:39 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) In-Reply-To: <3BCB55B5.29037F@home.com> References: <103.a96e261.28fc9c5e@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011015164554.038dad98@pop3.norton.antivirus> --=====================_173632440==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 14:31 10/15/2001, Jim Smith wrote: >Hi all, > >I have never used a hardware keyer so I may be talking nonsense >here. It seems to me that if clean cw is the main issue with >respect to cw in a Win environment it shouldn't be too hard to >make a hardware box that receives ASCII from the computer, >converts it to Morse and drives a relay to key the rig. Now the >only timing issue is to meter out the ASCII symbols from a buffer >at the desired wpm rate. Heck, maybe even I could do it. Such keyers already exist. The cost is prohibitive for most and not needed in any case for most. >This would obviously add to the cost but, if it was supplied in >kit form, I would think that, TRLoggers being a hardy lot, it >could be an acceptable workaround. > >So, blaze away, tell me where I am wrong > >73 de Jim Smith VE7FO > >LogWindows@aol.com wrote: > > > > To do CW flawlessly in the Win32 environment would require a vxd, > kernel mode > > or WDM level device driver (depending on the O/S, since all flavors of > > Windows dont use the same device driver model). This code would run at > Ring > > 0 of the processor, where it would be able to preempts the O/S at the > > processor level and provide real time CW. > > > > Good device driver coders want about $60,000 to $80,000 a year. > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog >Submissions: trlog@contesting.com >Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com >Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html Gil Baron http://members.home.com/gbaron W0MN 44.08208 N 92.51263 W 1055' "Baila como nadie te ve" --=====================_173632440==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 14:31 10/15/2001, Jim Smith wrote:

Hi all,

I have never used a hardware keyer so I may be talking nonsense
here.  It seems to me that if clean cw is the main issue with
respect to cw in a Win environment it shouldn't be too hard to
make a hardware box that receives ASCII from the computer,
converts it to Morse and drives a relay to key the rig.  Now the
only timing issue is to meter out the ASCII symbols from a buffer
at the desired wpm rate.  Heck, maybe even I could do it.

Such keyers already exist. The cost is prohibitive for most and not needed in any case for most.


This would obviously add to the cost but, if it was supplied in
kit form, I would think that, TRLoggers being a hardy lot, it
could be an acceptable workaround.

So, blaze away, tell me where I am wrong

73 de Jim Smith VE7FO

LogWindows@aol.com wrote:
>
> To do CW flawlessly in the Win32 environment would require a vxd, kernel mode
> or WDM level device driver (depending on the O/S, since all flavors of
> Windows dont use the same device driver model). This code  would run at Ring
> 0 of the processor, where it would be able to preempts the O/S at the
> processor level and provide real time CW.
>
> Good device driver coders want about $60,000 to $80,000 a year.

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--=====================_173632440==_.ALT-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From rbrandon@austin.ibm.com Mon Oct 15 22:49:22 2001 From: rbrandon@austin.ibm.com (Robert Brandon) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:49:22 -0400 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) In-Reply-To: <3BCB55B5.29037F@home.com> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure that's one of the main functions of the new WriteLog box. It started out to do just that, and then matured into an SO2R box. Robert K5PI -----Original Message----- From: owner-trlog@contesting.com [mailto:owner-trlog@contesting.com]On Behalf Of Jim Smith Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 5:32 PM To: trlog@contesting.com Subject: Re: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) Hi all, I have never used a hardware keyer so I may be talking nonsense here. It seems to me that if clean cw is the main issue with respect to cw in a Win environment it shouldn't be too hard to make a hardware box that receives ASCII from the computer, converts it to Morse and drives a relay to key the rig. Now the only timing issue is to meter out the ASCII symbols from a buffer at the desired wpm rate. Heck, maybe even I could do it. This would obviously add to the cost but, if it was supplied in kit form, I would think that, TRLoggers being a hardy lot, it could be an acceptable workaround. So, blaze away, tell me where I am wrong 73 de Jim Smith VE7FO LogWindows@aol.com wrote: > > To do CW flawlessly in the Win32 environment would require a vxd, kernel mode > or WDM level device driver (depending on the O/S, since all flavors of > Windows dont use the same device driver model). This code would run at Ring > 0 of the processor, where it would be able to preempts the O/S at the > processor level and provide real time CW. > > Good device driver coders want about $60,000 to $80,000 a year. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From swca@swbell.net Mon Oct 15 23:11:59 2001 From: swca@swbell.net (Mark Beckwith) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:11:59 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) In-Reply-To: <3BCB55B5.29037F@home.com> Message-ID: Time to dust off the old MM-3. TRlog was originally built to send CW in this way. gradually MM-3 support was phased out! Gotta chuckle. Mark >Hi all, > >I have never used a hardware keyer so I may be talking nonsense >here. It seems to me that if clean cw is the main issue with >respect to cw in a Win environment it shouldn't be too hard to >make a hardware box that receives ASCII from the computer, >converts it to Morse and drives a relay to key the rig. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From k2av@contesting.com Tue Oct 16 02:42:24 2001 From: k2av@contesting.com (Guy Olinger, K2AV) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:42:24 -0400 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) References: <128.60ee118.28fc6eac@aol.com> Message-ID: <002901c155e3$ce568b80$0300a8c0@winproxy> I am really tired of substituting mouse wiggles for perfectly good keystrokes. Is there possibly another approach that could actually make some money? There are a lot of us that have various dos programs we have had for years and can CTL-whatever in our sleep. NOT just TRLog. TR is but one of SEVERAL DOZEN hangers-on I keep around. I would pay TWO hundred dollars for a dos box that REALLY WORKED. Not for a windows version of those two dozen programs, but a SINGLE DOS BOX that has some development to keep it current. A windows program that was a shell to run old dos programs, really, reliably, with some slicks. Mickey Sloth hasn't put in a minute on dos box code in almost a decade. It is the demise of the dos box (to FORCE us to buy windows programs to replace the old ones) that is the problem here. If you can get a windows program to send smooth cw running on a 1.8 GHz PC (you SHOULD be able to), why not a windows program "dos box" pulling the same strings. I would pay good money for something like "DA BOX" to keep my oldies running. And DA BOX would appeal to other people besides hams. PS, don't EVER listen to a bunch of hams talking about whether they want to pay for something. They all sound like they would cheat the kids out of ice cream money. If you want to know whether they will spend money or not, look at their radio toys.... 73 ----------------- Guy Olinger, K2AV Apex, NC, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) > > Ken, > > This is NOT what I said. > > First, Windows is a stable O/S, much more stable than dos. In my previous > life, I wrote Operating System code for The Software Link, on the > Multiuser/Multitasking version of DOS called PC-MOS. From that experience, > and my time with Microsoft and my friends at Microsoft, I do know that both > the 9X and NT based versions of Windows are much better code than DOS ever > was. > > Second, the goal would have been to create a functionality equivalent of > TRLog for the Windows O/S. While some features would be changed (i.e > networking, etc), it would just take time to have a full featured version. > > The reason we didn't proceed with the project is that after I compiled the > results of the survey, most users wanted a DOS version of TRLog that worked > well under Windows. Many of the users didn't want to pay one dime for the > Windows upgrade, even though I was going to invest over $100,000 to do it. > > Also, Tree would have gotten a royalty and W4SCO (owner of Log Windows) would > have gotten a royalty from each sale (as they should), so I didn't see any > way to repay the investment or even look at making a profit, if the current > userbase wanted the Windows version for free or didn't want it all. > > And if any if you think that there is a profit in writing ham software, you > may want to rethink you assumptions. :) The ham market is such a tiny > market, even as compared to hobby markets like Stage Magic and woodworking. > > Rick - W4PC > > > > In a message dated 10/15/2001 9:48:27 AM Central Daylight Time, > kharker@cs.utexas.edu writes: > > > The proposed port of TR Log to Windows would have been done by W4PC and > > others at Creative Services Software - not by Tree. W4PC did a little > > research and concluded that TR Log users would not be likely to switch > > from a stable, feature-rich product on a real-time OS to something that > > (at least for a while would be) a developing, feature-poor product on an > > unstable OS. You could argue that a better market to target would be > > those who are not already invested in TR Log, but nonetheless, that's > > why W4PC claims to have dropped the project. > > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog > Submissions: trlog@contesting.com > Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com > Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html > -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From gbaron@home.com Tue Oct 16 04:55:19 2001 From: gbaron@home.com (Gil Baron) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:55:19 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) In-Reply-To: <002901c155e3$ce568b80$0300a8c0@winproxy> References: <128.60ee118.28fc6eac@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011015225412.038c7f00@pop3.norton.antivirus> --=====================_12279126==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 21:42 10/15/2001, Guy Olinger, K2AV wrote: >I am really tired of substituting mouse wiggles for perfectly good >keystrokes. > >Is there possibly another approach that could actually make some money? >There are a lot of us that have various dos programs we have had for >years and can CTL-whatever in our sleep. NOT just TRLog. > >TR is but one of SEVERAL DOZEN hangers-on I keep around. > >I would pay TWO hundred dollars for a dos box that REALLY WORKED. Not >for a windows version of those two dozen programs, but a SINGLE DOS BOX >that has some development to keep it current. A windows program that >was a shell to run old dos programs, really, reliably, with some slicks. > >Mickey Sloth hasn't put in a minute on dos box code in almost a decade. >It is the demise of the dos box (to FORCE us to buy windows programs to >replace the old ones) that is the problem here. That is not true. It is impossible to have a stable windows AND a dos box . You simply cannot allow the application to have access to ring 0 code. >If you can get a windows program to send smooth cw running on a 1.8 GHz >PC (you SHOULD be able to), why not a windows program "dos box" pulling >the same strings. > >I would pay good money for something like "DA BOX" to keep my oldies >running. And DA BOX would appeal to other people besides hams. > >PS, don't EVER listen to a bunch of hams talking about whether they want >to pay for something. They all sound like they would cheat the kids out >of ice cream money. If you want to know whether they will spend money or >not, look at their radio toys.... > >73 > >----------------- > >Guy Olinger, K2AV >Apex, NC, USA > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 12:54 PM >Subject: Re: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) > > > > > > Ken, > > > > This is NOT what I said. > > > > First, Windows is a stable O/S, much more stable than dos. In my >previous > > life, I wrote Operating System code for The Software Link, on the > > Multiuser/Multitasking version of DOS called PC-MOS. From that >experience, > > and my time with Microsoft and my friends at Microsoft, I do know that >both > > the 9X and NT based versions of Windows are much better code than DOS >ever > > was. > > > > Second, the goal would have been to create a functionality equivalent >of > > TRLog for the Windows O/S. While some features would be changed (i.e > > networking, etc), it would just take time to have a full featured >version. > > > > The reason we didn't proceed with the project is that after I compiled >the > > results of the survey, most users wanted a DOS version of TRLog that >worked > > well under Windows. Many of the users didn't want to pay one dime for >the > > Windows upgrade, even though I was going to invest over $100,000 to do >it. > > > > Also, Tree would have gotten a royalty and W4SCO (owner of Log >Windows) would > > have gotten a royalty from each sale (as they should), so I didn't see >any > > way to repay the investment or even look at making a profit, if the >current > > userbase wanted the Windows version for free or didn't want it all. > > > > And if any if you think that there is a profit in writing ham >software, you > > may want to rethink you assumptions. :) The ham market is such a tiny > > market, even as compared to hobby markets like Stage Magic and >woodworking. > > > > Rick - W4PC > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/15/2001 9:48:27 AM Central Daylight Time, > > kharker@cs.utexas.edu writes: > > > > > The proposed port of TR Log to Windows would have been done by W4PC >and > > > others at Creative Services Software - not by Tree. W4PC did a >little > > > research and concluded that TR Log users would not be likely to >switch > > > from a stable, feature-rich product on a real-time OS to something >that > > > (at least for a while would be) a developing, feature-poor product >on an > > > unstable OS. You could argue that a better market to target would >be > > > those who are not already invested in TR Log, but nonetheless, >that's > > > why W4PC claims to have dropped the project. > > > > > > > -- > > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog > > Submissions: trlog@contesting.com > > Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com > > Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com > > Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html > > > > > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog >Submissions: trlog@contesting.com >Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com >Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html Gil Baron http://members.home.com/gbaron W0MN 44.08208 N 92.51263 W 1055' "Baila como nadie te ve" --=====================_12279126==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 21:42 10/15/2001, Guy Olinger, K2AV wrote:

I am really tired of substituting mouse wiggles for perfectly good
keystrokes.

