[UK-CONTEST] CW sending speed on 160m

[Don Beattie]

I take this as read, Mike.

But the point of the thread really is, what about the op happily sending at 
24-27 who meets a request for a repeat on 160 and slows to 12 wpm. Given the 
idiosyncrasies of 160m propagation, does that help ? My point is that it 
often does not.

Don


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Farmer" <G3VAO at ARRL.net>
To: "UK-Contest" <UK-Contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] CW sending speed on 160m


> As Don said "an interesting thread" You all seem to have forgotten that it
> used to be the practice in ALL CW QSOs to send at the speed the slower op
> can recieve at. IMHO the current tread to blast away at anything over 25 
> wpm
> is one cause for the lack of enthusiasum about CW - just where are our new
> operators going to learn and increase their skills?  It is pointles 
> sending
> your call or CQ at 35 as the slower ops can not copy it and the whole 
> world
> seems to have forgotten QRS.
>
> In a recent CQWW I heard one UK station sending QRZ QRS QRZ QRS but I 
> guess
> the auto-keyer could not understand!!!
>
> Lets get back to basics send at a speed which is likely to be read by the
> MAJORITY OF OPS
>
> Mike
> G3VAO
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roger G3SXW" <g3sxw at btinternet.com>
> To: "UK Contest reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] CW sending speed on 160m
>
>
>> Peter is right: auto CQing, at least some of them. Bad operating.
> Unethical,
>> selfish and displays SO2R incompetence. I don't know which is worse: that
> or
>> the guy who comes back to 'his' frequency 60 seconds later, hits the CQ
>> button without listening thereby stomping all over the new occupant. Also
>> bad SO2R operating! These guys need to hone their skills and remember
>> operating etiquette.
>>
>> On 160m I'd say keep varying the CW speed to suit the circumstance:
> highest
>> speed which seems to be working but slow down if not.
>> 73 de Roger/G3SXW.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Peter Hobbs" <peter at tilgate.co.uk>
>> To: "UK Contest reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] CW sending speed on 160m
>>
>>
>> > Chris
>> > A lot of the time I'd agree, but you do need to  reduce speed on
>> > marginal signals, or those with aurora on them, of which there are 
>> > often
>> > more on 160, so I guess it depends on the time of day and what you may
>> > be expecting.  ZL6QH would have been louder than 99.5% of those 
>> > calling,
>> > so I guess you could get away with it.   I'd never have copied some of
>> > the JAs during the 2nd 1.8 just gone at 35wpm though!
>> >
>> > Most of the guys who you find sending close spaced CQs are just keeping
>> > the run channel clear while they concentrate on a mult (SO2R).  Monitor
>> > the time between CQs and you find they've left it on auto.  A side
>> > effect of "progress" I guess.
>> > 73, Peter G3LET
>> >
>> > Chris Tran GM3WOJ wrote:
>> >
>> >>Hello UK-contesters
>> >>
>> >>I was going to post this to the cq-contest reflector but have had some
> bad
>> >>responses there in the past e.g. when I tried to complain about Pete
>> >>N4ZR's
>> >>constant 'adverts' for Skimmer, so thought I would post here first.
>> >>
>> >>In the good old days, it was accepted practice to send CW more slowly 
>> >>on
>> >>160m - I assume the reasoning being that static crashes, etc could
> easily
>> >>blank out dots or dashes and lead to inaccurate copying. It seems to me
>> >>that
>> >>this may be flawed logic - in other words a call sent at 32-24 wpm 
>> >>might
>> >>fit
>> >>the whole callsign between static crashes and actually lead to more
>> >>reliable
>> >>copy than a callsign sent more slowly. I first experienced this at 
>> >>ZL6QH
>> >>when Wil ZL2BSJ (now PE7T) was sending on 160m at about 35wpm and
> everyone
>> >>seemed to be copying everything easily. I'm not an expert on 160m so
> would
>> >>be interested to hear other opinions. Obviously you would think about
>> >>slowing down if the other station sends more slowly than you but I've
>> >>found
>> >>that a constant sending speed usually works OK.
>> >>
>> >>Another problem in CQ WW CW, for example, is stations on 160m and 80m
>> >>leaving far too little time between CQs - again I've experienced this
> from
>> >>ZL6QH - you call them (even at 35wpm) and by the time you go back to
>> >>receive
>> >>they are CQing again - almost as if they are not listening for anything
>> >>less
>> >>than S9 signals. I know the QRM may be S9 at their end, but they should
> at
>> >>least try listening for weaker stations.
>> >>
>> >>73
>> >>Chris    GM3WOJ / ZL1CT
>> >>
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