[UK-CONTEST] UK-Contest Digest, Vol 38, Issue 19
Bob Beebe
gu4yox at cwgsy.net
Sat Feb 18 07:16:05 EST 2006
For Me All Significant Tests SO
= SD
Very Powerful Now.
73
Bob
GU4YOX
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> 1. N1MM in UK (G3RIR)
> 2. Re: N1MM in UK (G3SJJ)
> 3. RSGB contests in N1MM (Clive Whelan)
> 4. Re: RSGB contests in N1MM (G3RIR)
> 5. Re: RSGB contests in N1MM (Paul O'Kane)
> 6. Re: RSGB contests in N1MM (Dave Lawley)
> 7. Re: N1MM in UK (G3RXP)
> 8. Re: N1MM in UK (G3SJJ)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:32:35 -0000
>From: "G3RIR" <g3rir at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [UK-CONTEST] N1MM in UK
>To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>Message-ID: <005f01c633f8$e7a983b0$0402a8c0 at g3rir3>
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>Hi,
>
>Many of us UK amateurs are using N1MM as the preferred contesting software particularly where networking is concerned. However the interface to MMTTY and the superb bandmap facility amongst many other features make it first choice anyway.
>
>I have been discussing very briefly with the writers of the software enabling some of the RSGB contests more specifically.
>
>I find that it is possible to use the WPX variants for many RSGB HF contests but it makes no attempt to score them correctly. A recent posting suggested the use of DXSERIAL as the contest type to use for RSGB contests but this allows an entry to be logged wthout an incoming serial number and it is then rather cumbersome to add it later.
>
>VHFREG1 contest type works well for many VHF contests in the UK and Europe. The main draw-back it has is that it deafults to S9 reports which is not the norm for Eu VHF contests.
>
>The writers of the N1MM software will consider taking on board a few RSGB contests but only with the following being taken into account.
>
>We already support quite a few, Neil, and our guy who does most of the contest programming is stretched a bit thin these days (real job, advanced degree studies, etc.). As a result I have asked that when nominating a contest for support, MM users should indicate how many entries the contest received last year, when the next running will be, and provide a web site or other source for up-to-date rules. I have also asked that a person who nominates a contest make himself available for thorough testing before the module is released. And finally, I have warned that support for a specific contest cannot be guaranteed on any sort of timetable, because some prioritization is necessary, both among N1MM developments and with the real world.
>
>Given these considerations, we generally find it more satisfactory if the person proposing a given contest is someone who has a direct, specific interest in it. Frankly, an effort to "beat the bushes" for UK contests is likely to result in some disappointments. If you want to put this around to the UK community, though, and make it clear that we're open to proposals with these conditions understood, that's fine.
>
>73, Pete
>
>So UK contesters let me have your thoughts about RSGB contests and I'll collate them and pass them on to Pete.
>
>Neil, G3RIR
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:32:06 +0000
>From: G3SJJ <g3sjj at btinternet.com>
>Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] N1MM in UK
>Cc: uk-contest at contesting.com
>Message-ID: <43F64EE6.6010606 at btinternet.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Neil, you need to be sure you are differentiating between scoring and
>the ability to log incoming information.
>
>Over the last 10 years I have used K8CC's NA, then Writelog and now N1MM
>for all RSGB Contests. It was always easy to put the .log file into
>Excel, run some checks and then sort it for scoring. With the Cabrillo
>standard now, there is no requirement to submit a claimed score and the
>logging program doesn't need this facility. Therefore, scoring during
>and after most RSGB HF Contests is unnecessary.
>
>For example, in the 160m contests, no-one is really bothered whether a
>station is a new bonus. You want maximum number of contacts. Likewise in
>CW Field Day, all you need is a count of Band Qs to compare with your
>target. SSB FD, you want to now if it is a new DXCC country. Hopefully
>21/28 Contests will be re-vamped!
>
>The main requirement really is for the program to be able to log an
>incoming exchange and this is the weakest area that I have experienced.
>Usually you can find another supported contest which is near enough.
>
>I think you should resist calls for all or most contests RSGB Contests
>to be supported but concentrate on getting coverage for the most
>suitable ones. As you say, band maps and networking are the strong
>points of N1MM so strengthening the IOTA Contest module would probably
>be the first thing to look at, probably then Commonwealth Contest since
>there is a large non-G contingent who would probably want to use N1MM.
>
>My feeling is that SD covers the smaller single-op events perfectly well
>so anyone wanting full scoring in those events are adequately catered for.
>
>To summarise:
>- add Commonwealth Contest (is the Jubilee module near enough?
>- strengthen IOTA
>- forget the rest
>
>That way, you retain the goodwill of the N1MM support team.
>
>Chris G3SJJ
>
>
>G3RIR wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Many of us UK amateurs are using N1MM as the preferred contesting software particularly where networking is concerned. However the interface to MMTTY and the superb bandmap facility amongst many other features make it first choice anyway.