Is there possibly another approach that could actually make some money?
There are a lot of us that have various dos programs we have had for
years and can CTL-whatever in our sleep. NOT just TRLog.

TR is but one of SEVERAL DOZEN hangers-on I keep around.

I would pay TWO hundred dollars for a dos box that REALLY WORKED. Not
for a windows version of those two dozen programs, but a SINGLE DOS BOX
that has some development to keep it current.  A windows program that
was a shell to run old dos programs, really, reliably, with some slicks.

Mickey Sloth hasn't put in a minute on dos box code in almost a decade.
It is the demise of the dos box (to FORCE us to buy windows programs to
replace the old ones) that is the problem here.


That is not true. It is impossible to have a stable windows AND a dos box . You simply cannot allow the application to have access to ring 0 code.



If you can get a windows program to send smooth cw running on a 1.8 GHz
PC (you SHOULD be able to), why not a windows program "dos box" pulling
the same strings.

I would pay good money for something like "DA BOX" to keep my oldies
running. And DA BOX would appeal to other people besides hams.

PS, don't EVER listen to a bunch of hams talking about whether they want
to pay for something. They all sound like they would cheat the kids out
of ice cream money. If you want to know whether they will spend money or
not, look at their radio toys....

73

-----------------

Guy Olinger, K2AV
Apex, NC, USA

----- Original Message -----
From: <LogWindows@aol.com>
To: <trlog@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long)


>
> Ken,
>
> This is NOT what I said.
>
> First, Windows is a stable O/S, much more stable than dos. In my
previous
> life, I wrote Operating System code for The Software Link, on the
> Multiuser/Multitasking version of DOS called PC-MOS. From that
experience,
> and my time with Microsoft and my friends at Microsoft, I do know that
both
> the 9X and NT based versions of Windows are much better code than DOS
ever
> was.
>
> Second, the goal would have been to create a functionality equivalent
of
> TRLog for the Windows O/S. While some features would be changed (i.e
> networking, etc), it would just take time to have a full featured
version.
>
> The reason we didn't proceed with the project is that after I compiled
the
> results of the survey, most users wanted a DOS version of TRLog that
worked
> well under Windows. Many of the users didn't want to pay one dime for
the
> Windows upgrade, even though I was going to invest over $100,000 to do
it.
>
> Also, Tree would have gotten a royalty and W4SCO (owner of Log
Windows) would
> have gotten a royalty from each sale (as they should), so I didn't see
any
> way to repay the investment or even look at making a profit, if the
current
> userbase wanted the Windows version for free or didn't want it all.
>
> And if any if you think that there is a profit in writing ham
software, you
> may want to rethink you assumptions.  :) The ham market is such a tiny
> market, even as compared to hobby markets like Stage Magic and
woodworking.
>
> Rick - W4PC
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/15/2001 9:48:27 AM Central Daylight Time,
> kharker@cs.utexas.edu writes:
>
> > The proposed port of TR Log to Windows would have been done by W4PC
and
> >  others at Creative Services Software - not by Tree.  W4PC did a
little
> >  research and concluded that TR Log users would not be likely to
switch
> >  from a stable, feature-rich product on a real-time OS to something
that
> >  (at least for a while would be) a developing, feature-poor product
on an
> >  unstable OS.  You could argue that a better market to target would
be
> >  those who are not already invested in TR Log, but nonetheless,
that's
> >  why W4PC claims to have dropped the project.
> >
>
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--=====================_12279126==_.ALT-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From k2av@contesting.com Tue Oct 16 05:55:47 2001 From: k2av@contesting.com (Guy Olinger, K2AV) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:55:47 -0400 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) References: <128.60ee118.28fc6eac@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20011015225412.038c7f00@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <00f801c155fe$d2455da0$0300a8c0@winproxy> > > > >Mickey Sloth hasn't put in a minute on dos box code in almost a decade. > >It is the demise of the dos box (to FORCE us to buy windows programs to > >replace the old ones) that is the problem here. > > > That is not true. It is impossible to have a stable windows AND a dos box . > You simply cannot allow the application to have access to ring 0 code. > Read the message: Need a WINDOWS program that acts as a shell for old dos programs. I'm NOT talking about running DOS. It certainly IS true that MS has spent little effort on legacy compatibility for a long time now. 73 -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From n4zr@contesting.com Tue Oct 16 06:50:23 2001 From: n4zr@contesting.com (Pete Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 01:50:23 -0400 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) In-Reply-To: <002901c155e3$ce568b80$0300a8c0@winproxy> References: <128.60ee118.28fc6eac@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011016015023.008ff390@pop.abs.adelphia.net> At 09:42 PM 10/15/01 -0400, Guy Olinger, K2AV wrote: > >I am really tired of substituting mouse wiggles for perfectly good >keystrokes. > >Is there possibly another approach that could actually make some money? >There are a lot of us that have various dos programs we have had for >years and can CTL-whatever in our sleep. NOT just TRLog. > >TR is but one of SEVERAL DOZEN hangers-on I keep around. > >I would pay TWO hundred dollars for a dos box that REALLY WORKED. Not >for a windows version of those two dozen programs, but a SINGLE DOS BOX >that has some development to keep it current. A windows program that >was a shell to run old dos programs, really, reliably, with some slicks. > >Mickey Sloth hasn't put in a minute on dos box code in almost a decade. >It is the demise of the dos box (to FORCE us to buy windows programs to >replace the old ones) that is the problem here. > >If you can get a windows program to send smooth cw running on a 1.8 GHz >PC (you SHOULD be able to), why not a windows program "dos box" pulling >the same strings. > >I would pay good money for something like "DA BOX" to keep my oldies >running. And DA BOX would appeal to other people besides hams. This all sounds a little surreal to me -- can I be the only person who routinely runs TR Log in a DOS box under Wondows in CW contests and is quite satisfied with the CW? Nothing exotic here -- a 200 MHz Pentium MMX running Win 98 SE. If I'm serious about a contest, I go into Task Manager and turn off all the non-essential background tasks, but if I'm just fooling around I even leave my network running! At worst, in the latter configuration, I have very occasional hiccups in the CW, but with a cleaned-up machine, none at all. 73, Pete N4ZR -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From WG0M@aol.com Tue Oct 16 11:14:33 2001 From: WG0M@aol.com (WG0M@aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 06:14:33 EDT Subject: [TRLog] test Message-ID: <36.1d2db7d8.28fd6289@aol.com> Best regards; Michael Gulbranson CleanAir Technologies, Inc. Tel: 952-544-9152 Fax: 952-545-2449 -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From roberto.soro@sia.it Tue Oct 16 11:46:38 2001 From: roberto.soro@sia.it (Soro Roberto) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:46:38 +0200 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in a DOS box Message-ID: <8160937F4F4CD111A93E00805FC1752904AC2F56@ntsiaexch.office> > This all sounds a little surreal to me -- can I be the only person who > routinely runs TR Log in a DOS box under Wondows in CW contests and is > quite satisfied with the CW? > ............. > > 73, Pete N4ZR > > No, Peter, you aren't alone. I use to run TR that way under W95. Same Pentium 200MHz here at home, and even on a laptop while on dxpedition (IOTA Contest 1999, 2000, 2001). No problem with CW. Just sometimes TR crashed (twice this year during IOTA). 73 and cu next one! Bob, I2WIJ (J49R) *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* Qualsiasi utilizzo non autorizzato del presente messaggio nonche' dei suoi allegati e' vietato e potrebbe costituire reato. Se lei ha ricevuto erroneamente il presente messaggio, Le saremmo grati se, via e-mail, ce ne comunicasse la ricezione e provvedesse alla distruzione del messaggio stesso e dei suoi eventuali allegati. Le dichiarazioni contenute nel presente messaggio nonche' nei suoi eventuali allegati devono essere attribuite esclusivamente al mittente e non possono essere considerate come trasmesse o autorizzate da SIA S.p.A.; le medesime dichiarazioni non impegnano SIA S.p.A. nei confronti del destinatario o di terzi. SIA S.p.A. non si assume alcuna responsabilita' per eventuali intercettazioni, modifiche o danneggiamenti del presente messaggio e-mail. Any unauthorized use of this e-mail or any of its attachments is prohibited and could constitute an offence. If you are not the intended addressee please advise immediately the sender by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and destroy the message and its attachments. The statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail message are those of the author of the message and do not necessarily represent those of SIA. Besides, The contents of this message shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by SIA S.p.A.. SIA S.p.A. does not accept liability for corruption, interception or amendment, if any, or the consequences thereof. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From roberto.soro@sia.it Tue Oct 16 11:54:46 2001 From: roberto.soro@sia.it (Soro Roberto) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:54:46 +0200 Subject: [TRLog] TR 6.59 why "I" to increment?? Message-ID: <8160937F4F4CD111A93E00805FC1752904AC2F57@ntsiaexch.office> Hello Tree and all, just reading the Release notes of 6.59. There is something I don't understand. Version 6.59 - 19 August 2001 - When receiving a RST and SERIAL number exchange, you can increment a serial number in the exchange window by pressing I (for increment). Why this new feature?? Wasn't the Alt-I there already, since years?? Did I miss something? Does this mean I cannot correct the call in the Call Window by typing the correct one in the Exchange Window?? 73. bob, I2WIJ *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* Qualsiasi utilizzo non autorizzato del presente messaggio nonche' dei suoi allegati e' vietato e potrebbe costituire reato. Se lei ha ricevuto erroneamente il presente messaggio, Le saremmo grati se, via e-mail, ce ne comunicasse la ricezione e provvedesse alla distruzione del messaggio stesso e dei suoi eventuali allegati. Le dichiarazioni contenute nel presente messaggio nonche' nei suoi eventuali allegati devono essere attribuite esclusivamente al mittente e non possono essere considerate come trasmesse o autorizzate da SIA S.p.A.; le medesime dichiarazioni non impegnano SIA S.p.A. nei confronti del destinatario o di terzi. SIA S.p.A. non si assume alcuna responsabilita' per eventuali intercettazioni, modifiche o danneggiamenti del presente messaggio e-mail. Any unauthorized use of this e-mail or any of its attachments is prohibited and could constitute an offence. If you are not the intended addressee please advise immediately the sender by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and destroy the message and its attachments. The statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail message are those of the author of the message and do not necessarily represent those of SIA. Besides, The contents of this message shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by SIA S.p.A.. SIA S.p.A. does not accept liability for corruption, interception or amendment, if any, or the consequences thereof. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From gbaron@home.com Tue Oct 16 11:56:59 2001 From: gbaron@home.com (Gil Baron) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 05:56:59 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011016015023.008ff390@pop.abs.adelphia.net> References: <002901c155e3$ce568b80$0300a8c0@winproxy> <128.60ee118.28fc6eac@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011016055629.00aac088@pop3.norton.antivirus> --=====================_37578424==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:50 10/16/2001, Pete Smith wrote: >At 09:42 PM 10/15/01 -0400, Guy Olinger, K2AV wrote: > > > >I am really tired of substituting mouse wiggles for perfectly good > >keystrokes. > > > >Is there possibly another approach that could actually make some money? > >There are a lot of us that have various dos programs we have had for > >years and can CTL-whatever in our sleep. NOT just TRLog. > > > >TR is but one of SEVERAL DOZEN hangers-on I keep around. > > > >I would pay TWO hundred dollars for a dos box that REALLY WORKED. Not > >for a windows version of those two dozen programs, but a SINGLE DOS BOX > >that has some development to keep it current. A windows program that > >was a shell to run old dos programs, really, reliably, with some slicks. > > > >Mickey Sloth hasn't put in a minute on dos box code in almost a decade. > >It is the demise of the dos box (to FORCE us to buy windows programs to > >replace the old ones) that is the problem here. > > > >If you can get a windows program to send smooth cw running on a 1.8 GHz > >PC (you SHOULD be able to), why not a windows program "dos box" pulling > >the same strings. > > > >I would pay good money for something like "DA BOX" to keep my oldies > >running. And DA BOX would appeal to other people besides hams. > >This all sounds a little surreal to me -- can I be the only person who >routinely runs TR Log in a DOS box under Wondows in CW contests and is >quite satisfied with the CW? Nothing exotic here -- a 200 MHz Pentium MMX >running Win 98 SE. If I'm serious about a contest, I go into Task Manager >and turn off all the non-essential background tasks, but if I'm just >fooling around I even leave my network running! At worst, in the latter >configuration, I have very occasional hiccups in the CW, but with a >cleaned-up machine, none at all. >Works great but NOT with WINDOWS 2000. >73, Pete N4ZR > > > > > > >-- >FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog >Submissions: trlog@contesting.com >Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com >Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com >Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html Gil Baron http://members.home.com/gbaron W0MN 44.08208 N 92.51263 W 1055' "Baila como nadie te ve" --=====================_37578424==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 01:50 10/16/2001, Pete Smith wrote:

