[UK-CONTEST] 80M SSB Contest report - G3NKC

Mon Mar 22 01:53:46 EST 2004

In some respect what Colin says is true in every contest;  so Colin, what's
wrong with a contest that identifies you as the TOP GM on 100w?   I think
that's about as close to a level playing field that the HFCC would achieve.

The big problem as I see it is the operators who operate within the rules
unfairly treated in having to compete against those who have no respect for
the rules.  I bet some will come back with - "it was forever thus" but is
that a good enough reason to continue the procedure.

Mike
G3VAO

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Col" <col at v21mail.co.uk>
To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 80M SSB Contest report - G3NKC

> Come and and do AFS from GM and then you really will be guaranteed not to
be
> competitive with your 100 watts! It does not matter how much power you run
> its location location location for AFS in its current format.
>
> Colin gm0rlz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Brice-Stevens <paul at g0wat.demon.co.uk>
> To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 80M SSB Contest report - G3NKC
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I understand Chris's point about all's fair in Love and Contesting and
> > to a certain extent there is a lot of legitimised cheating when it comes
> > to power levels...both here there and everywhere...between you and your
> > conscience I suppose (Oh how we struggle with that conscience!)
> >
> > My point however in all this has been I DON'T CARE IF YOU RUN 2500
> > Watts...I just do not wish to be classified in the same section as you
> > in AFS if I am running 100w...despite blather backwards and forwards on
> > this subject
> > no-one has actually come up with a reason why there should not be
> > separate power classes in a contest where the power limits are
> > flagrantly broken...because you are not 'competitive' running 100w
> > instead of 2500w keeping the status quo appears to me to smack of the
> > 'Matilda' reasoning of...
> >
> > I Big, your Small,
> > I Right , your Wrong,
> > and there's nothing you can do about it...
> >
> > ...I would be surprised if anyone has actually reached the top ten box
> > in AFS without running an Amp (I'm not decrying their talent here...I've
> > no doubt that most top tens can beat most anyone else into a cocked
> > hat)...therefore the original claim stands...why are there not separate
> > power class's?...the fact that people at one time did not fill in
> > Equipment codes...or may live in a different part of the country has no
> > bearing on this basic question.
> >
> > If 5/100/S+CAD W classes were included in AFS (and others) I am sure it
> > would not effect the overall standing among the 'competitive' stations
> > at all...it would however allow those of us who are not regular SPLAT
> > members to have something to compete for...thus serving the interests of
> > all competitors who take part in such an event...If you are 58th in the
> > overall listing running 100w and 3rd 100w station overall you have
> > achieved something...if you are 58th in a listing which does not allow a
> > separate power level competition to run within it YOU ARE JUST 58th...
> >
> > 73 de Paul G0WAT (QRP/ to QRO and all sins in between)
> >
> > QRO can sometime be like clubbing a seal in a barrel...requires little
> > brains, is not a pretty sight and makes an awful mess...then again calm
> > down dear it's only hobby!
> >
> >
> >
> > In message <MCBBILFIBOJAEJJDMDLEKEHACHAA.g3sjj at btinternet.com>, G3SJJ
> > <g3sjj at btinternet.com> writes
> > >- My pleasure, Mike.
> > >
> > >- Well, going back about 15 years I probably passed you at 120mph but
> these
> > >days I am more likely to see if I can get you hooked on to the
> Freelander's
> > >towbar!
> > >
> > >- There is at least one UK contester who says there is no such thing as
> > >"Spirit" as in "Rules and Spirit of the Contest."
> > >
> > >- Nope. All's fair in love and contesting
> > >
> > >Chris G3SJJ    - Family Motto - Life is too short for QRP.
> > >Founder member of the G-QRO Club and Editor of the Club's digest
"Splat"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Mike Farmer [mailto:G3VAO at Hortonbrook.freeserve.co.uk]
> > >Sent: 20 March 2004 21:58
> > >To: G3SJJ; UK Reflector
