[UK-CONTEST] CTJ for Jubilee Contest

[Tim-M5ACC]

> de-facto standard. I can't understand how in the header section you can
> insert your claimed score but not show points and multipliers against
> each QSO. So, after NFD you won't be able to tell us of your score here
> on the reflector.

But at least when the contests over the score is all they'll have to work
out, not go through the log editing it to a correct format. The log file
will be ready to go.
The whole reason why I think supporting a cabrillo format will be good is
because some may want or have to use a logger that doesn't directly support
the contest. Because the set-up of some of our 599-001 exchange contests
it's quite possible to get by using another software on a different contest
set-up , mults if any usually follow the usual theme so it's still possible
to track them etc. The only thing that gets messed up is the scoring and
usually the final log format, so there is always lots of post contest log
editing.
At least if we supported a cabrillo format that uses a 599-001 type template
it would be possible to take part and be able to submit a log hassle free in
an accepted format.

> will have found that ARRL is very prescriptive about the content of the
> Cabrillo file. This is largely because the logs are received by a robot.
> If the robot thinks there is anything wrong with the file then it rejects
> the
> entry and you have to correct it and re-submit, and you might take
> several attempts to get it right. If the RSGB goes for Cabrillo then you
> will
> have to make sure your log contains the additional data required for the
> contest, otherwise it will be rejected

I don't think the robot thing is mandatory, I don't seem to remember it
being used early on when cabrillo was first started. Bad logs and missing
information can still be picked up the old fashioned manual way I'm sure.
Although personally I like the idea, op's should be responsible
for the logs they send, not leave it someone else to tell what, where it is
wrong and how to fix it. Even so I do believe even the robot tells them
where the log is at fault when it's rejected!

I not putting forward cabrillo as the new standard, but it has a very strong
case to be at least one of our supported formats.
Nearly every piece of general/contest logger I know to exports a form of
cabrillo, and if it doesn't there is software around to convert it.

>I would prefer you to make the small investment and buy
> SD which will include SDR. By all means use CT or whatever for the
> contest, but then run SDR to find out what your score is.

I won't be getting SDR.
I don't want to appear too selfish on this subject but as the national
society they should be providing solutions for us, not the other way round.
They should be able to accept which ever format is the most popular between
software's. We shouldn't be having to buy software because it outputs a
format they accept.
I think the fact that such a program as SDR was designed indicates that
there are flaws in the current format list the RSGB accept.

Tim-M5ACC.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Lawley" <g4buo at compuserve.com>
To: "UK Reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
Cc: "G3UFY" <g3ufy at tesco.net>
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] CTJ for Jubilee Contest


> Message text written by "Tim-M5ACC"
> >Will the RSGB start using SDR+SD as a conversion tool?
> If the RSGB use SDR they can covert cabrillo files into RSGB format, that
> way I can use my preferred logging software and not have to purchase
> another
> one just for domestic contests :-)
> The logger will screw the scoring up during the contest but at least it
> will
> output a useable format at the end without having to spend hours faffing
> around editing it.<
>
> The HFCC is looking at this. Some contests (e.g. AFS) can be
> accommodated by Cabrillo. Some have additional data and this
> will mean we will have to publish our own definition to accommodate
> the extra fields, Club Calls is a good example of this. What we are
> NOT going to do is to change our contests to fit Cabrillo!
>
> Cabrillo contains some good ideas but it was 'designed' for a limited
> number of contests and is not general purpose. We had hoped to use
> ADIF which is extensible, but experience has shown there are as many
> dialects of ADIF as there are logging programs. I have numerous examples
> from the IOTA contest and we had plenty of problems getting them all
> converted from the ADIF 'standard'
>
> I remain unhappy about some aspects of Cabrillo, but it is becoming the
> de-facto standard. I can't understand how in the header section you can
> insert your claimed score but not show points and multipliers against
> each QSO. So, after NFD you won't be able to tell us of your score here
> on the reflector. I would prefer you to make the small investment and buy
> SD which will include SDR. By all means use CT or whatever for the
> contest, but then run SDR to find out what your score is.
>
> The Committee hasn't discussed this aspect in detail yet, but some of you
> will have found that ARRL is very prescriptive about the content of the
> Cabrillo file. This is largely because the logs are received by a robot.
> If the robot thinks there is anything wrong with the file then it rejects
> the
> entry and you have to correct it and re-submit, and you might take
> several attempts to get it right. If the RSGB goes for Cabrillo then you
> will
> have to make sure your log contains the additional data required for the
> contest, otherwise it will be rejected. Think of Ropoco. It would actually
> be much simpler to use SD for this contest, then there's nothing else you
> have to do. Of course SD already has the capability to produce a Cabrillo
> file.
>
> You'll see from January Radcom that Cabrillo is not one of the formats
> we accept at present, but if this policy changes it will be published in
> time for
> the next contest season.
>
> Dave G4BUO
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