At 09:42 PM 10/15/01 -0400, Guy Olinger, K2AV wrote:
>
>I am really tired of substituting mouse wiggles for perfectly good
>keystrokes.
>
>Is there possibly another approach that could actually make some money?
>There are a lot of us that have various dos programs we have had for
>years and can CTL-whatever in our sleep. NOT just TRLog.
>
>TR is but one of SEVERAL DOZEN hangers-on I keep around.
>
>I would pay TWO hundred dollars for a dos box that REALLY WORKED. Not
>for a windows version of those two dozen programs, but a SINGLE DOS BOX
>that has some development to keep it current.  A windows program that
>was a shell to run old dos programs, really, reliably, with some slicks.
>
>Mickey Sloth hasn't put in a minute on dos box code in almost a decade.
>It is the demise of the dos box (to FORCE us to buy windows programs to
>replace the old ones) that is the problem here.
>
>If you can get a windows program to send smooth cw running on a 1.8 GHz
>PC (you SHOULD be able to), why not a windows program "dos box" pulling
>the same strings.
>
>I would pay good money for something like "DA BOX" to keep my oldies
>running. And DA BOX would appeal to other people besides hams.

This all sounds a little surreal to me -- can I be the only person who
routinely runs TR Log in a DOS box under Wondows in CW contests and is
quite satisfied with the CW?  Nothing exotic here -- a 200 MHz Pentium MMX
running Win 98 SE.  If I'm serious about a contest, I go into Task Manager
and turn off all the non-essential background tasks, but if I'm just
fooling around I even leave my network running!  At worst, in the latter
configuration, I have very occasional hiccups in the CW, but with a
cleaned-up machine, none at all.



Works great but NOT with WINDOWS 2000.




73, Pete N4ZR






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--=====================_37578424==_.ALT-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From gbaron@home.com Tue Oct 16 12:03:25 2001 From: gbaron@home.com (Gil Baron) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 06:03:25 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint (long) In-Reply-To: <00f801c155fe$d2455da0$0300a8c0@winproxy> References: <128.60ee118.28fc6eac@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20011015225412.038c7f00@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011016060143.00acafe0@pop3.norton.antivirus> --=====================_37963819==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 00:55 10/16/2001, Guy Olinger, K2AV wrote: > > > > > >Mickey Sloth hasn't put in a minute on dos box code in almost a >decade. > > >It is the demise of the dos box (to FORCE us to buy windows programs >to > > >replace the old ones) that is the problem here. > > > > > > That is not true. It is impossible to have a stable windows AND a dos >box . > > You simply cannot allow the application to have access to ring 0 code. > > > >Read the message: Need a WINDOWS program that acts as a shell for old >dos programs. And you cannot do that with stability because old dos programs need direct access to the hardware and win2000 will not permit that without a device driver and then you do not have direct access. Vicious un fixable circle, sorry. I am talking about WIN NT-2000-XP here. >I'm NOT talking about running DOS. > >It certainly IS true that MS has spent little effort on legacy >compatibility for a long time now. > >73 Gil Baron http://members.home.com/gbaron W0MN 44.08208 N 92.51263 W 1055' "Baila como nadie te ve" --=====================_37963819==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 00:55 10/16/2001, Guy Olinger, K2AV wrote:

> >
> >Mickey Sloth hasn't put in a minute on dos box code in almost a
decade.
> >It is the demise of the dos box (to FORCE us to buy windows programs
to
> >replace the old ones) that is the problem here.
>
>
> That is not true. It is impossible to have a stable windows AND a dos
box .
> You simply cannot allow the application to have access to ring 0 code.
>

Read the message: Need a WINDOWS program that acts as a shell for old
dos programs.


And you cannot  do that with stability because old dos programs need direct access to the hardware and win2000 will not permit that without a device driver and then you do not have direct access. Vicious un fixable circle, sorry. I am talking about WIN NT-2000-XP here.



I'm NOT talking about running DOS.

It certainly IS true that MS has spent little effort on legacy
compatibility for a long time now.

