[UK-CONTEST] Important message from the UK Contest Reflector Administrator

Mon Nov 5 07:06:08 EST 2012

John
I do not see what your problem is!  I run a number of Yahoo groups and all 
are very easy to use and you can choose the level of email you want to 
receive so you could join both HF and VHF groups and actually receive less 
emails than you get now or more, your choice!  If you go there now you will 
see there are 156 members already registered to the HF Yahoo group so that 
means there are at least 156 people with no problem (unless you have already 
joined in which case thats 155 people!) There are so many other things one 
can add to the contest reflector now to share with other fellow contesters 
such as photos, logs, stories of your field days or IOTA DX peditons etc, 
one can get contest reminders and the like via the calendar function, polls 
can be done that can be made fully transparent there is even a "Links" 
option for things like logging software etc., so come one don't be scared of 
a little change I believe its for the better as I am sure many of us do. 
Enjoy and remember this is only a hobby

73

Colin CT7ACG/G3VCQ

-----Original Message----- 
From: John G3UUT
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 11:47 PM
To: uk-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Important message from the UK Contest Reflector 
Administrator

Roger,

I know your integrity is beyond reproach but you did rather put yourself
in the firing line on this and I'm sorry I had to be the one to fire off
the email.  Polls have to be seen to seen to be impartial before many
people will vote.  I mistakenly voted in your first survey but thought
better of in the second one to have separate reflectors.  I note that
you got 77 replies to the first but only 62 in the 2nd one.  Perhaps the
moderators can tell us how many members there are on the reflector.

73 John

On 04/11/2012 23:06, Roger Western wrote:
> John,
> That is rather unkind, old chap, or even mildly insulting! The 'poll' 
> asked two simple questions, requiring no interpretation whatsoever. So, my 
> own stance on the issue was irrelevant: I merely counted and reported the 
> 'votes'. Without comment. The fact that the result was not to your liking 
> should not lead you to shoot the messenger. It may interest you to know 
> that over several decades I was a Business Analyst - I know where to draw 
> the lines in order to preclude bias.
>
> This is a situation where no solution would please all of the people all 
> of the time: a Marmite case but with a majority whose opinion then 
> prevailed. I assure you that I had absolutely no input about this 'poll' 
> from the reflector moderators - before, during or after: it was merely my 
> own initiative, trying to be helpful.
>
> Anyway, it's hardly the end of the world: subscribing to both reflectors 
> is not onerous! Let's all now get back to meaningful contesting issues.
>
> All the best - 73 de Roger/G3SXW.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: John G3UUT
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 1:38 PM
> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Important message from the UK Contest Reflector 
> Administrator
>
> That's unfortunate, I'm happy about the move to Yahoo but unhappy about
> splitting the groups, I think the moderators have given in to the
> voluble minority on both sides leaving us, the silent majority, to have
> to cope with two groups.  I was particularly unhappy about the recent
> poll on this and I now, regret not having made my feelings clear
> earlier.  This poll was conducted by a someone with opinions very much
> on one side and it appears the moderators have gone along with it.  I
> suspect those of us interested in both HF and VHF will now have to put
> up with at least 50% more emails, putting HF or VHF at the start of the
> subject would have been a much better solution
>
> John G3UUT
>
> On 03/11/2012 21:09, Mark David wrote:
>> *
>>
>> Message From UK Contest list administration
>>
>>
>> Important notice to subscribers of UK Contest.
>>
>>
>> As administrator for the UK Contest reflector the recent debate on UK
>> Contest reflector has brought to the attention of the reflector 
>> subscribers
>> a discussion that has been held off list for over a year now. The key 
>> point
>> has been whether to offer opportunities for the HF and V/UHF communities 
>> to
>> collaborate on their relevant topics of interest in their own forum.
>>
>>
>> An additional factor to consider is the current software used for the UK
>> Contest reflector which is based on rather dated ‘Mailman’ platform The
>> current reflector has served the UK contest community well. In recent
>> years, other social platforms with improved functionality and ‘user
>> friendliness’ have come to the fore, most noteworthy being ‘Yahoo Groups’, 
>> as
>> used by many UK and world-wide amateur radio special interest groups.
>>
>>
>> With these two points in mind this notice advises all subscribers to UK
>> Contest of the intent to:
>>
>>
>> 1. Migrate UK Contest to two new groups on Yahoo each focused on HF and 
>> VHF
>> respectively.
>>
>>
>> 2. By the end of November 2012 to close down the existing UK Contest
>> reflector
>>
>>
>> The user may choose to subscribe to either or both Yahoo groups.
>>
>>
>> Migration Plan
>>
>>
>> 1st November 2012 - New Yahoo Groups sites open for subscription. Users
>> will be responsible for actioning their subscription to the Yahoo Group -
>> there will be no invitation process. New subscribers to the existing UK
>> Contest reflector will be rejected and informed of the new groups.
>>
>>
>> During November 2012 - All postings to UK Contest will be tagged with a
>> reminder message, frequent reminder messages will be posted to UK 
>> Contest.
>>
>>
>> 30th November 2012 - All posts to UK Contest will be rejected, site 
>> archive
>> will remain accessible.
>>
>>
>> How to join the new groups
>>
>>
>> Two new groups have been created on Yahoo Groups, one for HF Contesting 
>> and
>> one for V/UHF (incl. 50MHz) Contesting; all UK Contest members are 
>> welcome
>> to join either or both of these new groups to continue discussions.
>>
>>
>> To join the HF Contest reflector follow this link:
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uk-hf-contesting
>>
>> To join the V/UHF Contest reflector follow this link:
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uk-vhf-contesting
>>
>>
>> For those unfamiliar with Yahoo Groups, it’s easy to navigate and offers
>> extra functionality such as searching, opinion polls, a calendar, photo
>> gallery and files section that will potentially add to the reflector
>> experience. You may be required to configure an account with Yahoo.
>>
>> If you need help registering on the new reflectors, please contact one of
>> the administrators of these  new groups by emailing:
>>
>>
>> uk-hf-contesting-owner at yahoogroups.co.uk
>>
>> or
>>
>> uk-vhf-contesting-owner at yahoogroups.co.uk
>>
>> <uk-vhf-contesting-owner at yahoogroups.co.uk>
>>
>> John G4IRN, Chris GM3WOJ and Mark G4MEM are jointly administering these 
>> new
>> groups. As a reminder these reflectors are open to all interested partie
>> and operates independently of the Radio Society of Great Britain.
>>
>> Thank you for your participation on UK Contest Reflector over the years, 
>> we
>> look forward to seeing you all on the new reflectors.
>>
>>
>> Mark, G4MEM.
>> UK Contest Reflector Administrator
>> 3rd November 2012*
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