[UK-CONTEST] The Spirit of Contesting
Chris Rolinson G7DDN
g7ddn at g7ddn.com
Tue May 31 04:06:38 PDT 2011
I actually quite like Paul's "diatribes".
He seems to talk more sense than a lot on here...
Chris G7DDN
g7ddn at g7ddn.com
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> 1. M5E / G0CKV (cris at gm4fam.plus.com)
> 2. Re: Cyprus Amateur Callsigns (Bob Henderson)
> 3. The Spirit of Contesting (Paul O'Kane)
> 4. Re: The Spirit of Contesting (Bob Henderson)
> 5. Re: The Spirit of Contesting (Rob Harrison)
> 6. Re: The Spirit of Contesting (Bob Henderson)
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> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 09:08:08 +0100
> From: cris at gm4fam.plus.com
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] M5E / G0CKV
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> What an interesting report with some very wise comments and opinions.
>
> Very refreshing to see!
>
> Tnx Olof.
>
> 73 de Cris
> GM4FAM
>
>> M5E made another attempt for the second year in WPX.
>>
>> M5E SOSB 40 LP(A) raw scores as submitted:
>>
>> 2010: 1061 qsos, 579 prefixes, 1.69 Mpoints (this became 1048-571-1.62
>> after
>> CQ's log-checking)
>> 2011: 1034 qsos, 643 prefixes, 1.84 Mpoints
>>
>> I live in a suburban location and do not have any permanent antennas in
>> the
>> air. Every contest involves a bit of field day or dx-pedition travails.
>> The
>> rear garden is well screened from the rest of the world by houses in every
>> direction and a dense jungle of shrubs and trees.
>>
>> For 40 I have played with loops, inverted vees and verticals. My present
>> favorite is a vertical in the middle of my rear lawn. This year I used a
>> 40
>> ft solid glass-fibre pole as the support for a vertical with elevated
>> radials. An extension and a cap hat on top raised the current max on the
>> vertical as much as was doable with the means at hand. The theory is of
>> course that a bit more RF would escape above the surrounding screens. The
>> radio is a K3 which has a truly wonderful receiver for CW. WinTest was
>> doing
>> the logging and it is superb at that.
>>
>> Contesting is and should be fun. I did half-serious contesting back in the
>> 1960s pre-family and pre-career as SM6CKV and SK6AB and with other calls.
>> This was big-station stuff. In the last few years I have slowly been
>> getting
>> back into the hobby. Earlier this year I did ARRL CW as M/2 from one of
>> the
>> big stations in OH-land. That was fun but would have been even more fun if
>> the sun had cooperated and the polar absorption hadn't raised its ugly
>> cap.
>> A couple of weeks later I joined another M/2 team at a big W6 mountain-top
>> location and that was good fun too.
>>
>> Operating from a suburban location with low power and wet strings is
>> different. It is certainly more challenging but also [me thinks, your
>> mileage may vary] very satisfying. You don't really need a superstation to
>> do OK and have fun. You don't have to worry about keeping your run
>> frequency
>> because you won't - it would be a time-waster so it is better to walk away
>> with a smile when the bullies step on you. You stay away from the big
>> pile-ups where the button-pushing cluster slaves who couldn't afford a
>> receiver when they had bought the power amplifier are making a mess of it.
>> You have to use your brain because you will not succeed in a brawl.
>>
>> The first night started well. Two hours into the contest I had bagged 150
>> qsos through old-fashioned non-assisted s&p. It seemed that most everyone
>> was busy trying to run so my serial number compared very favorably to the
>> big-gun runners at that time. This may be a particular feature of WPX
>> which
>> is pretty democratic in terms of multipliers; almost every participant is
>> a
>> multiplier so you don't need to be in a rare dx location and you won't see
>> the associated pile-ups. After the first night I was well ahead of my
>> score
>> from last year but my head felt in need of a pillow.
>>
>> You would do better in any contest if you think and plan ahead. I didn't.
>> So
>> I woke up and got back to the band midday on Saturday. The only decent
>> signal on the band was DR1A. I tried to run and struggled to extract a few
>> weak callers from the noise. Attenuation was dreadful. I repeated this on
>> Sunday. In a particularly slooow period my friendly neighbor G3TXF called
>> in
>> and out of six other qsos 3 were gratefully logged dupes. ON6LY called me
>> and gave me serial number 001 and that cheered me up as I was sitting
>> there
>> feeling lonely. I suspect ON6LY will be a unique but I have the recording
>> to
>> prove that it wasn't a hallucination.