73

Gil Baron http://members.home.com/gbaron
W0MN 44.08208 N 92.51263 W 1055'
"Baila como nadie te ve"
--=====================_37963819==_.ALT-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From w4zw@home.com Tue Oct 16 13:40:03 2001 From: w4zw@home.com (Jon, W4ZW) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 08:40:03 -0400 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in a DOS box In-Reply-To: <8160937F4F4CD111A93E00805FC1752904AC2F56@ntsiaexch.office> Message-ID: <006b01c1563f$adc7b7c0$0300005a@XW401> Hey Pete, There's no problem running TR in a DOS window as long as you disable the IO ports as far as Windows is concerned, and set the properties for the TR .exe file to full 100% resource allocation. It's under WIN2000 and NT where the problem comes in because neither will relinquish full control of system resources to any program. There, it would be necessary to write a custom .vxd routine to handle the CW as has already been pointed out. Fact is, TR runs under even older machines running WIN95 DOS windows. I have one old IBM 486 laptop machine we use for FD that works fine as long as the setup above is done. Jon Hamlet, W4ZW Casey Key Island, FL "A little bit of Paradise in the Gulf of Mexico" -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From tree@kkn.net Tue Oct 16 16:39:44 2001 From: tree@kkn.net (Tree N6TR) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 08:39:44 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] TR 6.59 why "I" to increment?? Message-ID: <200110161539.IAA14643@loja.kkn.net> > just reading the Release notes of 6.59. > There is something I don't understand. > > Version 6.59 - 19 August 2001 > > - When receiving a RST and SERIAL number exchange, you can increment > a serial number in the exchange window by pressing I (for increment). > > > Why this new feature?? > > Wasn't the Alt-I there already, since years?? Yeah - but someone (I think they live in Alaska) wanted I to work as well. > Did I miss something? > Does this mean I cannot correct the call in the Call Window > by typing the correct one in the Exchange Window?? This could be an unintended consequence of the change. Give it a try and let me know if it is a problem. If I was thinking, I only do it when there isn't anything else in the window. Tree -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From kl7ra@blizzard.gcgo.nasa.gov Tue Oct 16 17:14:28 2001 From: kl7ra@blizzard.gcgo.nasa.gov (kl7ra) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 08:14:28 -0800 Subject: [TRLog] TR 6.59 why "I" to increment?? Message-ID: <021501c1565d$a424b1a0$02f446c0@snowfall.gcgo.nasa.gov> >> Wasn't the Alt-I there already, since years?? > >Yeah - but someone (I think they live in Alaska) wanted I to work as well. Yo What we asked for was to be able to change the outbound serial number not the serial number in the exchange line. At one time we thought this would be useful for Multi-single in the WPX when using non-networked PC's. As I recall it was not trivial programming to allow this, and you would have to think about it. But how about this: Sunday morning doing the F1 trick and the bandmap is full (show everything) push the foot switch (next mult) and mode goes to s/p, bandmap shows mults only (new feature) and first spot is loaded. Rich KL7RA -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From kl7ra@blizzard.gcgo.nasa.gov Tue Oct 16 17:36:23 2001 From: kl7ra@blizzard.gcgo.nasa.gov (kl7ra) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 08:36:23 -0800 Subject: [TRLog] TR 6.59 why "I" to increment?? Message-ID: <025601c15660$b1ee05e0$02f446c0@snowfall.gcgo.nasa.gov> >Why this new feature?? > >Wasn't the Alt-I there already, since years?? > >Did I miss something? >Does this mean I cannot correct the call in the Call Window >by typing the correct one in the Exchange Window?? > >73. >bob, I2WIJ Hi Bob As you have to have a space between the serial number and call this change doesn't stop you from correcting calls in the exchange window. It's actually better to not have to use the ALT key as you can increment with one hand now instead of two. This allows you to use the other for more important things like eating a doughnut. 73 Rich KL7RA -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From roberto.soro@sia.it Wed Oct 17 07:55:37 2001 From: roberto.soro@sia.it (Soro Roberto) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:55:37 +0200 Subject: [TRLog] TR 6.59 why "I" to increment?? Message-ID: <8160937F4F4CD111A93E00805FC1752904AC2F5A@ntsiaexch.office> Hi Rich and all, > -----Original Message----- > From: kl7ra [mailto:kl7ra@blizzard.gcgo.nasa.gov] > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 6:36 PM > To: Soro Roberto; trlog@contesting.com > Subject: Re: [TRLog] TR 6.59 why "I" to increment?? > ........... > > can increment with one hand now instead of two. This allows you > to use the other for more important things like eating a doughnut. > > 73 Rich KL7RA > uhmmm, this is another view of things... you are right there are so many other important things, and I like doughnuts as well!! 73 and cu in contest Bob, I2WIJ *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* Qualsiasi utilizzo non autorizzato del presente messaggio nonche' dei suoi allegati e' vietato e potrebbe costituire reato. Se lei ha ricevuto erroneamente il presente messaggio, Le saremmo grati se, via e-mail, ce ne comunicasse la ricezione e provvedesse alla distruzione del messaggio stesso e dei suoi eventuali allegati. Le dichiarazioni contenute nel presente messaggio nonche' nei suoi eventuali allegati devono essere attribuite esclusivamente al mittente e non possono essere considerate come trasmesse o autorizzate da SIA S.p.A.; le medesime dichiarazioni non impegnano SIA S.p.A. nei confronti del destinatario o di terzi. 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SIA S.p.A. does not accept liability for corruption, interception or amendment, if any, or the consequences thereof. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From jjreisert@alum.mit.edu Thu Oct 18 04:05:49 2001 From: jjreisert@alum.mit.edu (Jim Reisert) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:05:49 -0400 Subject: [TRLog] Country File Update - 17 October 2001 The country files have been updated again. All files for CT, NA, TR and WriteLog are now contained in a single file. You can download the update from: http://www.k1ea.com Here are the release notes: 17 October 2001 (CTY-1102) * Removed the following callsigns from United States, K -- K5KA, K5KAY, K5KC, K5KDG, K5KEN, K5KH, K5KJ, K5KLA, K5KT and K5KV. They are no longer needed since K5K is not a prefix for Kingman Reef. * Removed K5K from callsign list for Kingman Reef, KH5K. * Added AH7K, KH7K and WH7K to prefix list for Kure I. * Added ZK1MA to callsign list for North Cook Is., ZK1/n (thanks W7TSQ). Here are the relevant parts of the README file: This archive contains country files for use by REGISTERED users of K1EA's CT contest logging software, as well as other software that supports the CTY.DAT file format (for example N6TR). This archive contains the following files: ARRL.CTY CT7/8 country file for use during ARRL DX contest CQWW.CTY CT7/8 country file for use during CQ WW DX contest IARU.CTY CT7/8 country file for use during IARU HF Championship CTY.DAT CT9 country file (all DX contests) COUNTRY.DAT NA country file (all DX contests) WL_CTY.DAT WriteLog country file (all DX contests) CTYHDG.EXE program for putting beam headings into CTY files CTYHDG.PRE geographic (latitude/longitude) data for CTYHDG CTYHDG.DOC documentation for CTYHDG HISTORY.TXT revision history README.TXT this file you're reading now FILE_ID.DIZ description for BBS upload INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS ------------------------- CT8 and earlier: - Extract the ARRL.CTY, CQWW.CTY and IARU.CTY FILES to your CT directory. CT9: - Extract the CTY.DAT file to your CT directory TR: - Extract the CTY.DAT file and put it in your TR directory. NA: - Extract the COUNTRY.DAT file to your NA directory and run NAU. WL: - Extract the WL_CTY.DAT file to your WRITELOG\PROGRAMS directory and run the "Convert cty to WriteLog" program from the WriteLog program folder. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, , http://www.ad1c.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From ve3iay@rac.ca Sat Oct 20 00:28:41 2001 From: ve3iay@rac.ca (Richard Ferch) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:28:41 -0400 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog in the RTTY Sprint Message-ID: <005e01c158f5$ca490760$6400a8c0@workstation1> Just a short follow-up (no, I am not going to join the DOS vs. Windows argument - but I do want to thank Jon, W4ZW for his tip about disabling IO ports in Windows so they will work in a DOS box). A couple of people have asked me about the link to the RTTYINFO site, which has the latest version of the WF1B software plus lots of other RTTY-related stuff. I got the address wrong in my earlier note: just to set the record straight, it's http://www.rttyinfo.net . 73, Rich VE3IAY -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From n1md@snet.net Sat Oct 20 21:41:02 2001 From: n1md@snet.net (Michael L. Therrien, MD) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 16:41:02 -0400 Subject: [TRLog] test Message-ID: Michael L. Therrien, MD, MMM, CPE Amateur Radio Station N1MD "Next year, phone." -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From vr2bg@harts.org.hk Mon Oct 22 08:25:11 2001 From: vr2bg@harts.org.hk (VR2BrettGraham) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 07:25:11 +0000 Subject: [TRLog] POST 6.59 Cabrillo & A-P Sprint Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20011022072324.00c49690@pop.asiaonline.net> Seems to omit the CONTEST: parameter. 73, VR2BrettGraham -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From tree@kkn.net Mon Oct 22 17:39:23 2001 From: tree@kkn.net (Tree N6TR) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:39:23 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] Re: How about this? Message-ID: <200110221639.JAA06688@loja.kkn.net> > Can TR tune the frequensy of the rig up and down. > if not, how can I qsy the rig from the computer/TR ? Most radios will QSY up/down with the left and right SHIFT keys when you are in S&P mode. You can also enter a frequency in the call window (14036 or just 036 if you are already on the band). You can also use decimal - 14036.7. Tree -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca Mon Oct 22 18:03:34 2001 From: jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca (Sylvan Katz) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:03:34 -0600 Subject: [TRLog] Possible Bug? References: <200110221639.JAA06688@loja.kkn.net> Message-ID: <027a01c15b1b$7c4229c0$6400a8c0@selfsimilar> TR Log v 6.59 F1 = ^Ccwmonitoroff^D ... cq message I noticed when I was playing in the RSGB 21/28 contest this weekend that if I used the auto-cq command and the F1 key was set as above then the string "cwmonitoroff" was sent as well as the cq message. However, when F1 or Enter was used then the embedded command was ignored. Is this a bug? .. sylvan ---------------- Sylvan Katz, VE5ZX Saskatoon, SK -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From vitaly.markhasin@ue-1.com Mon Oct 22 19:19:07 2001 From: vitaly.markhasin@ue-1.com (Markhasin, Vitaly) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:19:07 -0600 Subject: [TRLog] AP Sprint Message-ID: Hello to all, When I was preparing for the last weekend contest, I've tried to display a list of AP countries as per rules for reference. All my attempts were unsuccessful. How to do this (for contests in the future)? Thank you. 73! Vitaly (VE6JO) <<...OLE_Obj...>> -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From dl2zav@darc.de Mon Oct 22 21:05:22 2001 From: dl2zav@darc.de (Udo DL2ZAV) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:05:22 +0200 Subject: [TRLog] Possible Bug? References: <200110221639.JAA06688@loja.kkn.net> <027a01c15b1b$7c4229c0$6400a8c0@selfsimilar> Message-ID: <000601c15b39$62bb7380$ba0401d9@1und11029841> > > TR Log v 6.59 > F1 = ^Ccwmonitoroff^D ... cq message > > I noticed when I was playing in the RSGB 21/28 contest this weekend that if > I used the auto-cq command and the F1 key was set as above then the string > "cwmonitoroff" was sent as well as the cq message. However, when F1 or Enter > was used then the embedded command was ignored. > Same experience here on the same weekend (but in another contest - WAG) -- 73, Udo dl2zav@darc.de Ich funke mit TR-Log von N6TR. TR-Log-Online-Home-Page in Deutsch: www.trlog.onlinehome.de -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From aa0cy@VRINTER.NET Tue Oct 23 00:46:41 2001 From: aa0cy@VRINTER.NET (Bob Wanderer) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:46:41 -0400 Subject: [TRLog] Manual Download Site Message-ID: Where can I download the latest manual? Thanks and 73, Bob AA0CY -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From ve3iay@rac.ca Tue Oct 23 01:38:44 2001 From: ve3iay@rac.ca (Richard Ferch) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:38:44 -0400 Subject: [TRLog] POST 6.59 Cabrillo & A-P Sprint Message-ID: <001801c15b5b$13d40c60$6400a8c0@workstation1> > Seems to omit the CONTEST: parameter. > > 73, VR2BrettGraham When a contest is not on the official list in the Cabrillo specification, POST doesn't include a CONTEST: line. AP-SPRINT was added to the official list fairly recently, I believe, so POST hasn't caught up yet. There's a much more critical problem with POST's output, though. POST doesn't get the QSO: line format right for contests that are not in the supported list. Nothing at all appears in the sent exchange, and the received exchange has the sent RST in front of it. That is, if our first contact was with each other, the QSO: line in my log would look like (as tested using version 6.59): QSO: 21000 CW 2001-10-21 0001 VE3IAY VR2BG 599 599 1 when it should look like: QSO: 21000 CW 2001-10-21 0001 VE3IAY 599 1 VR2BG 599 1 Fortunately, there is an easy workaround. Copy your LOGCFG.DAT file and your LOG.DAT file into a temporary folder or subdirectory, and edit the contest name in the LOGCFG.DAT file from AP SPRINT to CQ WPX. Now run POST and generate the Cabrillo file. Using a text editor, edit the CONTEST: line in this Cabrillo file to change it from CONTEST: CQ-WPX-CW to CONTEST: AP-SPRINT and you're done. This works whenever the exchange in the unsupported contest is the same as the exchange in a supported contest. Just lie to POST about the contest name and patch things up later. Sounds like a recipe for disaster, but this is one case where it works. 73, Rich VE3IAY -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From vr2bg@harts.org.hk Tue Oct 23 01:55:00 2001 From: vr2bg@harts.org.hk (VR2BrettGraham) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:55:00 +0000 Subject: [TRLog] POST 6.59 Cabrillo & A-P Sprint In-Reply-To: <001801c15b5b$13d40c60$6400a8c0@workstation1> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20011023004828.00c57a40@pop.asiaonline.net> VE3IAY added: > > Seems to omit the CONTEST: parameter. > > > > 73, VR2BrettGraham > >When a contest is not on the official list in the Cabrillo specification, >POST doesn't include a CONTEST: line. AP-SPRINT was added to the official >list fairly recently, I believe, so POST hasn't caught up yet. > >There's a much more critical problem with POST's output, though. POST >doesn't get the QSO: line format right for contests that are not in the >supported list. Nothing at all appears in the sent exchange, and the >received exchange has the sent RST in front of it. That is, if our first >contact was with each other, the QSO: line in my log would look like (as >tested using version 6.59): >QSO: 21000 CW 2001-10-21 0001 VE3IAY VR2BG 599 599 >1 >when it should look like: >QSO: 21000 CW 2001-10-21 0001 VE3IAY 599 1 VR2BG 599 1 > >Fortunately, there is an easy workaround. Copy your LOGCFG.DAT file and your >LOG.DAT file into a temporary folder or subdirectory, and edit the contest >name in the LOGCFG.DAT file from AP SPRINT to CQ WPX. Now run POST and >generate the Cabrillo file. Using a text editor, edit the CONTEST: line in >this Cabrillo file to change it from CONTEST: CQ-WPX-CW to CONTEST: >AP-SPRINT and you're done. > >This works whenever the exchange in the unsupported contest is the same as >the exchange in a supported contest. Just lie to POST about the contest name >and patch things up later. Sounds like a recipe for disaster, but this is >one case where it works. Wah - there _is_ a difference in the A-P Sprint QSO template... the A-P Sprint rules say one thing, whilst there's something else on Trey's Cabrillo site. We'll have to see if the A-P Sprint Committee can sort that out so that Tree can fix it when he has the chance. Meanwhile, thanks for the workaround. 73, VR2BrettGraham -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From kharker@cs.utexas.edu Tue Oct 23 04:20:16 2001 From: kharker@cs.utexas.edu (Kenneth E. Harker) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:20:16 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] Manual Download Site In-Reply-To: ; from Bob Wanderer on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 07:46:41PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20011022222016.A3822@cs.utexas.edu> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 07:46:41PM -0400, Bob Wanderer wrote: > > Where can I download the latest manual? http://www.qth.com/tr/manual.html > Thanks and 73, > Bob AA0CY > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog > Submissions: trlog@contesting.com > Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com > Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth E. Harker "Vox Clamantis in Deserto" kharker@cs.utexas.edu University of Texas at Austin Amateur Radio Callsign: WM5R Department of the Computer Sciences VP, Central Texas DX & Contest Club Taylor Hall TAY 2.124 Maintainer of Linux on Laptops Austin, TX 78712-1188 USA http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From vr2bg@harts.org.hk Tue Oct 23 05:20:02 2001 From: vr2bg@harts.org.hk (VR2BrettGraham) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 04:20:02 +0000 Subject: [TRLog] AP Sprint In-Reply-To: <200110230350.f9N3omZ25206@contesting.