[UK-CONTEST] Score publishing

Tue Jun 13 17:10:00 EDT 2006

I'm impressed by your display of gymnastic talent Justin.

> I don't believe that it is part of our remit to publish claimed scores.
> That is what reflectors like the one I am posting to now are for.

How should one reconcile the above with the following statement, which you
made only a couple of hours ago

> No. 2.  - Great idea Bob, but are you willing to provide the technology
and
> effort to do that?  If so let me know.

Contest entrants appreciate progressive and timely feedback.  Some contest
organisers have embraced technology and have made impressive progress in
recognition of this*.  Some have not and no doubt for what present as very
good reasons.  Steep hills, lack of will etc etc.

Organisations and individuals either forge their way forward or are left
behind.

Bob, 5B4AGN

*DARC WAE and SRR RDXC are examples.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Justin Snow" <hfcc.chairman at rsgb.org.uk>
To: <UK-Contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Score publishing

> Bob,
>
> Well there is no will at the present time and the hill is a lot steeper
> than you imagine.
> Mandating is all very well, and you will only disenfranchise those who are
> unable to comply for one reason or another.  We are trying to build an
> interest in contesting here in the UK and disqualifying all those newcomer
> contesters who fail to comply (believe me there are a lot of them)  will
be
> counter productive.
>
> I don't believe that it is part of our remit to publish claimed scores.
> That is what reflectors like the one I am posting to now are for.
>
> You claim your score if you want to.  HFCC is for publishing results
> quicker where possible.
>
> It''s your score and your ego.  You claim your score.
>
> Justin
>
>
>
>
> At 19:39 13/06/06 +0000, Bob Henderson wrote:
> >Justin,
> >
> >There is always a way for those willing to find it but those satisfied
> >bemoaning the problems they face, never will.
> >
> >If HFCC were to mandate inclusion of claimed score and category of entry
> >into the Cabrillo header or onto a summary sheet in the case of a
> >non-Cabrillo entry, you would have the information required to do this.
> >Failure to meet a mandated requirement would invalidate an entry.
> >
> >You would be publishing "claimed" not "validated" scores.  If some folks
> >want to make fools of themselves by submitting eroneous claimed scores
then
> >so be it.  You could always asterisk scores which appear inconsistent
with
> >claim summary, were you to consider it appropriate.
> >
> >Where there's the will there's a way.
> >
> >Bob, 5B4AGN
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Justin Snow" <justin at g4tsh.demon.co.uk>
> >To: "Bob Henderson" <bob at 5b4agn.net>; <UK-Contest at contesting.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 6:44 PM
> >Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Score publishing
> >
> >
> >> Sorry Bob, but I think you don't appreciate where the effort is in this
> >> process.  Publishing something that is given to you on a plate is easy,
> >our
> >> current web master Tim, M0BEW can do this.  The hard bit is extracting
the
> >> info from the logs sent to us.  And that assumes they are all in the
same
> >> format and contain a claimed score!  many of those that do are so wide
of
> >> the mark that it is irrelevant anyway.  The entrant may wish to "claim"
a
> >> certain score and publish it.
> >> We do not have any software/robot that will do this so it is a manual
> >task.
> >> As an entrant I would rather see the adjudicator spend their precious
time
> >> working out the RESULT of the contest as quickly as possible.  That is
> >what
> >> we are here for.
> >>
> >> Justin
> >>
> >> cc. UK contest
> >>
> >> At 18:18 13/06/06 +0000, Bob Henderson wrote:
> >> >Justin
> >> >
> >> >Neither the technology nor the effort is significant.  If you are
serious
> >> >and the HFCC lacks the technical capability and effort necessary to do
> >this,
> >> >then I do indeed offer to do it for you.
> >> >
> >> >The logical place to publish this information is on the HFCC website.
> >You
> >> >will need to give me FTP access.
> >> >
> >> >You will need to arrange for claimed score information to be sent to
me
> >> >within hours of the deadline.
> >> >
> >> >I should point out that the process of formatting claimed scores to
send
> >> >them to me is equivalent in labour terms to formatting an html page of
> >> >claimed scores to be uploaded to the HFCC website.  Then the process
of
> >> >linking and loading the page to the site would take no more than a few
> >> >minutes.
> >> >
> >> >Do you have a manager/author for the HFCC website?
> >> >
> >> >Bob, 5B4AGN
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Justin Snow" <hfcc.chairman at rsgb.org.uk>
> >> >To: <UK-Contest at contesting.com>
> >> >Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:50 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Score publishing
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> At 17:44 13/06/06 +0000, you wrote:
> >> >> >Not unusual but I take a rather different view!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Whether individuals or teams publish their claimed score is
> >discretionary
>
> >> >> >not mandatory.  While such discretion, exists it seems unfair to
> >pilory
> >> >> >those who choose not to do so.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I think a better approach would be for sponsors to:-
> >> >> >
> >> >> >1. Ensure log submission deadlines are no longer than absolutely
> >> >necessary.
> >> >> >2. Publish claimed scores to the web within 24 hours after reaching
> >the
> >> >> >deadline for receipt of entries.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Some of our more dynamic European cousins are already doing this.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Bob, 5B4AGN
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> No. 2.  - Great idea Bob, but are you willing to provide the
technology
> >> >and
> >> >> effort to do that?  If so let me know.
> >> >>
> >> >> some of our so called more dynamic EU cousins seem to have a lot of
> >free
> >> >> time and cheap resources on their hands.
> >> >>
> >> >> Justin, G4TSH
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Justin Snow  G4TSH
> >> >>
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