[UK-CONTEST] Contest cheats?

[Clive Whelan]

Peter


Could anyone doubt the correctness of what you say?

I have from time to time used ON4KST as a window on 6m conditions, 
although frankly the whole experience leaves me with a nasty taste in my 
mouth. I have seen with my own eyes DX QSOs ( usually MS/JT6) 
effectively completed via talkback on KST, and "if I ruled the world" 
these QSOs would be expunged. I have no real experience of it in 
contests on VHF, but it must surely be the case that equivalent abuse 
takes place?.

I have also used DX clusters on HF, in contests where they are not 
specifically proscribed, although frankly I regard them as an 
abhorrence. There is incontrovertible evidence via DQs in e.g. CQWW ( 
the tip of the iceberg?) that the facility is abused by stations who 
should be in the single operator assisted category using the spots. 
Sadly, certain HF contest sponsors effectively acknowledge that catching 
the cheats is almost impossible, and therefore allow use of DX clusters 
as the default entry category. Examples are WAEDC and the Russian 
contest. Of course DARC claim that it is, rather, a valid use of 
technology ( ja naturlich!).

Sadly we cannot un-invent the technology nor can we rewind personal 
ethics to a former state. Perhaps this is a good thing? We must 
therefore " consider our positions", and my own is that I no longer have 
much interest in competing per se, and I regard contests largely as a 
vehicle via which to practise the art of contesting which I have now 
been doing for nigh on 50 years. Perhaps I'll  be good in another 50 
years ;-)

73

Clive
GW3NJW



Peter Hobbs wrote:
> Ray
>
> I think we're on a slippery slope here, mate.  Any off-air exchange that 
> makes the difference between a QSO and NO QSO has to be, in my view, just as 
> serious as passing the full QSO data.  Once an external line of 
> communication has been established, almost anything can fall into that 
> category, e.g. locator, which a lot of peeps include as part of their 
> message sig.  I'm sure the RSGB Contest Committee has discussed all this 
> extensively and taken a similar view - hence their position on the subject, 
> which is really the only one they could reasonably be expected to take.
>
> I  don't know if you plan to make it down to HFC, but that's probably a 
> suitable forum for more detailed discussion.
>
> 73
> Peter G3LET
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ray James" <gm4cxm at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "UK Contest reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>; "Peter Hobbs" 
> <peter at tilgate.co.uk>
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 2:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Contest cheats?
>
>
>   
>> --- On Mon, 15/9/08, Peter Hobbs <peter at tilgate.co.uk> wrote:
>>     
>>> Do I gather then that cheating is now acceptable in V/UHF/Microwave
>>> contests?
>>>       
>>> 73Peter G3LET
>>>       
>> Absolutely not Peter and anyone or group found guilty should be subject to 
>> the following action.
>> A warning plus points deduction for minor breaches and subsequent 
>> disqualification if correction in future events does not take place.
>> Disqualification, full stop, for serious breaches.
>>
>> I define a minor breach as for example a station in Stornaway arranges a 
>> schedule on 70cm with a station in Essex and after arranging the schedule 
>> they go on to "talk" to the station in a way that would assist the 
>> completion of the contact.
>> This could be saying for example, "just needing the seriel number again"
>> A major breach would include actual exchange of contact information "off 
>> air".
>>
>> Any contest station in receipt of non-requested feedback should inform the 
>> sender that not observing contest rules and to try again later to 
>> establish contact as the contact in progress has now been made void by 
>> feedback.
>> This occurs more often than not by a non-contester giving points away 
>> rather than a competitor.
>> I do this within and outwith contests as per the guidelines on ON4KST.
>>
>> 73 Ray GM4CXM
>>
>>
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