>>
>>I have been discussing very briefly with the writers of the software enabling some of the RSGB contests more specifically.
>>
>>I find that it is possible to use the WPX variants for many RSGB HF contests but it makes no attempt to score them correctly. A recent posting suggested the use of DXSERIAL as the contest type to use for RSGB contests but this allows an entry to be logged wthout an incoming serial number and it is then rather cumbersome to add it later.
>>
>>VHFREG1 contest type works well for many VHF contests in the UK and Europe. The main draw-back it has is that it deafults to S9 reports which is not the norm for Eu VHF contests.
>>
>>The writers of the N1MM software will consider taking on board a few RSGB contests but only with the following being taken into account.
>>
>>We already support quite a few, Neil, and our guy who does most of the contest programming is stretched a bit thin these days (real job, advanced degree studies, etc.). As a result I have asked that when nominating a contest for support, MM users should indicate how many entries the contest received last year, when the next running will be, and provide a web site or other source for up-to-date rules. I have also asked that a person who nominates a contest make himself available for thorough testing before the module is released. And finally, I have warned that support for a specific contest cannot be guaranteed on any sort of timetable, because some prioritization is necessary, both among N1MM developments and with the real world.
>>
>>Given these considerations, we generally find it more satisfactory if the person proposing a given contest is someone who has a direct, specific interest in it. Frankly, an effort to "beat the bushes" for UK contests is likely to result in some disappointments. If you want to put this around to the UK community, though, and make it clear that we're open to proposals with these conditions understood, that's fine.
>>
>>73, Pete
>>
>>So UK contesters let me have your thoughts about RSGB contests and I'll collate them and pass them on to Pete.
>>
>>Neil, G3RIR
>>
>>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:43:39 -0000
>From: "Clive Whelan" <clive.whelan at btinternet.com>
>Subject: [UK-CONTEST] RSGB contests in N1MM
>To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>Message-ID: <NJEKIHLAGJFHHNGLLDFMCEKOFJAA.clive.whelan at btinternet.com>
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>Courtesy of PA1M, here's how to configure various events. Minimal post
>contest work required. Go for it!
>
>
>73
>
>
>Clive
>GW3NJW
>
>
>
>80m Club Championships
> use DXSERIAL
> Sent Exchange: 001
> Exchange key: #
>
>Affiliated Societies Team Contest
> use DXSERIAL
> Sent Exchange: 001
> Qso points have to be changed from 1 to 10 in output file.
> Total points = 10 times score
>
>1st 1.8Mhz Contest
> use RSGB160
> Fully supported
>
>Commonwealth Contest
> use RSGBJUBILE
> have to check the differences
>
>RoPoCo
> use DX
> use Comment field for postcode
> Sent Exchange: postcode
> Exchange key: postcode
> Qso points have to be changed from 1 to 10 in output file.
> Total points = 10 times score
>
>National Field Day
> use FDREG1
> Fully supported
>
>Low Power Field Day
> use DXSERIAL use Comment field for power
> Sent Exchange: 001
> Exchange key: # 2W5
> Qso points have to be changed afterwards to have
> a correct generic log
>
>IOTA Contest
> use IOTA
> Fully supported
>
>SSB Field Day
> use FDREG1
> Fix points afterewards
>
>21/28Mhz Contest
> use DXSERIAL use Comment field for District code
> Sent Exchange: 001
> Exchange key: # Dictrict code
> Qso points and mults have to be changed afterwards
> to have a correct generic log
>
>Club Calls
> use DXSERIAL use Comment field for Other data
> Sent Exchange: 001
> Exchange key: # Other data
> Qso points have to be changed afterwards
> to have a correct generic log
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 4
>Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:13:49 -0000
>From: "G3RIR" <g3rir at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] RSGB contests in N1MM
>To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>Message-ID: <001301c6346b$a10fa560$0402a8c0 at g3rir3>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
>Clive et al,
>
>the problem with using DXSERIAL for RSGB contests is that it will let you
>log a contact which doesn't have an incoming serial number.
>
>Maybe you are much better at editing on the fly but is causes me grief if
>I've managed to log a QSO that needs immediate editing.
>
>The WPX variants insist on the serial number so is much better for most RSGB
>contests.
>
>Neil, G3RIR
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 5
>Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:18:35 -0000
>From: "Paul O'Kane" <pokane at ei5di.com>
>Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] RSGB contests in N1MM
>To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>Message-ID: <001301c6346c$4da83760$0101a8c0 at MEDION>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
>Here's how to configure SD for various RSGB events.
>
>80m Club Championships: SD - "RSGB CC" template
>AFS Team Contest : SD - "RSGB AFS" template
>1.8 MHz Contest : SD - "RSGB 1.8 UK" template
>Commonwealth Contest : SDC
>RoPoCo : SD - "RSGB RoPoCo" template
>NFD : SD - "RSGB NFD" template
>Low Power Field Day : SD - "RSGB LP FD" template
>IOTA Contest : SDI
>SSB Field Day : SD - "RSGB FD SSB" template
>21/28 MHz Contest : SD - "RSGB 21/28" template
>
>
>Zero post-contest manipulation required. Cabrillo logs
>are correctly formatted, with no missing QSO fields.
