[UK-CONTEST] Fw: [WT-support] QSO numbers again
Andy Cook, G4PIQ
g4piq at btinternet.com
Fri Oct 16 15:24:19 PDT 2009
I apologise for repeating the original post from Jim - I was reading my mail
on a PDA and the whole trail was truncated so I didn't see it.
However - if you still believe this is an issue which can be fixed by
software I still recommend you re-read the F6FVY post;-)
Andy, G4PIQ - with one foot in mouth
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Cook, G4PIQ [mailto:g4piq at btinternet.com]
Sent: 16 October 2009 22:19
To: 'uk-contest at contesting.com'
Subject: RE: [UK-CONTEST] Fw: [WT-support] QSO numbers again
I'm going to shamelessly quote from a post by F6FVY on the Win-Test
reflector http://www.f5mzn.org/pipermail/support/2009-August/078077.html
because this was the first really clear demonstration of why I don't think
this is a problem that can be fixed by software. It seems to be to be a
fundamental problem with sharing serials across 2 stations which can really
only be addressed by separate serials per band.
73,
Andy, G4PIQ
We assume one RUN station and only one IN-BAND station.
We assume a perfect network.
T ! Stn RUN ! Stn IN-BAND
--!-----------------------------------------------------------------
1 ! Serial displayed : 001 ! Serial displayed : 001
2 ! CQ ! S & P
3 ! F6ABC replies to CQ !
4 ! I enter F6ABC <Space> !
5 ! So 001 is reserved ! Serial displayed : 002
6 ! I enter the QSO !
7 ! Serial displayed : 002 !
8 ! ! I find and enter ZD8Z <space>
9 ! Serial displayed : 003 ! 002 is reserved
10! DL6ABC replies to CQ ! I call ZD8Z but not heard
11! I enter DL6ABC ! Ditto
12! Serial displayed : 004 ! Ditto
13! JA6ABC replies to CQ ! Ditto
14! I enter JA6ABC ! Ditto
15! Serial displayed : 005 ! Yeah ! I (finally) work him !
16! G6AA replies to CQ !
17! I enter G6AA !
18! Serial displayed : 006 ! I find and enter CU2A <space>
19! ! Serial reserved : 006
20! Serial displayed : 007 ! I call CU2A (no reply)
21! ON6AA replies to CQ ! Ditto
22! I enter ON6AA ! Ditto
23! Serial displayed : 008 ! Ditto
24! EA4AA replies to CQ ! Finally CU2A is now QRT :-(
25! I enter EA4AA ! (F11)
26! Serial displayed : 009 ! Serial displayed : 009
Bottom line :
My final time-ordered log looks like :
F6ABC 001
DL6ABC 003
JA6ABC 004
ZD8Z 002
G6AA 005
ON6AA 007
EA4AA 008
1/ Serial numbers are not sequential (see ZD8Z)
2/ Serials are missing : No 006...
End of the story.
-----Original Message-----
From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Chris G3SJJ
Sent: 16 October 2009 21:18
Cc: uk-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Fw: [WT-support] QSO numbers again
Worries me that a software writer wants the rules changed because they
can't accommodate the rules! Tale wagging dog? Never had any problems
with N1MM. I recall NA and Writelog having probs a few years ago.
Chris G3SJJ
Ray - G4FON wrote:
> Jim,
>
> The process I outlined to you has been actively used for some years
> for the IOTA contest and the logs are accepted by the contest robot to
> the extent that we achieved a provisional 11th place this year.
>
> There may be an issue, but it is wrong to claim that the technique
> that I outlined to you does not work to the satisfaction of the
> contest robot...
>
> 73
>
> Ray, G4FON
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim Fisher
> Sent: 16 October 2009 17:59
> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
> Cc: MM0BQI; Don Field
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Fw: [WT-support] QSO numbers again
>
> Don,
> Further to our short discussions at the convention regarding serial
> number
> problems in the IOTA contest Multi op section.
> See a post on the Win Test reflector from the developer describing what
> happens when the serial is allocated as per the description given by Ray
> G4FON.
> Win-test have no plans to implement the change as per the mail below and
> suggest serial numbers per band for multi ops as a better option.
> This is already used as per CQ WPX contest.
>
> When the top contest logging software provider has issues with the
> IOTA
> serial numbering then I think we should listen to his opinion.
> It is a real pain when the mult station steals the serial and the run
> station has to change the serial given out initially.
>
> IOTA is a great contest and could be even more enjoyable for the
> multi-op
> entries by using the serial per band for multi op entries as per WPX.
>
> 73
>
> Jim
> GM0NAI
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Laurent HAAS - F6FVY" <f6fvy at free.fr>
> To: <support at win-test.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 7:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [WT-support] QSO numbers again
>
>
> Hi
>
> This will my only post on this (endless and recurring) topic...
>
> Ian Maude a écrit :
>
>
>> However, if space reserved the number, all those issues would be
>> solved.
>>
>
> Yeah... Certainly...
>
> Study the short simulation below !
>
> 73
>
> Larry - F6FVY
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> ___
>
> We assume one RUN station and only one IN-BAND station.
> We assume a perfect network.
>
> T ! Stn RUN ! Stn IN-BAND
> --!-----------------------------------------------------------------
> 1 ! Serial displayed : 001 ! Serial displayed : 001
> 2 ! CQ ! S & P
> 3 ! F6ABC replies to CQ !
> 4 ! I enter F6ABC <Space> !
> 5 ! So 001 is reserved ! Serial displayed : 002
> 6 ! I enter the QSO !
> 7 ! Serial displayed : 002 !
> 8 ! ! I find and enter ZD8Z <space>
> 9 ! Serial displayed : 003 ! 002 is reserved
> 10! DL6ABC replies to CQ ! I call ZD8Z but not heard
> 11! I enter DL6ABC ! Ditto
> 12! Serial displayed : 004 ! Ditto
> 13! JA6ABC replies to CQ ! Ditto
> 14! I enter JA6ABC ! Ditto
> 15! Serial displayed : 005 ! Yeah ! I (finally) work him !
> 16! G6AA replies to CQ !
> 17! I enter G6AA !
> 18! Serial displayed : 006 ! I find and enter CU2A <space>
> 19! ! Serial reserved : 006
> 20! Serial displayed : 007 ! I call CU2A (no reply)
> 21! ON6AA replies to CQ ! Ditto
> 22! I enter ON6AA ! Ditto
> 23! Serial displayed : 008 ! Ditto
> 24! EA4AA replies to CQ ! Finally CU2A is now QRT :-(
> 25! I enter EA4AA ! (F11)
> 26! Serial displayed : 009 ! Serial displayed : 009
>
> Bottom line :
>
> My final time-ordered log looks like :
>
> F6ABC 001
> DL6ABC 003
> JA6ABC 004
> ZD8Z 002
> G6AA 005
> ON6AA 007
> EA4AA 008
>
> 1/ Serial numbers are not sequential (see ZD8Z)
> 2/ Serials are missing : No 006...
>
> End of the story.
>
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