>>
>> The band didn't die after the first night but it was in poor shape. I
>> could
>> work all I heard in the Caribbean and South America but Asia was a
>> different
>> story. I wasted too much time calling JAs and BYs who had reasonably good
>> signals here but who pretended that I didn't exist. I did work one BY,
>> YE1C
>> and one VK though. Solar flux was increasing during the weekend but there
>> were also magnetic disturbances which may account for the miserable condx
>> after the first night
>>
>> I guess I qualify as an oldtimer (aren't we almost all nowadays?) and I am
>> very happy operating without assistance. I hate the DX cluster. No, let me
>> correct that, I like the technology but I despair about the operating
>> habits
>> that the cluster seems to have fed. The Skimmers and the RBN probably will
>> bring its own problems but right now it is like a fresh breeze of
>> innovation
>> and relief from the cluster stuff. My experience is that the RBN adds to
>> the
>> fun factor. In this contest I didn't have time to even switch it on the
>> first few hours but then it helped keeping the interest and activity up.
>> On
>> Sunday I had worked most of the eternal runners so by then the RBN gave
>> the
>> appearance of providing plenty of false spots but that was simply because
>> more or less everything real had been worked. What remains to be worked
>> can
>> only be reached by running.
>>
>> There are some interesting prefixes out there nowadays. I proudly logged
>> OM2011IIMF, DR11BUGA, DA2MORSE, LZ855SRKM, OM75IHWC, PC65ISWL and more of
>> the same. I seem to have missed UB5ASHORTHISTORYOFTRACTORSINUKRAINE.
>>
>> It is tempting to stir further in the discussion about rules but I shall
>> refrain except to say that a) I have this old-fashioned belief that our
>> society is better off if rules and laws are adhered to; b) there will
>> never
>> be any absolute fairness in radio contesting at the global or macro level
>> (but WRTC2010 got as close as it could); c) contesting should rather be
>> about fun and enjoyment and self-improvement; d) amateur radio is a
>> technology-based hobby that needs to continue to evolve with the times and
>> if we don't allow that the hobby will die.
>>
>> Darwin, the chap who invented evolution, knew that a long time ago.
>>
>> Next up: CW NFD with the local club as G3UES/P
>>
>> 73 de Olof G0CKV M5E
>>
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 08:12:10 +0000
> From: Bob Henderson <bob at 5b4agn.net>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Cyprus Amateur Callsigns
> To: sidwill at lineone.net
> Cc: "U.K. Contest Digest" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> Sid
>
> Did you have a bad night?
>
> I think you mean C4N but no matter.....
>
> Perhaps you should consider complaining to OFCOM about the G*A - G*Z and M*A
> - M*Z series of contest short calls.
>
> The format of Cyprus contest calls is consistent with that used by OFCOM.
>
> GA a good call? Hows that?
>
> Yours
>
> Puzzled of Paphos
> 5B4AGN, P3F
>
> On 31 May 2011 07:29, Sidney Will <sidwill at lineone.net> wrote:
>
>> In all the messages about the operation of C4A in the WPX,
>> no one has mentioned the fact that these C4x (and P3x)
>> callsigns do not comply with the Amateur Radio Callsign
>> conventions. They should be at least C4nx and P3nx.
>> Another one in the same vein is E7DX.
>>
>> Under the Cyprus rules, GA would be a good callsign
>>
>> 73 de Sid GM4SID
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 09:37:29 +0100
> From: Paul O'Kane <pokane at ei5di.com>
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] The Spirit of Contesting
> To: UK Contest Reflector <uk-contest at contesting.com>
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> Was [UK-CONTEST] cqwwwpx:
>
> On 30/05/2011 20:06, Bob Henderson wrote:
>
>> Although I haven't heard you in Cyprus at strength adequate to allow me
>> to be particularly critical,
>
> We can all enjoy a good argument, except when red
> herrings appear out of nowhere.
>
>
>> You are quite right in that I have not said whether I subscribe to the
>> concept of "the spirit of the contest". I wasn't aware I had been asked
>> to do so, until now.