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20011023041412.00c4f220@pop.asiaonline.net> VE6JO asked: >When I was preparing for the last weekend contest, I've tried to display a >list of AP countries as per rules for reference. >All my attempts were unsuccessful. >How to do this (for contests in the future)? Though I couldn't find it in the manual (I could've missed it), I thought TR had a feature where a text file could be displayed instead of calls from TRMASTER.DTA when a call from a particular country was typed in. The format of the file was: [text to be displayed when call of this country is typed in] [text to be displayed when call of this country is typed in] etc, etc. Not perfect, but this could be used like this: UA9 You can only work UA0s in A-P Sprint! KH6 You cannot work KH6s in A-P Sprint! VR Make sure to work VR2BG in A-P Sprint! 73, VR2BrettGraham -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From compcoach_2000@yahoo.com Tue Oct 23 10:57:04 2001 From: compcoach_2000@yahoo.com (Ron K6KYJ) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 02:57:04 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] JARTS config Message-ID: <01C15B6E.66FA62A0@caribbean-green.shocking.com> If anyone used TRLog for the JARTS RTTY contest this weekend, I would like to get a copy of your config file by email. Thanks =*=* ==*= =** =**= =** * =*= =**** =*= =*== *=== Ron Angle, Chico CA 73 de K6KYJ [From the Land of the Seven Dipoles] -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From WG0M@aol.com Tue Oct 23 13:31:26 2001 From: WG0M@aol.com (WG0M@aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:31:26 EDT Subject: [TRLog] TR using W9XT card Message-ID: <15a.2ced23a.2906bd1e@aol.com> I am new to TR and need some help configuring the XT voice card to work with TR. I have the TR output going out on LPT3. The card is configured on LPT 2. I can make it work on TR if I connect the supplied cable from the card to the rig. However, the manual states that I don't need the cable implying that I can get output on LPT2. (BTW I am using the SO2R Control Box interface). It works fine with NA. Does anyone have a config file which includes the W9XT card they could email to me? I would like to be up and running before the CQWW contest starts. Best regards; Michael Gulbranson CleanAir Technologies, Inc. Tel: 952-544-9152 Fax: 952-545-2449 -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From vr2bg@harts.org.hk Wed Oct 24 07:41:01 2001 From: vr2bg@harts.org.hk (VR2BrettGraham) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 06:41:01 +0000 Subject: [TRLog] JARTS config In-Reply-To: <200110240350.f9O3ojZ18642@contesting.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20011024061749.00c578d0@pop.asiaonline.net> K6KYJ asked: >If anyone used TRLog for the JARTS RTTY contest this weekend, I would like >to get a copy of your config file by email. I'll put mine here on the reflector as I'm sure others are trying to come to grips with the new RTTY support in TR. MY CALL = VR2BG CONTEST = all asian contest name = JARTS DISPLAY MODE = COLOR my grid = ol72dl digital mode enable = true dx multiplier = arrl dxcc domestic multiplier = wysiwyg zone multiplier = none add domestic country = vk add domestic country = ja add domestic country = k add domestic country = ve qso point method = cq ww rtty paddle port = 1 swap paddles = true relay control port = 1 rtty PORT = SERIAL 1 KEYER OUTPUT PORT = parallel 1 ;RADIO ONE CONTROL PORT = SERIAL 4 RADIO ONE BAUD RATE = 4800 RADIO ONE TYPE = FT1000MP ;radio two control port = serial 2 radio two baud rate = 1200 radio two type = ic765 radio two receiver address = 44 radio one id character = A radio two id character = B LEADING ZEROS = 3 CW TONE = 0 SCP MINIMUM LETTERS = 3 DISTANCE MODE = KM custom user string = qth oldcall GRID user1 user2 USER3 user info shown = custom initial exchange = none QUESTION MARK CHAR = [ send complete four letter call = true de enable = false WILDCARD PARTIALS = TRUE PACKET SPOT EDIT ENABLE = TRUE POSSIBLE CALL MODE = ALL SHIFT KEY ENABLE = FALSE PADDLE MONITOR TONE = 0 PACKET BEEP = FALSE rtty receive string = <04> rtty send string = tc<0D>x<0D> cq memory f1 = cq cq test cq cq test vr2bg vr2bg vr2bg vr2bg kkk CQ MEMORY F2 = CQ cq cq test cq cq cq test de vr2bg vr2bg vr2bg vr2bg kkk CQ MEMORY F3 = @ 599 37 37 DE vr2bg kkk CQ MEMORY F4 = QRZ QRZ TEST DE VR2BG VR2BG KKK CQ MEMORY F5 = \ CQ MEMORY F6 = CQ MEMORY F7 = QSL CBA CBA CQ MEMORY F8 = AGN AGN AGN CQ MEMORY F9 = ??? ex memory f3 = @ de \ 599 37 37 kkk ex memory f4 = CALL? CALL? EX MEMORY F5 = age? age? EX MEMORY F6 = QRZ QRZ TEST DE VR2BG VR2BG KKK EX MEMORY F7 = \ EX MEMORY F8 = AGN AGN AGN EX MEMORY F9 = ??? CQ EXCHANGE = @ DE \ 599 37 37 KKK S&P EXCHANGE = @ 599 37 37 \ kkk REPEAT S&P EXCHANGE = @ @ de \ 599 599 kkk CALL OK NOW MESSAGE = @ cfm QSL MESSAGE = rrr 73 qrz test de \ \ kkk QUICK QSL MESSAGE = rrr tu qrz \ kkk ;tail end message = rrr tu nw ex menu = F1-DE+Cl F2-+ F3-rptex F4-Cl? F5-Age? F6-QRZ? F7-Cl F8-AGN F9-? Alt-AskForHis CQ menu = F1/2-CQ F3-rptex F4-QRZ? F5-Cl F6-+ F7-QSL F8-AGN F9-? Alt-AskForHis auto dupe enable cq = false show search and pounce = true A bit of a dog's breakfast as it was thrown together quickly from several other .CFG files. The TNC used was a PK-232, which had EAS ON & I now realize should have had WORD ON, too. One has to manually go back & add back in country mults & call area mults for JA, K, VE & VK - was too interested to work guys in an RTTY contest where uniques aren't thrown out to be bothered to do any more tweaking. Oh yes, it won't give correct Q points for working your own country. Not a problem here, but a quick "search & replace" with your favorite text editor for <1> will solve that. 73, VR2BrettGraham -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From la6pia@frisurf.no Wed Oct 24 21:02:53 2001 From: la6pia@frisurf.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul_Ramb=F8?=) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:02:53 +0100 Subject: [TRLog] Not a valid callsign Message-ID: Hi ! I just buy the TRLog program so I am quit new to it. But I just wonder, is it possible to get a function into the program that tells you if a call is not valid for a specific contest. For instance if I put in VK3XYL when working the ALL ASIAN contest, a "popup" window can tell me "NOT A VALID CALL". This will be a great help to sort out if the callsign are from ASIA or not. Regards Paul Rambo - LA6PIA NO-9310 Sorreisa NORWAY mailto:la6pia@qsl.net -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From dl2zav@darc.de Wed Oct 24 22:10:40 2001 From: dl2zav@darc.de (Udo DL2ZAV) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:10:40 +0200 Subject: [TRLog] Not a valid callsign References: Message-ID: <00af01c15cdd$e00471c0$e30401d9@udo> > But I just wonder, is it possible to get a function into the program that > tells you if a call is not valid for a specific contest. > For instance if I put in VK3XYL when working the ALL ASIAN contest, a > "popup" window can tell me "NOT A VALID CALL". > This will be a great help to sort out if the callsign are from ASIA or not. > You could make up a country information file as described in the manual. What I did is to edit my CTY.DAT, I put the continent just in front of the country name (using a macro, not manually 340 times). So now instead of just showing things like West Malaysia or East Malaysia (can you remember which is which?) to the right of the call sign it now says AS West Malaysia and OC East Malaysia. This should be enough information. Note that TR will not prevent you from working either of them. (To be honest, my CTY.DAT even says OC 9M6 East Malaysia etc.) For the WAE, you could change the name of every European country to something like EUROPE!!! or so. Keep the original CTY.DAT in your TR Log program directory. Put the modified one into your contest working directory, it will take precedence. -- 73, Udo dl2zav@darc.de Ich funke mit TR-Log von N6TR. TR-Log-Online-Home-Page in Deutsch: www.trlog.onlinehome.de -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From lenrev@ameritech.net Thu Oct 25 04:31:13 2001 From: lenrev@ameritech.net (Len Revelle) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:31:13 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] 8FT817 revisited Message-ID: Tree or George..... Is there a prayer of hope for the FT-817 with TR? Question asked several times according to archives but no response either way. Tried all Yaesu models shown in the 6.59 manual with rig set for 4800 baud. Like the 980 mentioned in archives, TR seems to ignore the rig altogether. Logic 5 now includes the 817 but I'd sure prefer TR for contesting. Len Revelle N9IJ AMA 60055 LSF 7492 QRP-ARCI#10923 QRP-L#2353 ARS#1099 Live Wire#529 lenrev@ameritech.net -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From lenrev@ameritech.net Thu Oct 25 13:58:15 2001 From: lenrev@ameritech.net (Len Revelle) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 07:58:15 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] 8FT817 revisited In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry about X-post. Shouldn't have crossed to here. Len Revelle N9IJ AMA 60055 LSF 7492 QRP-ARCI#10923 QRP-L#2353 ARS#1099 Live Wire#529 lenrev@ameritech.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-trlog@contesting.com [mailto:owner-trlog@contesting.com]On Behalf Of Len Revelle Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:31 PM To: TRlog Subject: [TRLog] 8FT817 revisited Tree or George..... Is there a prayer of hope for the FT-817 with TR? Question asked several times according to archives but no response either way. Tried all Yaesu models shown in the 6.59 manual with rig set for 4800 baud. Like the 980 mentioned in archives, TR seems to ignore the rig altogether. Logic 5 now includes the 817 but I'd sure prefer TR for contesting. Len Revelle N9IJ AMA 60055 LSF 7492 QRP-ARCI#10923 QRP-L#2353 ARS#1099 Live Wire#529 lenrev@ameritech.net -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From vitaly.markhasin@ue-1.com Thu Oct 25 14:29:25 2001 From: vitaly.markhasin@ue-1.com (Markhasin, Vitaly) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 07:29:25 -0600 Subject: [TRLog] 8FT817 revisited (+ FT847???) Message-ID: How about FT 847??? Vitaly (VE6JO) -----Original Message----- From: Len Revelle [mailto:lenrev@ameritech.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 9:31 PM To: TRlog Subject: [TRLog] 8FT817 revisited Tree or George..... Is there a prayer of hope for the FT-817 with TR? Question asked several times according to archives but no response either way. Tried all Yaesu models shown in the 6.59 manual with rig set for 4800 baud. Like the 980 mentioned in archives, TR seems to ignore the rig altogether. Logic 5 now includes the 817 but I'd sure prefer TR for contesting. Len Revelle N9IJ AMA 60055 LSF 7492 QRP-ARCI#10923 QRP-L#2353 ARS#1099 Live Wire#529 lenrev@ameritech.net -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From pmbarkey@home.com Thu Oct 25 23:43:34 2001 From: pmbarkey@home.com (Patrick Barkey) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:43:34 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] Zone multipliers in the WW Message-ID: <000f01c15da6$7ac0e220$6401a8c0@PatrickBarkey> Sorry, I could not divine this from the manual. Is there a way to check for needed zones in the WW with TR? A related question is this -- does the "Mult needed on 160 80 40 ..." message refer to the country mult only, or does it refer to both country and zone? Thanks. - Pat N9RV -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From mikeh@airflash.com Fri Oct 26 00:00:51 2001 From: mikeh@airflash.com (Mike Heideman) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:00:51 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] Zone multipliers in the WW References: <000f01c15da6$7ac0e220$6401a8c0@PatrickBarkey> Message-ID: <3BD899A3.33B2FE31@airflash.com> Use ALT-G, the Swap Mults command. Documented in section 6.17.3.2 of the 6.59 manual. This is also in the Troubleshooting Guide (Chapter 7). -Mike, N7MH Patrick Barkey wrote: > Sorry, I could not divine this from the manual. > > Is there a way to check for needed zones in the WW with > TR? > > A related question is this -- does the "Mult needed on > 160 80 40 ..." message refer to the country mult only, > or does it refer to both country and zone? > > Thanks. > > - Pat > N9RV > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog > Submissions: trlog@contesting.com > Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com > Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From tree@kkn.net Fri Oct 26 00:01:46 2001 From: tree@kkn.net (Tree N6TR) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:01:46 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] Zone multipliers in the WW Message-ID: <200110252301.QAA07275@loja.kkn.net> > Is there a way to check for needed zones in the WW with > TR? Do you mean the remaining zone mults? Alt-G will swap between countries and zones. > A related question is this -- does the "Mult needed on > 160 80 40 ..." message refer to the country mult only, > or does it refer to both country and zone? It is an OR function. Tree -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From nr1dx@tellink.net Fri Oct 26 19:25:26 2001 From: nr1dx@tellink.net (NR1DX) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:25:26 +0000 Subject: [TRLog] TRLog and Internet packet spots Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011026182240.02008bb0@mail.tellink.net> I'm sure this has been addressed in the past , but I can't find it anywhere in the manual. How do I get TRLog connected to an Internet telnet cluster for spots instead of through my TNC/radio interface? Dave NR1DX -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From jimsmith@home.com Fri Oct 26 22:44:07 2001 From: jimsmith@home.com (Jim Smith) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:44:07 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] My computer won't run DOS Message-ID: <3BD9D927.12472E35@home.com> Here it is, 2 hrs and 40 min until start of CQ WW, tried to set up TR and computer doesn't want to run DOS any more. If I double click on command.com instead of getting a DOS prompt I get a DOS box with white background saying, "This program cannot run in a window because of the way it uses the display. Press ALT+ENTER to run the program in a full screen." When I do that I get a dialogue box from MS-DOS Prompt saying, "You cannot switch to a full screen while text is selected or the Scroll command is active. Before switching to a full screen, press ESC to cancel your selection or cancel scrolling." Well, I didn't select any text and I have no idea what the Scroll command is let alone how to cancel it. I have been unable to switch the box to full screen mode and have been unable to close the box without crashing the computer. Any ideas of what I should try? In the meantime, I guess I'll be finding out how good WriteLog is in a phone contest. 73 de Jim Smith VE7FO -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From jackn2mpu@monmouth.com Sat Oct 27 01:33:45 2001 From: jackn2mpu@monmouth.com (Jack) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:33:45 -0400 Subject: [TRLog] My computer won't run DOS References: <3BD9D927.12472E35@home.com> Message-ID: <3BDA00E9.FC5A9501@monmouth.com> Jim Smith wrote: > > Here it is, 2 hrs and 40 min until start of CQ WW, tried to set up > TR and computer doesn't want to run DOS any more. > > If I double click on command.com instead of getting a DOS prompt I > get a DOS box with white background saying, "This program cannot > run in a window because of the way it uses the display. Press > ALT+ENTER to run the program in a full screen." > > When I do that I get a dialogue box from MS-DOS Prompt saying, > "You cannot switch to a full screen while text is selected or the > Scroll command is active. Before switching to a full screen, > press ESC to cancel your selection or cancel scrolling." I must admit this is a new one on me of getting to a DOS prompt. Usually Windoze has an entry in the Start Menu for getting a DOS prompt. What are your system specs (Windows version, hardware, etc.)? Second, it's not a good idea to try setting up your computer for a contest just a couple of hours before a contest, even if you've used it before. I like to try setting up my machine a day before the contest. That way I know if I have to switch computers or do some other work to get things running. -- de N2MPU Jack FN20 Modeling the NYC and NYNH&H in HO and CPRail and D&H in N Proud NRA member You can learn about rec.guns at http://doubletap.cs.umd.edu/rec.guns -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From aa0cy@VRINTER.NET Sat Oct 27 01:47:42 2001 From: aa0cy@VRINTER.NET (Bob Wanderer) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:47:42 -0400 Subject: [TRLog] F-10 Message-ID: How come nowhere in the manual (and this, I believe, has been true since Tree was writing them) is the fact that F-10 will enable keyboard CW (as a toggle). It really ought to be mentioned, don't you think? 73 Bob AA0CY -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From k6ll@juno.com Fri Oct 26 19:02:35 2001 From: k6ll@juno.com (David O Hachadorian) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:02:35 +0000 Subject: [TRLog] My computer won't run DOS Message-ID: <20011026.180236.-16718425.4.k6ll@juno.com> On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:33:45 -0400 Jack writes: > Here it is, 2 hrs and 40 min until start of CQ WW, tried to set up > > TR and computer doesn't want to run DOS any more. Try this: ctrl/alt/del to reboot When the message "starting windows" appears, hit F8. An options box will appear. Choose the one that says "step by step confirmation." Answer NO to anything not required by TR: CD-rom, Sound card, Windows, etc. At the end, you will be at a dos prompt with minimal stuff running. Type "loadhigh smartdrv c+" Start TR. Good luck. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ K6LL@juno.