> > >Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 80M SSB Contest report - G3NKC
> > >
> > >
> > >Wow!!! I now know how a fisherman feels when he gets a bite followed by
> the
> > >biggest fish in the pond!!
> > >
> > >Chris I assume that you are driving one of the cars that goes past me
at
> > >100mph+ when I am only doing 80+ on a motorway - The law is there to be
> > >broken seems to be your attitude.
> > >
> > >We must meet one day!!!
> > >
> > >But has the discussion even made you think of attempting to made uk
> > >contesting a fairer game for everyone at this point I include a quote
> from
> > >Paul
> > >"It appears to me somewhat unfair to be placed in the same section
> whether
> > >you are running 5w, 100w or 400w...however requiring everyone to be
> placed
> > >in the same section when some are running 2500w seems
> > >indefensible..."
> > >
> > >That's how G operators feel running 100watts to a beam in RSGB contest.
> > >
> > >73 de Mike
> > >G3VAO
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "G3SJJ" <g3sjj at btinternet.com>
> > >To: "UK Reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> > >Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 11:00 AM
> > >Subject: RE: [UK-CONTEST] 80M SSB Contest report - G3NKC
> > >
> > >
> > >> With respect and putting it very mildly, that is a load of claptrap!
> > >>
> > >> 1 - There is this thing called the British Disease. You know - We are
> an
> > >> island and not in Eu, save the Pound, long live Beloo, we must stick
to
> > >the
> > >> power limits.     Irrespective of any local licence conditions, there
> are
> > >> several internationally recognised power breaks : Standard
Transceiver
> > >> Power, Standard Contest and DXing Power, S+CAD. Listen to the 3B9C
> > >pile-up,
> > >> ask what power is 3B9C running, what power are the callers running?
> > >>
> > >> The British Disease could also be prominent in the IOTA contest
> multi-op
> > >> section. As good honest UK ops we interpret the rules how we think
the
> > >> sponsors intended them. There is strong suspicion amongst us stout
> fellows
> > >> that some other Eu groups are interpreting them how they want to. So
> you
> > >see
> > >> us Brits are so bad after all!!
> > >>
> > >> Running extended power is not new, is not limited to contesting and
is
> not
> > >> limited to UK only stations.  Why do we have to keep going through
this
> > >> silly discussion?
> > >>
> > >> I was recently exchanging memories of 160m DXing with a friend. I
> > >mentioned
> > >> the late G3GRL, my CW and 160m mentor, who back in the 1960s ran a
pair
> of
> > >> 813s at around 500w out when the limit was 10w DC input. I was
> introduced
> > >to
> > >> 100w by my peers at that stage. From then on I always ran STP.  Come
on
> > >> Mike, surely you are not that naive. What about the all the big UK,
EU
> and
> > >> ROW DXers? What about the very late G2NM?  Surely you remember the
late
> > >> G3FXB, top DXer and contester.
> > >>
> > >> 2 - On your second point. I couldn't care a jot what you wish to
> believe
> > >or
> > >> not believe. In AFS, like the 80m Cumulatives, if the rules say 100w,
I
> > >will
> > >> use 100w.
> > >>
> > >> Go to 5B4 and have a look at the 3 P3A sites.  Come on Mike, live in
> the
> > >> real world
> > >>
> > >> Chris G3SJJ
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Mike Farmer [mailto:G3VAO at Hortonbrook.freeserve.co.uk]
> > >> Sent: 19 March 2004 22:41
> > >> To: G3SJJ; David L Sharred; Dave Lawley; UK Reflector
> > >> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] 80M SSB Contest report - G3NKC
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > One interesting point is that in AFS most competitive stations
would
> be
> > >> > using SCAD (Standard Contesting and DXing) Power, ie 800 to 1200w,
> with
> > >a
> > >> > few using S+CAD, 1500-2500w, yet in the 80m CC with everyone using
> 100w,
> > >> > there were still problems.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> Must have another look at the BR 68 I must be missing something
> > >>
> > >> > - Might be worth limiting AFS to 100w. I would be happy to go along
> with
> > >> that.
> > >>
> > >> If you cannot restrict yourself to 400 in other contests what makes
you
> > >> think we will belive you are at 100 in the AFS???
> > >>
> > >> Mike
> > >> G3VAO
> > >>
> > >>
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