[UK-CONTEST] IARU contest URE Report

Sun May 2 02:19:22 PDT 2010

This is exactly the argument that ARRL uses against using that ruling 
although they also agree that a change is needed.   The Russians would 
use the same argument of course.

A couple of conferences ago the YOs proposed changing the system to be 
based on the old VHF radial distance rule.   This was tossed out without 
too much discussion.

73

Colin, G3PSM

On 02/05/2010 08:22, Nigel G3TXF wrote:
> Cris,
>
> The recent eruption by URE over the regular IARU Contest
> shenanagins at DA0HQ has been bubbling below the service for
> many years. While the "zero points own country" solution
> would be excellent and would put pay to much of the problem
> immediately, it's the ARRL that has argued that this would
> make this (summertime = not much DX about) contest
> uninteresting for USA stations who could not then work each
> other.
>
> Hopefully the current outburst by URE will achieve something
> positive, whereas more diplomatic approaches by GB7HQ and
> others over the past years have failed to get the IARU
> scoring system changed.
>
> 73 - Nigel G3TXF
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> cris at gm4fam.plus.com
> Sent: 01 May 2010 17:12
> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] IARU contest URE Report
>
> Whatever they did David I believe the whole situation is
> wrong.
>
> Awarding points for QSOs with stations in your own country
> is going to put countries with larger amateur populations at
> a distinct advantage (and that includes the RSGB!); so on
> this basis regular participants such as LA/NRRL, the UA2
> national society etc etc are just not going to get a high
> placing.
>
> I don't know what the complete answer is but would repeat
> the call for zero points for contacts with stations in your
> own country (per CQWW); that would at least level things a
> bit.
>
> 73 Cris
> GM4FAM
>
>
>    
>> Did they actually cheat or did they exploit the rules to
>>      
> the maximum?
>    
>> If the later then that is OK. If you do not like then
>>      
> campaign to get
>    
>> the rules changed or alternatively do the same to nullify
>>      
> their advantage.
>    
>> You could argue that SO2R is cheating if you can only do
>>      
> SO1R, yet for
>    
>> most multi-band contests SO2R is within the rules. But
>>      
> then the SO2R
>    
>> contester put the effort in to achieve that capability
>>      
> just as has the
>    
>> DL did to get all those calls in the log.
>>
>> David G3YYD
>>
>> On 01/05/2010 09:20, Gordon Brown wrote:
>>      
>>> People cheat, they always have and always will.  If these
>>>        
> sad people
>    
>>> get pleasure by winning after cheating then it says a lot
>>>        
> about them.
>    
>>> We can't set up rules to defeat the cheats because they
>>>        
> will always
>    
>>> find other ways.  Should we set up a police force that
>>>        
> drops in on
>    
>>> contestants in the middle of a contest to ensure they
>>>        
> haven't
>    
>>> switched their linear on?  Do we stop contestants in NFD,
>>>        
> 80M-CC etc.
>    
>>> claiming points for contacts with their own members?
>>> It's a hobby, win or lose you're supposed to enjoy it.  I
>>>        
> do, always.
>    
>>> 73 Gordon G3MZV
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] IARU contest URE Report
>>>
>>> I agree with Peter G3LET - change to zero points for home
>>>        
> HQ station
>    
>>> just like the CQWW (this includes GB7HQ in Scotland
>>>        
> working a station
>    
>>> in England!!).
>>>
>>> 73 Cris
>>> GM4FAM
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>>>> Actually it's quite easy to believe.  The solution is
>>>>          
> not to allow
>    
>>>> QSOs with your own country to count for points.  There's
>>>>          
> just too
>    
>>>> much temptation to cheat at present.  Everyone does it
>>>>          
> to some
>    
>>>> extent but apparently DA0HQ has better organisation and
>>>>          
> a lower
>    
>>>> embarrassment threshold.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Peter G3LET
>>>>
>>>> CHRIS COLCLOUGH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for the cross posting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have any of you been alerted to this?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.radio-sport.net/iaru_scoring09b.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> If this is true then there needs to be further
>>>>>            
> investigations.
>    
>>>>> There are
>>>>> 2 links to pdf documents part way down that explain it
>>>>>            
> all. I know
>    
>>>>> we in the UK get behind the RSGB entry in the contest
>>>>>            
> and work them
>    
>>>>> on all bands and modes if possible, but this is taking
>>>>>            
> the
>    
>>>>> buiscuit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have just read it and can't believe what I have read.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Colclough
>>>>> G1VDP
>>>>>
>>>>>            
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