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From jimsmith@home.com Sat Oct 27 02:05:07 2001 From: jimsmith@home.com (Jim Smith) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:05:07 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] Re: My computer won't run DOS References: <3BD9D927.12472E35@home.com> Message-ID: <3BDA0843.8088B1DA@home.com> Ooops. Forgot to tell you Pentium III 500MHz WIN98 SE Matrox G400 video card NEC MultiSync FE950 Sent this once before but it didn't show up 73 de Jim Smith VE7FO -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From mikeh@airflash.com Sat Oct 27 19:43:11 2001 From: mikeh@airflash.com (Mike Heideman) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:43:11 -0700 Subject: [TRLog] F-10 References: Message-ID: <3BDB003F.8D527616@airflash.com> The F-10 key just happens to be set to send Keyboard CW by default, but it can be reprogrammed like any of the other function keys. It makes use of the colon character ":" which is documented in Table 2, "Special CW Characters", in Section 5.2 of the TR-Log version 6.59 manual. Most new users of TR-Log learn the F10 key quickly because Tree has conveniently labelled it in the default CQ MENU and EX MENU. -Mike, N7MH Bob Wanderer wrote: > How come nowhere in the manual (and this, I believe, has > been true since Tree was writing them) is the fact that F-10 > will enable keyboard CW (as a toggle). It really ought to > be mentioned, don't you think? > > 73 > Bob AA0CY > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog > Submissions: trlog@contesting.com > Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com > Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From aa0cy@VRINTER.NET Sun Oct 28 01:19:52 2001 From: aa0cy@VRINTER.NET (Bob Wanderer) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:19:52 -0400 Subject: [TRLog] What's In The Zone Message-ID: It probably exists, but I can't find it in the manual. If it doesn't exist, it ought to. When you enter a (CQ) Zone, the program shows you the (usual) prefix of the countries in that zone. It could be done simply by entering the zone (minus any leading zeroes) followed by . Since there are no leading zeroes, the program ought not mistake that for a frequency [change] on the band you currently are on. 73, Bob AA0CY -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From tree@kkn.net Sun Oct 28 14:36:38 2001 From: tree@kkn.net (Tree N6TR) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 06:36:38 -0800 Subject: [TRLog] FT817 Message-ID: <200110281436.GAA05510@loja.kkn.net> I have a beta version for the FT817 if anyone wants to try it out. Tree -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From jackn2mpu@monmouth.com Sun Oct 28 17:12:34 2001 From: jackn2mpu@monmouth.com (Jack) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 12:12:34 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] Re: My computer won't run DOS References: <3BD9D927.12472E35@home.com> <3BDA0843.8088B1DA@home.com> Message-ID: <3BDC3C82.78734393@monmouth.com> Jim Smith wrote: > > Ooops. Forgot to tell you > Pentium III 500MHz > WIN98 SE > Matrox G400 video card > NEC MultiSync FE950 > > Sent this once before but it didn't show up > > 73 de Jim Smith VE7FO Win98 has a Dos prompt entry in the Start Menu. Try that, it should work. It does for me at work, as I run a number of test programs in DOS box on a Win98 machine (both windowed and full size that I can switch from one mode of display to the other with no problem). Of course, you can always do a 'Restart in Dos Mode' from the Shut Down Start Menu selection. Or thirdly, make up a DOS boot floppy. That way you won't have to worry about hitting the F8 key as another responder mentioned previously. Some computers don't give you much time to hit the F8 key before going on their merry way of booting. -- de N2MPU Jack FN20 Modeling the NYC and NYNH&H in HO and CPRail and D&H in N Proud NRA member You can learn about rec.guns at http://doubletap.cs.umd.edu/rec.guns -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From Alan Kaul" <3BDA0843.8088B1DA@home.com> <3BDC3C82.78734393@monmouth.com> Message-ID: <001201c15fd6$b661fe40$6d28cd18@charterpipeline.com> I'm using 6.59 but didn't download a new manual. Is there a way to find out which zones I have worked on each band? Pls and thanks, 73 de alan Alan Kaul, W6RCL, LaCanada, CA w6rcl@amsat.org http://home.att.net/~alan.kaul/index.html -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From tree@kkn.net Sun Oct 28 20:53:28 2001 From: tree@kkn.net (Tree N6TR) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 12:53:28 -0800 Subject: [TRLog] Is there a way to check ZONES? Message-ID: <200110282053.MAA10562@loja.kkn.net> > I'm using 6.59 but didn't download a new manual. Is there a way to find out > which zones I have worked on each band? Alt-G. Tree -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From aa0cy@VRINTER.NET Mon Oct 29 01:16:39 2001 From: aa0cy@VRINTER.NET (Bob Wanderer) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:16:39 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] What's In The Zone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C15FED.73A0F220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: David & Amy McCarty [mailto:mccarty@hal-pc.org] Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 7:07 PM To: Bob Wanderer Subject: RE: [TRLog] What's In The Zone Not to dis ya, but ain't that what a map is for? Yep, but I don't have one hanging on the wall and don't feel like finding one. Ain't that what a computer is for--to allow you to have that information at your fingertips. I've used TR for a good six or so years and love it, but CT and NA do provide that data and I don't see why TR can't either. Better to learn that info so you don't have to spend keystrokes to find it out. Maybe when I was younger I could keep such arcane data in my head, even at 2AM Sunday morning. Now I can't remember where I placed the cup of coffee I was just drinking. Again, why should I need to memorize something the program should provide? Many contesters have spent a lot of time staring at the zone map, analyzing old logs, etc. to learn what is where and once you know, it goes both ways: you know what zone to expect from the guy who calls, you know what countries to expect when you hear the report out from under the pileup. And you also learn that the W4's, W7's, W8's, UA9's and the UA0's aren't always in the zone suggested by the computer. Add Canadians (Zone 2). And W7's who don't sign /1 although I believe the rules require it. But that's besides the point. I think you're missing the point, Dave, which is the program should provide as much information as it can so you can do your job. Your job is to be The Operator not The Keeper Of Arcane Knowledge. The program gives you the zone (although it IS your job to verify it). I just want a quick way of knowing what countries (preferably in two colors for those worked and those not) are in any particular zone so if I hear it as the exchange, I can quickly tell if I should stick around or not. After many years of contesting where the contesting was the thing (i.e. a better score than last year), I am back to hunting for new countries and new band-countries as the reason to operate. 73 Dave K5GN > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-trlog@contesting.com [mailto:owner-trlog@contesting.com]On > Behalf Of Bob Wanderer > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 6:20 PM > To: TR > Subject: [TRLog] What's In The Zone > > > > It probably exists, but I can't find it in the manual. 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Thanks and 73, Bob AA0CY -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From n4zr@contesting.com Mon Oct 29 12:29:54 2001 From: n4zr@contesting.com (Pete Smith) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:29:54 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] SBDVP oddity Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011029072954.008555a0@pop.abs.adelphia.net> I ran into something new (to me) using SBDVP with TR 6.59 this weekend. I stored my call, with a second set of phonetics, in the EXF2.DVP file. This was in addition to the MYCALL.DVP message that plays back from F1 in S&P mode. My S&P exchange was stored in the SAPEXCHG.DVP file. Messages from all three locations played back fine, individually. However, if I used the EXF2.DVP message during a QSO sequence, the SAPEXCHG.DVP message would not play back when I pressed [ENTER} to log the QSO and send the other station's exchange. If I used MYCALL.DVP twice instead, the exchange would play fine when asked for. Since EXF2.DVP and the S&P F2 key are normally used for the full contest exchange, it occurred to me that perhaps something internal to TRLog "thought" that I had already sent the exchange once, and automatically prevented resending it, even though the exchange is stored under a different filename. Is this the case? Is this maybe a leftover from the way the program works in CW mode? Obviously, it's no biggie, but if so it probably should be documented. 73, Pete N4ZR -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From tree@kkn.net Mon Oct 29 16:12:30 2001 From: tree@kkn.net (Tree N6TR) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:12:30 -0800 Subject: [TRLog] SBDVP oddity Message-ID: <200110291612.IAA20602@loja.kkn.net> > Since EXF2.DVP and the S&P F2 key are normally used for the full contest > exchange, it occurred to me that perhaps something internal to TRLog > "thought" that I had already sent the exchange once, and automatically > prevented resending it, even though the exchange is stored under a > different filename. Yup. Tree -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From W4mes@aol.com Mon Oct 29 16:40:09 2001 From: W4mes@aol.com (W4mes@aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:40:09 EST Subject: [TRLog] Using edit funtion to add qso Message-ID: <147.3bf0af5.290ee069@aol.com> I operated in the cq ww contest this weekend. I didn't have my radio interfaced with the computer, so I had to manually change bands. Needless to say I forgot to do so on a couple of occasions (won't ever operate this way again!). To make a long story short, I need to add a qso in the middle of the contest. I thought I could use the edit function to do that but I only seem to be able to edit existing qso's. Can I add a qso and have the editor auto-renumber the remaining qso's? -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From tree@kkn.net Mon Oct 29 16:49:59 2001 From: tree@kkn.net (Tree N6TR) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:49:59 -0800 Subject: [TRLog] Using edit funtion to add qso Message-ID: <200110291649.IAA20877@loja.kkn.net> > I operated in the cq ww contest this weekend. I didn't have my radio > interfaced with the computer, so I had to manually change bands. Needless to > say I forgot to do so on a couple of occasions (won't ever operate this way > again!). To make a long story short, I need to add a qso in the middle of the > contest. I thought I could use the edit function to do that but I only seem > to be able to edit existing qso's. Can I add a qso and have the editor > auto-renumber the remaining qso's? I would just use a text editor and put it in manually. Don't worry about the QSO numbering. This all gets stripped out when you convert it to Cabrillo. Just copy the QSO before the one you need to add and change the call/zone and you are done. Tree -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From aa0cy@VRINTER.NET Mon Oct 29 23:10:44 2001 From: aa0cy@VRINTER.NET (Bob Wanderer) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:10:44 -0500 Subject: FW: [TRLog] What's In The Zone Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C160A5.073D1B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's two votes for this feature. What are your thoughts on this, Tree? 73, Bob AA0CY > -----Original Message----- > From: David & Amy McCarty > [mailto:mccarty@hal-pc.org] > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 9:58 PM > To: Bob Wanderer > Subject: RE: [TRLog] What's In The Zone > > I think I see your point, Bob. > > One of the reasons I find this to be better in the head is > that I tend to want to type less. That's why it's good > for the computer to pre-fill the zone -- less typing. > > Another is that I can process the question of "what's in > Zone 26?" as fast as I could type it and read it, while my > hands put the frequency in the B VFO and tune up to the > next pileup. > > On the other hand, I'm getting less able to accurately > remember exactly which countries I have worked in a given > zone so far on a given band, so a feature that gave me log > information along with the static information would be > *very* helpful. That's what I want out of the computer, > real-time data. The countries in a given zone changes > only every few months or so at the fastest. So I like > your idea about a feature that would allow you to type in > the exchange and get a list of countries that match the > zone highlighted just like the remaining countries list. > Perfect! I also had an idea a few years ago that you'd > want to do the same thing in the ARRL DX Contest with the > power. (Now who was it that I worked signing 59 777?) I > found the Alt-L to get me close, so I never asked Tree for > it. Your idea is good enough to ask for. > > Hope you had fun this weekend. I did, but I erased my log > at the end of my operating time last night (sleep > deprivation). The recovered file is not healthy yet. So > I've got to go back out to the station and spend some time > with Norton. What a stupid mistake, done very quickly (to > really mess things up it takes a computer). > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Wanderer [mailto:aa0cy@VRINTER.NET] > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 7:17 PM > To: David & Amy McCarty > Cc: TR > Subject: RE: [TRLog] What's In The Zone > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David & Amy McCarty [mailto:mccarty@hal-pc.org] > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 7:07 PM > To: Bob Wanderer > Subject: RE: [TRLog] What's In The Zone > > > Not to dis ya, but ain't that what a map is for? > Yep, but I don't have one hanging on the wall and don't > feel like finding one. Ain't that what a computer is > for--to allow you to have that information at your > fingertips. I've used TR for a good six or so years and > love it, but CT and NA do provide that data and I don't > see why TR can't either. > > > Better to learn that info so you don't have to spend > keystrokes to find it > out. > Maybe when I was younger I could keep such arcane data in > my head, even at 2AM Sunday morning. Now I can't remember > where I placed the cup of coffee I was just drinking. > Again, why should I need to memorize something the program > should provide? > > Many contesters have spent a lot of time staring at the > zone map, analyzing > old logs, etc. to learn what is where and once you know, > it goes both ways: > you know what zone to expect from the guy who calls, you > know what countries > to expect when you hear the report out from under the > pileup. > > And you also learn that the W4's, W7's, W8's, UA9's and > the UA0's aren't > always in the zone suggested by the computer. > Add Canadians (Zone 2). And W7's who don't sign /1 > although I believe the rules require it. But that's > besides the point. I think you're missing the point, > Dave, which is the program should provide as much > information as it can so you can do your job. Your job is > to be The Operator not The Keeper Of Arcane Knowledge. > The program gives you the zone (although it IS your job to > verify it). I just want a quick way of knowing what > countries (preferably in two colors for those worked and > those not) are in any particular zone so if I hear it as > the exchange, I can quickly tell if I should stick around > or not. After many years of contesting where the > contesting was the thing (i.e. a better score than last > year), I am back to hunting for new countries and new > band-countries as the reason to operate. > > 73 > Dave K5GN > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-trlog@contesting.com > [mailto:owner-trlog@contesting.com]On > > Behalf Of Bob Wanderer > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 6:20 PM > > To: TR > > Subject: [TRLog] What's In The Zone > > > > > > > > It probably exists, but I can't find it in the manual. > If > > it doesn't exist, it ought to. When you enter a (CQ) > Zone, > > the program shows you the (usual) prefix of the > countries in > > that zone. It could be done simply by entering the zone > > (minus any leading zeroes) followed by . 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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C160A5.073D1B00-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From gwfields@mediaone.net Tue Oct 30 04:22:06 2001 From: gwfields@mediaone.net (Greg Fields) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:22:06 -0600 Subject: [TRLog] OnDeckCall Feature? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20011029222206.0080e710@pop.mn.mediaone.net> I have been running version 6.59 through the paces and have discovered I can't get the OnDeckCall feature to work. This is the one when you are putting in the exchange information on the second rig and someone answers your CQ from the run radio. You can then put the call sign of the station calling your CQ radio in the exchange field for the second rig by putting in /call. This will then put this call sign of the calling station in the call sign field when you hit enter to log the second radio exchange information. Then all you do is hit return again and the CQ radio calls this station. This avoids the run radio from automatically going back to a CQ when the second radio exchange is logged. It's a pretty slick feature. No matter what I do I can't get this to work. I went back and tested this on version 6.56 and it works. I do have two radio mode = true in both versions. Anyone have any ideas? Am I missing something silly here or is there a known bug with this on 6.59? Thanks! Greg K0OB -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From tc8533@execpc.com Tue Oct 30 15:42:20 2001 From: tc8533@execpc.com (tc8533@execpc.com) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:42:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [TRLog] Where can I get a copy of SBDVP.exe? Message-ID: <200110301542.JAA82408@nm1.nwbl.wi.voyager.net> Hello, I am interested in setting up a Digital Voice Keyer. I found some documentation on using TR Log with a Sound Blaster card, but I cannot find a copy of the SBDVP.exe file anywhere! I did see within the C:\log folder a DVPTSR.exe program, but I am assuming I need both to use the DVK functions within TR. Can anyone help? I did follow a link to "ftp://fermi.la.asu.edu/pub", but it does not work. Thanks, Tony, AI9X -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From roberto.soro@sia.it Tue Oct 30 16:38:29 2001 From: roberto.soro@sia.it (Soro Roberto) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:38:29 +0100 Subject: [TRLog] Where can I get a copy of SBDVP.exe? Message-ID: <8160937F4F4CD111A93E00805FC1752904AC2FAA@ntsiaexch.office> This one should work. http://fermi.la.asu.edu/w9cf/ Bob,I2WIJ (IR2V in contest) mailto:i2wij@qsl.net http://www.qsl.net/i2wij/ > -----Original Message----- > From: tc8533@execpc.com [mailto:tc8533@execpc.