>Displayed score is correct at all times. Mults, bonuses,
>dupes, and mult/band/mode analyses, are shown as you type
>callsign characters. No Alt-this or Ctrl-that. Serial &
>parallel port support. WinKey & 2-radio support. Simple
>to add new events - you can do it yourself. "Local" and
>immediate support. SD is a 32-bit Windows program with a
>console (text) interface.
>
>If you haven't tried SD recently, you may not know this.
>
>73,
>Paul EI5DI
>
>
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>
>Message: 6
>Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:52:29 +0000
>From: Dave Lawley <g4buo at compuserve.com>
>Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] RSGB contests in N1MM
>To: uk Contest Reflector <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>Message-ID: <43F6EE5D.6040509 at compuserve.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
>Don't forget Win-Test. Supports RSGB contests, including Beru!
>
>G4BUO
>
>
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>
>Message: 7
>Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:11:32 -0000
>From: "G3RXP" <g3rxp at btinternet.com>
>Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] N1MM in UK
>To: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>Message-ID: <000901c63473$b1718c90$0301a8c0 at homeaeuonliwn0>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
>____________________________________________________________________
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "G3SJJ" <g3sjj at btinternet.com>
>
>Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] N1MM in UK
>
>
>. With the Cabrillo standard now, there is no requirement to submit a
>claimed score and the
>> logging program doesn't need this facility. Therefore, scoring during
>> and after most RSGB HF Contests is unnecessary.
>______________________________________________________________________
>Chris
>
>I agree with you on the lack of scoring info per contact in the Cabrillo
>file , however I would never send a log off without having a claimed score.
>It not only gives the station a good idea on how he is doing during but also
>for scrutiny after the test.
>I would not accept any logs as an adjudicator without a claimed score.
>
>So having a program that's scores correctly is a big benefit, saying that I
>do use N1MM most of the time now, and checking the log after the contest is
>essential.
>
>PS - Thanks for your input re- N1MM and the 160 scoring in the RSGB Test.
>
>Dave G3RXP
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:05:38 +0000
>From: G3SJJ <g3sjj at btinternet.com>
>Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] N1MM in UK
>Cc: uk-contest at contesting.com
>Message-ID: <43F70D92.2010009 at btinternet.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Not sure about your logic here Dave. Cabrillo does not support points
>allocation although there is space in the header, the rules for RSGB HF
>Contests don't require a summary sheet and claimed score listings are no
>longer published. There is ano call for claimes scores to be submitted
>in the General Rulkes unless you are submitting paper log, whatever they
>are!!
>
>Can't think that I have calculated scores for such as 160m Contests or
>Field Days for several years now. There is certainly a case for a sanity
>check on your own log to weed out any funnies and I have used Excel to
>do that over a number of years. There is a program called SH5 which
>pulls out some good check and stats now.
>
>I was amused by a request, I think on this Reflector, for Wronglog to
>support AFS scoring. Yer what? Presumably the guy had difficulty with
>adding a zero into his Q total!! I guess AFS points could come down to 1
>point per Q now. The only reason it was put at 10, as I recall, was to
>allow points deduction for errors in the exchange, ie 3 points per
>error. That has since been abolished. So for AFS and Cumulatives you
>only need a program that will accept an incoming serial number and
>produce a Cabrillo file. Can't think that I have had an NA, WL or MM
>file rejected.
>
>The requirement for multi-operators in such as IOTA, CW and SSB Field
>Day, LP FD and the old 21/28 contests are different in that networking
>and Cluster are vital. I always found NA to be very easy to set-up and
>WL was abominable. I think this is where N1MM really comes in to its own
>apart as well as all the other good things about it.
>
>73 Chris G3SJJ
>
>
>G3RXP wrote:
>
>>____________________________________________________________________
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "G3SJJ" <g3sjj at btinternet.com>
>>
>>Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] N1MM in UK
>>
>>
>>. With the Cabrillo standard now, there is no requirement to submit a
>>claimed score and the
>>
>>
>>>logging program doesn't need this facility. Therefore, scoring during
>>>and after most RSGB HF Contests is unnecessary.
>>>
>>>
>>______________________________________________________________________
>>Chris
>>
>>I agree with you on the lack of scoring info per contact in the Cabrillo
>>file , however I would never send a log off without having a claimed score.
>>It not only gives the station a good idea on how he is doing during but also
>>for scrutiny after the test.
>>I would not accept any logs as an adjudicator without a claimed score.
>>
>>So having a program that's scores correctly is a big benefit, saying that I
>>do use N1MM most of the time now, and checking the log after the contest is
>>essential.
>>
>>PS - Thanks for your input re- N1MM and the 160 scoring in the RSGB Test.
>>
>>Dave G3RXP
>>
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