>
>> In short, yes I do; though I suspect not in the way you do.
>
> This answer seems to be both "Yes" AND "No".
>
>
>> In my opinion the spirit of the contest is the gap between the rules
>> as they are written and the way they are from time to time
>> interpreted by those who matter. They being the adjudicators.
>
> This definition isn't clear. For example, do key
> clicks from an unmodified factory rig contravene
> the spirit of a contest and, if so, who decides?
> It might help if you explain how the definition
> supports your answer.
>
>
>> What I suspect you mean, is more to do with what isn't enshrined in the
>> rules but is in your own prejudice.
>
> I'm happy to confirm that your suspicions are
> unwarranted.
>
>
>> Personally, I love these individual interpretations of "the spirit of
>> the contest". They are the equivalent of self inflicted bondage. There
>> is no advantage quite like the one you gain from the opponent who shoots
>> himself in the foot.
>
> I have yet to offer an interpretation of "the spirit
> of the contest" other than to suggest that key clicks
> are incompatible with this concept. The practice of
> minimising key clicks on factory rigs is not usually
> considered to be the equivalent of "self inflicted
> bondage".
>
> The General Rules for RSGB HF Contests state "Points
> may be deducted or entries disqualified or excluded
> for any breach of the rules or spirit of the contest."
>
> If we have all had enough of key clicks, we might
> review the many other examples of sharp practice,
> not addressed in rules, that contravene the spirit
> of the contest.
>
>
> 73,
> Paul EI5DI
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 10:13:03 +0000
> From: Bob Henderson <bob at 5b4agn.net>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] The Spirit of Contesting
> To: UK Contest Reflector <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTinud4z6=puBC3=qOrYGAAWG12FYzw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 31 May 2011 08:37, Paul O'Kane <pokane at ei5di.com> wrote:
>
>> Was [UK-CONTEST] cqwwwpx:
>>
>> On 30/05/2011 20:06, Bob Henderson wrote:
>>
>>> Although I haven't heard you in Cyprus at strength adequate to allow me
>>> to be particularly critical,
>>
>> We can all enjoy a good argument, except when red
>> herrings appear out of nowhere.
>>
>
> Hardly a red herring. You asked whether folks would be happy to put up with
> your key clicks. I responded to your enquiry.
>
>
>>
>>
>>> You are quite right in that I have not said whether I subscribe to the
>>> concept of "the spirit of the contest". I wasn't aware I had been asked
>>> to do so, until now.
>>
>>> In short, yes I do; though I suspect not in the way you do.
>>
>> This answer seems to be both "Yes" AND "No".
>>
>
> Very astute of you. I believe most questions worth answering require a
> qualified response.
>
>
>>
>>
>>> In my opinion the spirit of the contest is the gap between the rules
>>> as they are written and the way they are from time to time
>>> interpreted by those who matter. They being the adjudicators.
>>
>
> It's clear enough to me. The arbiters of spirit are the adjudicators.
>
>>
>> This definition isn't clear. For example, do key
>> clicks from an unmodified factory rig contravene
>> the spirit of a contest and, if so, who decides?
>> It might help if you explain how the definition
>> supports your answer.
>>
>
> Clicks from an unmodified factory rig might mean any number of things,
> including:
>
> 1. The operator is blissfully ignorant of the deficiency in his factory
> produced rig.
> 2. The operator is aware of the problem but doesn't know how to deal with
> it.
> 3. The operator is aware of folks wittering about clicks but figures if the
> problem was significant enough, pressure would be brought to bear upon the
> manufacturer to resolve the issue.
> 4. The operator is aware of concerns but is considers it's a lot of fuss
> over nothing.
> 5. The operator is aware of the problem, knows how to fix it but decides
> not to do so, as he considers the characteristic provides advantage in
> keeping other folks from getting too close.
>
> etc etc etc
>
> I explained earlier who decides if any of the above are without the "spirit
> of the contest". It is the contest adjudicators. Everyone else is entitled
> to hold an opinion but can do little about it.
>
> Perhaps everyone using an unmodified FT1000MP should be disqualified?
>
> For the record, I believe any operator who knowingly radiates signals of bad
> quality is a bad operator, whether he does so within a contest or otherwise.
>
>
>>
>>> What I suspect you mean, is more to do with what isn't enshrined in the
>>> rules but is in your own prejudice.