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:42 PM > To: trlog@contesting.com > Subject: [TRLog] Where can I get a copy of SBDVP.exe? > > > > Hello, > I am interested in setting up a Digital Voice Keyer. I found some > documentation on using TR Log with a Sound Blaster card, but I cannot > find a copy of the SBDVP.exe file anywhere! I did see within the > C:\log folder a DVPTSR.exe program, but I am assuming I need both to > use the DVK functions within TR. > > Can anyone help? I did follow a link to "ftp://fermi.la.asu.edu/pub", > but it does not work. > > Thanks, > Tony, AI9X > > > -- > FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog > Submissions: trlog@contesting.com > Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com > Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com > Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html > *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* Qualsiasi utilizzo non autorizzato del presente messaggio nonche' dei suoi allegati e' vietato e potrebbe costituire reato. 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The statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail message are those of the author of the message and do not necessarily represent those of SIA. Besides, The contents of this message shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by SIA S.p.A.. SIA S.p.A. does not accept liability for corruption, interception or amendment, if any, or the consequences thereof. -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From tc8533@execpc.com Tue Oct 30 16:07:22 2001 From: tc8533@execpc.com (tc8533@execpc.com) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:07:22 -0600 (CST) Subject: [TRLog] Where can I get a copy of SBDVP.exe? Message-ID: <200110301607.KAA85882@nm1.nwbl.wi.voyager.net> Thanks to all whom responded so quickly! I did follow the new links, and have the program in hand (er, disk). For the rest of the readers, here are the full paths to the programs and manuals. http://fermi.la.asu.edu/w9cf/sbdvp/src/sbdvp101.zip http://fermi.la.asu.edu/w9cf/sbdvp/index.html Tony, AI9X -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From n4zr@contesting.com Tue Oct 30 20:50:30 2001 From: n4zr@contesting.com (Pete Smith) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:50:30 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] First try at SO2R Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011030155030.0092b100@pop.abs.adelphia.net> I'm planning a first tentative run at SO2R in the coming weekend's CW SS. I have the top Ten SO2R box set up and running properly, almost (see below). My second radio is a barefoot TS-930 on a low 40m dipole. Using TR 6.59. I'm concerned to avoid what the manual warns about -- losing QSOs and sounding like a lid. Been running through some scenarios. I've been inclined to run Two Radio Mode = False because that seems a little more forgiving, particularly for someone who is used to hearing his CW being sent and concerned about being confused by the two radios transmitting automagically. However, after I finish a QSO on the S&P radio, the manual says the software should switch back to the run radio and to CQ mode. Neither thing happens. This is the case regardless of which radio is the run radio, and which one is S&P. If I use Alt-R to switch back to the Run radio, it too is now in S&P mode, requiring an extra keystroke. I'm sure there's something I'm missing here... What do people advise -- should I run in TRM = False, or suck it up and try TRM = True, which seems to operate entirely as described in the manual? Or maybe go with Dueling CQs mode? 73, Pete N4ZR -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From k6ll@juno.com Tue Oct 30 15:17:49 2001 From: k6ll@juno.com (David O Hachadorian) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:17:49 +0000 Subject: [TRLog] First try at SO2R Message-ID: <20011030.151750.-16677505.1.k6ll@juno.com> On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:50:30 -0500 Pete Smith writes: > I've been inclined to run Two Radio Mode = False because that seems > a > little more forgiving, particularly for someone who is used to > hearing his > CW being sent and concerned about being confused by the two radios > transmitting automagically. However, after I finish a QSO on the > S&P > radio, the manual says the software should switch back to the run > radio and > to CQ mode. Neither thing happens. This is the case regardless of > which > radio is the run radio, and which one is S&P. If I use Alt-R to > switch > back to the Run radio, it too is now in S&P mode, requiring an extra > keystroke. > > I'm sure there's something I'm missing here... Nope. The program works exactly as you described it. Either a bug has crept in, or the manual is in error. I wouldn't know which, since I always use two radio mode = true. If the auto cq's bother you, you can do the following: set two radio mode = true erase the cq message contained in cq memory ALT-F3 (this is the dummy cq). Instead of pressing ENTER to send your S&P exchange, press F2. This is a good idea anyway, because if the guy needs a fill, you will still be connected to the correct radio to send the fill. When you are ready for a cq on the run radio, press ENTER to log your S&P qso and start the cq on the run radio. > > What do people advise -- should I run in TRM = False, or suck it up > and try > TRM = True, which seems to operate entirely as described in the > manual? Or > maybe go with Dueling CQs mode? Sweepstakes is so slow on saturday evening and all day sunday, that it's the best opportunity of any contest to use the trm=true. I would recommend TRM=true, using F2 to send the S&P exchange. That's the way I always do it. I don't think duelling cq's is a good idea. See you in SS! Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ K6LL@juno.com -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From kharker@cs.utexas.edu Tue Oct 30 23:05:27 2001 From: kharker@cs.utexas.edu (Kenneth E. Harker) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:05:27 -0600 Subject: [TRLog] RTTY Tips on TR web site Message-ID: <20011030170527.I10555@cs.utexas.edu> I've added a section on RTTY Tips to the TR Log web site: http://www.qth.com/tr/rtty_tips.html The first article there is a contribution from Rich VE3IAY (posted to the reflector a while back) that describes how he set up TR to operate in the RTTY Sprint. If anyone else has material they'd like to share about TR and RTTY, let me know. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth E. Harker "Vox Clamantis in Deserto" kharker@cs.utexas.edu University of Texas at Austin Amateur Radio Callsign: WM5R Department of the Computer Sciences VP, Central Texas DX & Contest Club Taylor Hall TAY 2.124 Maintainer of Linux on Laptops Austin, TX 78712-1188 USA http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From la6pia@frisurf.no Tue Oct 30 23:41:10 2001 From: la6pia@frisurf.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul_Ramb=F8?=) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 00:41:10 +0100 Subject: [TRLog] SBDVP Message-ID: Hi ! I have just downloaded the SBDVP voice keyer software from this adress: http://fermi.la.asu.edu/w9cf/ Installed, and run it as written in the readme.txt file, but I can't get it working. This is the text that is showing up after running the SBDVP.exe IRQ =10 BASEIO =240 DMA =0 SBTYPE= 6 CQF10.dvp opened 46000 bytes nearest rate is 12048 Hz Attempting reset of sound card sound blaster not resetting. My soundcard here is a SoundBlaster Live. What am I doing wrong ?. Any idea ?. 73's de - LA6PIA Paul Rambo mailto:la6pia@qsl.net -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca Wed Oct 31 00:35:09 2001 From: jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca (Sylvan Katz) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:35:09 -0600 Subject: [TRLog] QSY up/down References: <20011030170527.I10555@cs.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <03ac01c161a3$e591b6a0$6400a8c0@selfsimilar> A couple of weeks ago Tree posted the following: "Most radios will QSY up/down with the left and right SHIFT keys when you are in S&P mode." I am running 6.59 with an Icom 736 and I cannot get this to work. Has anyone else with an Icom managed to get this feature to work? tnx BTW - I too would sure like a feature that allows me to see which countries are in a given zone. Age is getting to be a problem :-) .. sylvan ---------------- Sylvan Katz, VE5ZX Saskatoon, SK -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From geoiii@kkn.net Wed Oct 31 03:54:01 2001 From: geoiii@kkn.net (George Fremin III - K5TR) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:54:01 -0800 Subject: [TRLog] First try at SO2R In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011030155030.0092b100@pop.abs.adelphia.net>; from Pete Smith on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:50:30PM -0500 References: <3.0.5.32.20011030155030.0092b100@pop.abs.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <20011030195401.C7444@loja.kkn.net> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:50:30PM -0500, Pete Smith wrote: > > I've been inclined to run Two Radio Mode = False because that seems a > little more forgiving, particularly for someone who is used to hearing his > CW being sent and concerned about being confused by the two radios > transmitting automagically. However, after I finish a QSO on the S&P > radio, the manual says the software should switch back to the run radio and > to CQ mode. Neither thing happens. This is because that feature is turned on by setting the TWO RADIO MODE = TRUE. This is the case regardless of which > radio is the run radio, and which one is S&P. If I use Alt-R to switch > back to the Run radio, it too is now in S&P mode, requiring an extra > keystroke. > > I'm sure there's something I'm missing here... > > What do people advise -- should I run in TRM = False, or suck it up and try > TRM = True, which seems to operate entirely as described in the manual? Or > maybe go with Dueling CQs mode? You should use the two radio mode. -- George Fremin III Johnson City, Texas "Experiment trumps theory." K5TR (ex.WB5VZL) -- Dave Leeson W6NL geoiii@kkn.net 830-868-2510 http://www.kkn.net/~k5tr -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From jimsmith@home.com Wed Oct 31 08:35:33 2001 From: jimsmith@home.com (Jim Smith) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 00:35:33 -0800 Subject: [TRLog] Re: My computer won't run DOS References: <3BD9D927.12472E35@home.com> Message-ID: <3BDFB7D5.39A2329C@home.com> Thanks for all the input, both here and direct. I was in somewhat of a hurry to get things working before the WW (wasn't that a great contest? Most contesting fun I ever had) so I didn't really say enough, causing many people to take time better spent on antennas to try to help me. I apologize for that. What follows is probably of no interest to anyone except those who replied (other than a great trivia question about the first dot com). 1. Why am I clicking on command.com instead of accessing the DOS prompt available in the Win 98 Start Menu? When I first got TR I wasn't used to running DOS programs in the Win OS (although my DOS experience goes back to earlier than 3.3) so, the way I set things up, clicking on Start Menu|Programs|MS-DOS Prompt runs a batch file which starts TR in a DOS box and sets things up the way I want. Not the way I would do it now but you gotta love a system that runs TR anytime you run DOS. At the very least, I would now create a new shortcut to do this but, it works, so tidying it up is low on my list. However, sometimes I want DOS and not TR. In Win98 the Start Menu DOS Prompt selection is simply a short cut to command.com which is the real DOS program. So, like any other .com or .exe file, double clicking command.com in the Explorer root directory will open a DOS box. (I just realized that DOS could be the first Dot Com. Will have to check the old CP/M stuff to be sure. Can I blame DOS for all the money I lost on the last Dot Com?) My statement that I double clicked on command.com was an attempt to show that the problem wasn't with how I set up TR inasmuch as I was invoking DOS directly. I managed to give someone the impression that, to start TR, I double clicked command.com. No, I start TR by clicking the MS-DOS selection in Start|Programs. I doubt that anyone else in the world does it this way. 2. Reboot into DOS 2.a. Cold boot. Start Menu|Shut Down|Shut down Restart the computer by turning its power back on - Hit F8 The computer ignored F8 and started Windows. I have used F8 many times before, so I know it isn't that I pressed F8 at the wrong time. 2.b. Warm boot Start Menu|Shut Down|Restart in MS-DOS Mode Crash! Thanks for your help everyone. I find that my problem is more serious in that I seem to have lost my sound card too. For details, see my CQWW SSB story on [3830]. I'll resolve this somehow but this reflector isn't the place to do it. Thanks again for your help and QRZ Papa5? ...oops 73 de Jim Smith VE7FO -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From n4zr@contesting.com Wed Oct 31 08:53:55 2001 From: n4zr@contesting.com (Pete Smith) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 03:53:55 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] First try at SO2R In-Reply-To: <20011030195401.C7444@loja.kkn.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20011030155030.0092b100@pop.abs.adelphia.net> <3.0.5.32.20011030155030.0092b100@pop.abs.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011031035355.008d9950@pop.abs.adelphia.net> At 07:54 PM 10/30/01 -0800, K5TR wrote: >On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:50:30PM -0500, Pete Smith wrote: >> >> I've been inclined to run Two Radio Mode = False because that seems a >> little more forgiving, particularly for someone who is used to hearing his >> CW being sent and concerned about being confused by the two radios >> transmitting automagically. However, after I finish a QSO on the S&P >> radio, the manual says the software should switch back to the run radio and >> to CQ mode. Neither thing happens. > > >This is because that feature is turned on by setting the >TWO RADIO MODE = TRUE. The manual says that this is supposed to happen even if TRM=False. However, others have confirmed that it doesn't work. 73, Pete N4ZR -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From K2ONP@aol.com Wed Oct 31 15:15:35 2001 From: K2ONP@aol.com (K2ONP@aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:15:35 EST Subject: [TRLog] IC-765 Radio Control Message-ID: <11e.6a4c55c.29116f97@aol.com> Hello All; Used TR for the first time for CQP and CQWW SSB. Am having significant problems with controlling my IC-765. Problems as follows: 1. If I type a frequency in khz, radio QSY's: no problem. 2. If I type in a frequency and QSY, the filter settings (CW) which I have set for narrow revert to wide. For the way I operate, this is a show stopper. 3. If I use the (-) key to go split, it goes split. However, the transmit VFO may be either VFO A or VFO B. Totally unpredictable. 4. Radio QSY with right and left shift keys does not work. Radio control using same interface and CT is flawless. Setting is 4800 baud with ICOM interface. No other significant problems running other parts of TR. Other than getting a new radio, any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Geo K2ONP -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca Wed Oct 31 16:18:17 2001 From: jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca (Sylvan Katz) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:18:17 -0600 Subject: [TRLog] IC-765 Radio Control References: <11e.6a4c55c.29116f97@aol.com> Message-ID: <006001c16227$ca086940$6400a8c0@selfsimilar> Geo > problems with controlling my IC-765. Problems as follows: Snip >4. Radio QSY with right and left shift keys does not work. I have the same problem with my Icom 736. Over the past couple of years there have been a number of problems reported concerning controlling the Icom radios. I wonder if there might be an opportunity for some of us who use Icoms to offer to help Tree clean up these problems so that we too can experience a full featured radio interface. Just a thought. .. sylvan ---------------- Sylvan Katz, VE5ZX Saskatoon, SK -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From Alan Kaul" <006001c16227$ca086940$6400a8c0@selfsimilar> Message-ID: <000601c1622b$84ba4440$6d28cd18@charterpipeline.com> I am running as a backup rig the Icom IC-725 -- about 10-years-old and absolutely bottom of the line. I run it at 1200 baud and have not had a problem. Has anyone experiencing problems with IC765 or IC736 tried changing the baud rate? Alan Kaul, W6RCL, LaCanada, CA w6rcl@amsat.org http://home.att.net/~alan.kaul/index.html -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From cfullgraf@sprynet.com Wed Oct 31 20:14:24 2001 From: cfullgraf@sprynet.com (Chuck Fullgraf) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:14:24 -0500 Subject: [TRLog] Icom Radio Control with TR Message-ID: <004c01c16248$a4954d60$4e0e56d1@charlesf> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C1621E.B9C01A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll be glad to assist. My 756's (Pro and straight) do a few screwy things when sent certain = commands by TR, and a slower baud rate does not make a difference. The split mode does not work correctly, TR changes the wrong freq = without some manual pre-intervention. (Ten-Tecs, at least the Omni VI's = have a similar affliction)=20 Also, TR switches the radio to a different filter ("narrow" on the = straight 756, Filter 2 on the 'Pro) when jumping to a new frequency by = typing the freq in the call window. On the 'Pro, I've changed my wide = filter to the filter 2 position to get around this. A workable, but not = really desirable when bleary eyed and tired. There are some other things that don't work (shift keys changing freq = for one) but I don't use them so I don't remember what else does not = work as advertised. Chuck, KE4OAR ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C1621E.B9C01A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'll be glad to assist.
 
