[UK-CONTEST] Contest UBN's

Wed Apr 18 09:25:00 PDT 2012

Chris, I have had the similar on CW. I took the trouble to log 559 but the
station I worked having sent (by hand) 559 let the default software report
be logged of 599. In your case as you say doesn't matter, but there are
occasions when stations are a few dozen points apart in thousands. It then
matters. 73 Clive GM3POI

-----Original Message-----
From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com
[mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Chris G4FZN
Sent: 18 April 2012 16:04
To: 'Ray James'; uk-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Contest UBN's

Following a VHF contest earlier this year, I received a UBN report which
said I had been given a 5x9 report when I had logged 5x7.

I sent the adjudicator a 55 second audio clip of the exchange, which clearly
showed the report I had been given was 5x7. In my email, I was careful to
say "this is not an appeal" - since my position in the results table wasn't
changed by having the QSO disallowed.

The adjudicator sent me a very comprehensive reply, clearly believing my
recording to be authentic, but saying that the policy is that recordings
made by entrants are not admissible as evidence.

He also advised me that this is one of the issues currently under
consideration by the contest committee (CC).

The easy option for the CC will be to penalise both parties in cases like
this, but I am not convinced that is fair either.

GM4CXM's suggestion of sending out (or better still, openly publishing) UBN
reports in advance of the final results, does have some merit. It would give
a limited period of time in which appeals could be made, and the
adjudicators could form a view for themselves whether an audio recording
supporting the appeal is clear-cut enough or not. 

As for people tampering with audio clips, there are already other "issues",
such as power levels, antenna restrictions, etc. where the integrity of the
entrant is assumed, and this falls into the same category.

-- 
Chris
G4FZN

> -----Original Message-----
> From: uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:uk-contest-
> bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ray James
> Sent: 18 April 2012 14:29
> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] Contest UBN's
> 
> Interesting thread.
> This is an area that has come to my attention since UBN's starting being
> provided in the UKAC submissions so it's not just a HF contest issue.

[snip]

> I personally think it would be very unfair to take the easy option and
> scrub the contact for both parties but certainly favour a change from it
> only being the receiving station who gets penalised.
> 
> As has been brought to my attention, recordings can edited. Someone would
> really need to be desperate to go to those lengths when it is a hobby but
> it is a possibility.
> 
> As we're all enjoying the benefit of a quicker adjudicating and results
> service, it's not an easy nut to crack and submitting a total recording as
> Dave suggests wouldn't help that task.
> The suggestion I have made is that on receipt of a UBN a strict short
> window of appeal is present when evidence can be presented.
> 
> If you miss it then tough, otherwise it could go on forever and I'm sure
> all adjudicators have plenty other things to do.
> 
> Once I hit the send button I'm off to check last nights 23cm UKAC
> recording and once submitted I'll post a report later.
> 
> 73 Ray GM4CXM

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