>>
>> I'm happy to confirm that your suspicions are
>> unwarranted.
>>
>
> My suspicions arose having read several of your diatribes concerning what in
> your opinion does and does not constitute a radio contest.
>
>
>>
>>> Personally, I love these individual interpretations of "the spirit of
>>> the contest". They are the equivalent of self inflicted bondage. There
>>> is no advantage quite like the one you gain from the opponent who shoots
>>> himself in the foot.
>>
>> I have yet to offer an interpretation of "the spirit
>> of the contest" other than to suggest that key clicks
>> are incompatible with this concept. The practice of
>> minimising key clicks on factory rigs is not usually
>> considered to be the equivalent of "self inflicted
>> bondage".
>>
>
> Indeed operator attention to deficiencies in their equipment, whether
> factory produced or otherwise is laudable. Did I suggest otherwise?
>
>>
>> The General Rules for RSGB HF Contests state "Points
>> may be deducted or entries disqualified or excluded
>> for any breach of the rules or spirit of the contest."
>>
>
> Indeed so and who decides? Sorry for the repetition but the contest
> adjudicators do.
>
>>
>> If we have all had enough of key clicks, we might
>> review the many other examples of sharp practice,
>> not addressed in rules, that contravene the spirit
>> of the contest.
>>
>>
> I doubt I could cope.
>
> 73
>
>
> Bob, 5B4AGN
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 11:33:49 +0100
> From: "Rob Harrison" <robharrison at g8hgn.freeserve.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] The Spirit of Contesting
> To: "Paul O'Kane" <pokane at ei5di.com>, "UK Contest Reflector"
> <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <52E3A30C5CEF4AE79634F71607F26551 at G8HGN1442PC>
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> Morning,
>
> I think I know what it means, you think you know what it means, Bob thinks
> he knows what it means, the adjudicators have an idea of what it means, and
> then there's the rules.
>
> We all come from different aspects of radio and different eras, so our
> preception of " the spirit of the contest/amateur radio" is different.
>
> It's a non-quantifiable term, we all have our on interpretation of what we'd
> like it to be, but so does everyone else, and probably they're all
> different. It's a complete waste to put it in the rules if you are not going
> to spell out what that is. If you want to get rid of bad practices, you've
> got to spell out what they are and deal with them by penalising entrants. If
> that's not possible for whatever reason, technical or internationally, then
> your wasting your time with wafty statements about "spirit". That won't cut
> it nowadays.
>
> Sorry to be a bit heavy this morning, 73
>
> Bob G8HGN
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul O'Kane" <pokane at ei5di.com>
> To: "UK Contest Reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:37 AM
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] The Spirit of Contesting
>
>
>>
>> Was [UK-CONTEST] cqwwwpx:
>>
>> On 30/05/2011 20:06, Bob Henderson wrote:
>>
>>> Although I haven't heard you in Cyprus at strength adequate to allow me
>>> to be particularly critical,
>>
>> We can all enjoy a good argument, except when red
>> herrings appear out of nowhere.
>>
>>
>>> You are quite right in that I have not said whether I subscribe to the
>>> concept of "the spirit of the contest". I wasn't aware I had been asked
>>> to do so, until now.
>>
>>> In short, yes I do; though I suspect not in the way you do.
>>
>> This answer seems to be both "Yes" AND "No".
>>
>>
>>> In my opinion the spirit of the contest is the gap between the rules
>>> as they are written and the way they are from time to time
>>> interpreted by those who matter. They being the adjudicators.
>>
>> This definition isn't clear. For example, do key
>> clicks from an unmodified factory rig contravene
>> the spirit of a contest and, if so, who decides?
>> It might help if you explain how the definition
>> supports your answer.
>>
>>
>>> What I suspect you mean, is more to do with what isn't enshrined in the
>>> rules but is in your own prejudice.
>>
>> I'm happy to confirm that your suspicions are
>> unwarranted.
>>
>>
>>> Personally, I love these individual interpretations of "the spirit of
>>> the contest". They are the equivalent of self inflicted bondage. There
>>> is no advantage quite like the one you gain from the opponent who shoots
>>> himself in the foot.
>>
>> I have yet to offer an interpretation of "the spirit
>> of the contest" other than to suggest that key clicks
>> are incompatible with this concept. The practice of
>> minimising key clicks on factory rigs is not usually
>> considered to be the equivalent of "self inflicted
>> bondage".