My 756's (Pro and straight) do a few = screwy things=20 when sent certain commands by TR, and a slower baud rate does not make a = difference.
 
The split mode does not work correctly, = TR changes=20 the wrong freq without some manual pre-intervention. (Ten-Tecs, at least = the=20 Omni VI's have a similar affliction)
 
Also, TR switches the radio to a = different filter=20 ("narrow" on the straight 756, Filter 2 on the 'Pro) when jumping to a = new=20 frequency by typing the freq in the call window. On the 'Pro, I've = changed my=20 wide filter to the filter 2 position to get around this. A workable, but = not=20 really desirable when bleary eyed and tired.
 
There are some other things that don't = work (shift=20 keys changing freq for one) but I don't use them so I don't remember = what else=20 does not work as advertised.
 
Chuck, = KE4OAR
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C1621E.B9C01A00-- -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html From dl2zav@darc.de Wed Oct 31 22:53:32 2001 From: dl2zav@darc.de (Udo DL2ZAV) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:53:32 +0100 Subject: [TRLog] What's In The Zone References: Message-ID: <012b01c16264$41349020$fc0401d9@udo> CQ WW contesters, wouldn't it already help a bit if you added something like that at the end of your CTY.DAT to re-organize the remaining mult display?: REMAINING MULTS ... 14: EI G GM GW PA DL ON F ... 15: OH ES YL LY UA2 SP OK ... (see section 6.3 of the manual) -- 73, Udo dl2zav@darc.de Ich funke mit TR-Log von N6TR. TR-Log-Online-Home-Page in Deutsch: www.trlog.onlinehome.de -- FAQ on WWW: http://www.contesting.com/FAQ/trlog Submissions: trlog@contesting.com Administrative requests: trlog-REQUEST@contesting.com Problems: owner-trlog@contesting.com Feature Wishlist: http://web.jzap.com/n6tr/trwish.html