> Are conditions really this dire?... > > 73 Dave G3YMC oh, yes, they are... especially when using ground mounted vertical with few radials and not a beam. was really surprised when GB7HQ heard me on 10m. Tried 15 but 10w did not get me far. Easy on 80. total 189 qsos and 47k points in just under half time of operation. jay m3unn