[UK-CONTEST] Fw: [WT-support] QSO numbers again

[Jim Fisher]

Ray,
I never said that it is not acceptable to the contest robot or organisers.
Laurent is saying it is not acceptable to the Wintest developement team.
I think what you outlined is better than where we are at present with 
Wintest but un-fortunately Wintest won't implement it.

So I am proposing we change to WPX format.

If the serial number rules stay as they are I would be interesting in using 
your solution should it be generally available.
Thanks for your input.

73

Jim
GM0NAI
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray - G4FON" <ray at g4fon.co.uk>
To: "'Jim Fisher'" <gm0nai at btinternet.com>; <uk-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:34 PM
Subject: RE: [UK-CONTEST] Fw: [WT-support] QSO numbers again


Jim,

The process I outlined to you has been actively used for some years for the 
IOTA contest and the logs are accepted by the contest
robot to the extent that we achieved a provisional 11th place this year.

There may be an issue, but it is wrong to claim that the technique that I 
outlined to you does not work to the satisfaction of the
contest robot...

73

Ray, G4FON


-----Original Message-----
From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com 
[mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim Fisher
Sent: 16 October 2009 17:59
To: uk-contest at contesting.com
Cc: MM0BQI; Don Field
Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Fw: [WT-support] QSO numbers again

Don,
Further to our short discussions at the convention regarding serial number
problems in the IOTA contest Multi op section.
See a post on the Win Test reflector from the developer describing what
happens when the serial is allocated as per the description given by Ray
G4FON.
Win-test have no plans to implement the change as per the mail below and
suggest serial numbers per band for multi ops as a better option.
This is already used as per CQ WPX contest.

When the top contest logging software provider has issues with the IOTA
serial numbering then I think we should listen to his opinion.
It is a real pain when the mult station steals the serial and the run
station has to change the serial given out initially.

IOTA is a great contest and could be even more enjoyable for the multi-op
entries by using the serial per band for multi op entries as per WPX.

73

Jim
GM0NAI

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laurent HAAS - F6FVY" <f6fvy at free.fr>
To: <support at win-test.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [WT-support] QSO numbers again


Hi

This will my only post on this (endless and recurring) topic...

Ian Maude a écrit :

> However, if space reserved the number, all those issues would be solved.

Yeah... Certainly...

Study the short simulation below !

73

Larry - F6FVY

_________________________________________________________________________

We assume one RUN station and only one IN-BAND station.
We assume a perfect network.

T ! Stn RUN                        ! Stn IN-BAND
--!-----------------------------------------------------------------
1 ! Serial displayed : 001         ! Serial displayed : 001
2 ! CQ                             ! S & P
3 ! F6ABC replies to CQ            !
4 ! I enter F6ABC <Space>          !
5 ! So 001 is reserved             ! Serial displayed : 002
6 ! I enter the QSO                !
7 ! Serial displayed : 002         !
8 !                                ! I find and enter ZD8Z <space>
9 ! Serial displayed : 003         ! 002 is reserved
10! DL6ABC replies to CQ           ! I call ZD8Z but not heard
11! I enter DL6ABC                 ! Ditto
12! Serial displayed : 004         ! Ditto
13! JA6ABC replies to CQ           ! Ditto
14! I enter JA6ABC                 ! Ditto
15! Serial displayed : 005         ! Yeah ! I (finally) work him !
16! G6AA replies to CQ             !
17! I enter G6AA                   !
18! Serial displayed : 006         ! I find and enter CU2A <space>
19!                                ! Serial reserved : 006
20! Serial displayed : 007         ! I call CU2A (no reply)
21! ON6AA replies to CQ            ! Ditto
22! I enter ON6AA                  ! Ditto
23! Serial displayed : 008         ! Ditto
24! EA4AA replies to CQ            ! Finally CU2A is now QRT :-(
25! I enter EA4AA                  ! (F11)
26! Serial displayed : 009         ! Serial displayed : 009

Bottom line :

My final time-ordered log looks like :

F6ABC     001
DL6ABC    003
JA6ABC    004
ZD8Z      002
G6AA      005
ON6AA     007
EA4AA     008

1/ Serial numbers are not sequential (see ZD8Z)
2/ Serials are missing : No 006...

End of the story.

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