[UK-CONTEST] IOTA DXpeditions

Wed Jul 22 07:00:42 PDT 2009

Fred

Too hot??  You should pop over and join us here in the frozen North well
not really frozen but its not very warm let alone hot!  I do hope we get
wx like we had last year - the whole team came back from Arran with sun
tans, Temp was  24c+ every day and not a cloud in sight!

Colin G3VCQ/J38CW
IOTA contest - MM1M Arran EU-123.
P.S.
Ferries in Scotland are still expensive!!

-----Original Message-----
From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Fred Handscombe
Sent: 22 July 2009 11:50
To: UK-Contest
Cc: G5LP; G3NKC
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] IOTA DXpeditions

Without wishing to open a long dead can of worms; both Tom and Chris 
obviously have no idea how much it costs to hire a decent towing vehicle
for 
just one mobile mast (assuming you can actually find one available for
hire 
at all in the first place) for a 5 day weekend, let alone fuel it for a 
towing trip from East Anglia to NW Wales and over the bridge.

Have a good IOTA Contest!  Its too hot for Dxpeditions in July!

73 Fred
A65BD

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris G3SJJ" <g3sjj at btinternet.com>
Cc: "UK Contest Reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] IOTA DXpeditions

Hi Tom, I recall there being a change of status but it wasn't connected
with the contest. It was made by the IOTA Committee in a review of a
number of island's status, (statii?) Whilst I have always enjoyed the
contest I have never really understood the criteria used. I am always
amused that mainland VK is OC001 That is one big island! I think the
other changes were made after my time as adjudicator.

Our GU8D trips were very expensive. Currently a car and two people costs
£380 to Guernsey, I know 'cos I have just booked a week for Yvonne and
myself in late August. In the early years of 1996 - 2001 we also had the
additional cost of chartering a small boat to ship the gear over to
Sark. They were good days though, we all had a great time and gained a
lot of friends and knowledge of GU, including some excellent
restaurants! The 15m pile-ups to JA on the Sunday morning were exciting.
Aaah, if only now!!

73 Chris G3SJJ

tom wylie wrote:
> G3SJJ could probably gove you the definitive reason why Anglesey is no

> longer considered an Island.
>
> I remember in the early days of the IOTA Contest, it costing a fortune

> on ferries to take even one mobile mast or tower across to a Scottish 
> Island, even to the Island of Gigha which was only a 15 minute boat 
> ride. Our first venture in the mid 1990s cost us over £150 on ferry 
> fares which was our drinking money for the weekend ;-)
>
> In the meantime our English and Welsh friends were driving across the 
> Menai Straits bridge in their droves towing multiple trailers for 
> free. The rules of the Contest at that time permitted them to enter 
> the same category of Contest as all the teams travelling by boat to 
> the Scottish islands. I have to say we felt ourselves at a 
> considerable disadvantage, for Contesting purposes. Personally for the

> IOTA Scheme itself I couldn't care less if Anglesey and Skye are 
> counted as Islands or not, but in order to make the playing-field 
> level, the following rule was added.
>
>
> 5.2 The definition of DXpedition for this optional listing is one: • 
> where the island can only be reached by boat or air (islands which can

> be accessed by bridge or causeway - man-made or natural - are not 
> eligible),
>
>
> Don't you want to beat off the competition on a level playing field 
> where skill plays a part, or is it back to the good old days of win at

> any cost????
>
> Oh, and I have just checked the rules as they are printed on the 
> Internet and I see NOTHING mentioned of a 10 minute rule. Me, I'd 
> ignore any reference to it - all you do is compound the rumour. If in 
> doubt ask G3XTT.
>
> Have a great weekend, enjoy the Island hopping, enjoy the Contest.
>
>
> Tom
> GM4FDM
> Stewart Rolfe wrote:
>
>> I gather recent IOTA eu124 status of Holy Island is due to some sort 
>> of
>> 'cumulative' rule, viz -
>>
>> Ynys Mon -> Mainland = 196m = EU005 (<200m); Holy Island -> Ynys Mon 
>> = 5m
>> = 201m -> Mainland = island (all measurements subject to arguments
about 
>> state of tides etc...)
>>
>> But the argument above has just designated Ynys Mon as Mainland eu005
>> therefore the 5m separation of Holy Island is to Mainland - isn't
it?? 
>> Circular logic or what?
>>
>> Perhaps the definitive algorithm is:- "rule -> silly result = silly 
>> rule"
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Stewart Rolfe, GW0ETF
>>
>> --- On Tue, 21/7/09, G3WPF <g3wpf at sky.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Holy Island on which Holyhead is
>>> located is connected to Anglesey by both a
>>> "bridge" and a causeway.
>>>
>>> Presumably, it counts because Anglesey is an island which is not an 
>>> island and, although connected to the mainland, is not mainland
>>> either.  So,
>>> although Anglesey = EU-005 and you can pretty much .--.
>>> across to Holy
>>> Island, Holy Island obviously should be treated the same as
>>> Puffin Island
>>> (Priestholm/Ynys Seriol)?  Hmmm.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Reg
>>>
>>>
>>>
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