>>
>> The General Rules for RSGB HF Contests state "Points
>> may be deducted or entries disqualified or excluded
>> for any breach of the rules or spirit of the contest."
>>
>> If we have all had enough of key clicks, we might
>> review the many other examples of sharp practice,
>> not addressed in rules, that contravene the spirit
>> of the contest.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> Paul EI5DI
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 10:59:45 +0000
> From: Bob Henderson <bob.5b4agn at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] The Spirit of Contesting
> To: UK Contest Reflector <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=qJDxcK9QUmA6Z07fVj0YjuQFLyA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> This seems like a reasonable summary to me Bob.
>
> We all have views on the way we would like things to be but efficacy lies in
> the hands of the adjudicators. Of course, if we feel strongly enough we can
> always lobby them.
>
> 73 Bob, 5B4AGN
>
> On 31 May 2011 10:33, Rob Harrison <robharrison at g8hgn.freeserve.co.uk>wrote:
>
>> Morning,
>>
>> I think I know what it means, you think you know what it means, Bob thinks
>> he knows what it means, the adjudicators have an idea of what it means, and
>> then there's the rules.
>>
>> We all come from different aspects of radio and different eras, so our
>> preception of " the spirit of the contest/amateur radio" is different.
>>
>> It's a non-quantifiable term, we all have our on interpretation of what
>> we'd
>> like it to be, but so does everyone else, and probably they're all
>> different. It's a complete waste to put it in the rules if you are not
>> going
>> to spell out what that is. If you want to get rid of bad practices, you've
>> got to spell out what they are and deal with them by penalising entrants.
>> If
>> that's not possible for whatever reason, technical or internationally, then
>> your wasting your time with wafty statements about "spirit". That won't cut
>> it nowadays.
>>
>> Sorry to be a bit heavy this morning, 73
>>
>> Bob G8HGN
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Paul O'Kane" <pokane at ei5di.com>
>> To: "UK Contest Reflector" <uk-contest at contesting.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:37 AM
>> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] The Spirit of Contesting
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Was [UK-CONTEST] cqwwwpx:
>>>
>>> On 30/05/2011 20:06, Bob Henderson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Although I haven't heard you in Cyprus at strength adequate to allow me
>>>> to be particularly critical,
>>>
>>> We can all enjoy a good argument, except when red
>>> herrings appear out of nowhere.
>>>
>>>
>>>> You are quite right in that I have not said whether I subscribe to the
>>>> concept of "the spirit of the contest". I wasn't aware I had been asked
>>>> to do so, until now.
>>>
>>>> In short, yes I do; though I suspect not in the way you do.
>>>
>>> This answer seems to be both "Yes" AND "No".
>>>
>>>
>>>> In my opinion the spirit of the contest is the gap between the rules
>>>> as they are written and the way they are from time to time
>>>> interpreted by those who matter. They being the adjudicators.
>>>
>>> This definition isn't clear. For example, do key
>>> clicks from an unmodified factory rig contravene
>>> the spirit of a contest and, if so, who decides?
>>> It might help if you explain how the definition
>>> supports your answer.
>>>
>>>
>>>> What I suspect you mean, is more to do with what isn't enshrined in the
>>>> rules but is in your own prejudice.
>>>
>>> I'm happy to confirm that your suspicions are
>>> unwarranted.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Personally, I love these individual interpretations of "the spirit of
>>>> the contest". They are the equivalent of self inflicted bondage. There
>>>> is no advantage quite like the one you gain from the opponent who shoots
>>>> himself in the foot.
>>>
>>> I have yet to offer an interpretation of "the spirit
>>> of the contest" other than to suggest that key clicks
>>> are incompatible with this concept. The practice of
>>> minimising key clicks on factory rigs is not usually
>>> considered to be the equivalent of "self inflicted
>>> bondage".
>>>
>>> The General Rules for RSGB HF Contests state "Points
>>> may be deducted or entries disqualified or excluded
>>> for any breach of the rules or spirit of the contest."
>>>
>>> If we have all had enough of key clicks, we might
>>> review the many other examples of sharp practice,
>>> not addressed in rules, that contravene the spirit
>>> of the contest.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Paul EI5DI
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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