[UK-CONTEST] set top box

[David - M0ZLB]

Colin,

It wasn't a personal attack, it wasn't aimed at you (I don't know if you 
went to Dayton) but I know two who did!

David

Colin wrote:
> David,
>
> In view of the veiled personal attack in your last reply I will respond 
> off-line.
>
> 73
>
> Colin, G3PSM
>
> David - M0ZLB wrote:
>   
>> Actually, thinking about it a bit further, if my opinion is "outdated 
>> and incorrect" then can someone show me where the legislation is that 
>> a) ensures that the amateur service is protected, b) all "CE" (crappy 
>> European") stuff is equivalent to or better than FCC part 15 to 
>> further protect the service!
>>
>> If this isn't enshrined in legislation somewhere (and lets face it, it 
>> isn't) then this is the very bare minimum that RSGB and associated 
>> interested parties should be striving for instead of the two highest 
>> officers of the RSGB swanning off on a Dayton jolly recently!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> David - M0ZLB wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi Colin,
>>>
>>> Hmmm...things must have changed in the last 6 months or so (?)
>>>
>>> I have an HF beam in the back and noticed late last year that about 
>>> 5.30pm I was receiving +6 interference especially on 20m, it was like 
>>> the wife's hair dryer! At 9.30pm, it disappeared!
>>>
>>> I spent ages looking for the culprit and then thanks to friend of 
>>> mine with a portable HF set, we found the problem - a set of garden 
>>> lights in my neighbours garden that were on a timer system. I hadn't 
>>> noticed it until the nights started to draw in and the clocks went 
>>> forward.
>>>
>>> Spoke to RSGB EMC Committee - that's another story, most of them are 
>>> either dead or retired, eventually got absolutely no-where so spoke 
>>> to Ofcom!
>>>
>>> Quote from Ofcom - "tough, you are unprotected"
>>>
>>> Charming!
>>>
>>> So what to do? Go round to the neighbours and complain and risk them 
>>> asking questions in return about the antennas (whilst also knowing 
>>> that I don't have a legal leg to stand on!) or lump it!
>>>
>>> Luckily as the nights are shorter, its not so much of an issue at the 
>>> moment.
>>>
>>> I believe that the CE mark should be equivalent to FCC Part 15 
>>> inasmuch as products should be able to resist RF interference and in 
>>> turn, not be able to produce interference! Unfortunately it doesn't, 
>>> my investigations lead me to believe that few if any products are 
>>> properly tested and as we are an unprotected service, we are really 
>>> buggered!
>>>
>>> I had it out with the Chairman of the RSGB EMC Committee and his 
>>> attitude was very much "there's nothing we can really do", and when I 
>>> really pressed him he hid behind the "I'm only a volunteer" excuse 
>>> although he did ask me to join the EMC Committee but I declined as I 
>>> would probably lose my temper with them!
>>>
>>> One of my friends not 7 miles away, started interfering with a mast 
>>> mounted TV pre-amp when on 50mhz - he followed exactly the same 
>>> course of action and got no-where - in fact the EMC Committee didn't 
>>> even offer to send someone round to see if the problem could be 
>>> resolved at his end which should th every least they could do!
>>>
>>> Over to you :)
>>>
>>> David
>>> M0ZLB/KG4ZLB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Colin wrote:
>>>  
>>>       
>>>> David,
>>>>
>>>> A somewhat outdated and incorrect opinion I'm afraid!
>>>>
>>>> The RSGB in association with our sister IARU Societies in Region 1 
>>>> managed to have the the then European Directive 89/336/EEC 
>>>> amended.   This through the good offices of MEP EA8AK who works 
>>>> closely with the Region 1 Eurocomm Committee.   Incidentally RSGB 
>>>> General Manager Peter Kirby is Vice-Chairman of this committee.
>>>>
>>>> The relevant extract of the now Directive 2004/108/EC dated 15th 
>>>> December 2004 states -
>>>>      
>>>>         
>>>>> (2) Member States are responsible for ensuring that 
>>>>> radiocommunications,
>>>>> including radio broadcast reception
>>>>> and the amateur radio service operating in accordance
>>>>> with International Telecommunication Union (ITU) radio
>>>>> regulations, electrical supply networks and telecommunications
>>>>> networks, as well as equipment connected
>>>>> thereto, are protected against electromagnetic disturbance.
>>>>>           
>>>>>           
>>>> The UK Government has signed up to this agreement and Ofcom are now 
>>>> responsible to uphold this Directive.   Recent meetings between the 
>>>> RSGB and Ofcom have served to reinforce this position and the EMC 
>>>> Committee would be interested to receive reports of recent instances 
>>>> where this position has not been followed.
>>>>
>>>> In brief Peter, if Virgin Media don't do anything about it contact 
>>>> the EMC and seek their advice.
>>>>
>>>> By the way I apparently cause problems to my Virgin Media/NTL 
>>>> Samsung DTB but only when running 400W to my long wire.   Really 
>>>> asking for trouble!
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>>
>>>> Colin, G3PSM
>>>>
>>>>  David - M0ZLB wrote:
>>>>       
>>>>         
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