[UK-CONTEST] CQ WW webinar 21st October

Tue Oct 23 09:12:23 EDT 2012

(David who?)
The norm is to comply: most folks are law-abiding in a civilised society. 
Catching cheats is a subsequent issue: we firstly set the standard, so 
enforcement is not the first priority.

Post-contest log-editing is a great example: we just needed to be told, then 
the vast majority will comply. Getting caught in the act and the threat of 
retribution is irrelevant to law-abiding citizens.

Only a proportion of criminals are caught but all criminals are still, thank 
God, heavily criticised by right-minded folk.
73 de Roger/G3SXW.

-----Original Message----- 
From: David
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 1:48 PM
To: UK-Contest at contesting. com
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] CQ WW webinar 21st October

Whether you edit your log post contest or not is dependent on your personal
ethics.

Reading the rules it says not in other words all editing should be during
the contest period. However detecting editing after the contest is not a
possibility so it is down to your personal ethics. In which case some will
edit after the contest and some will not. I suppose traps could be set on
QRZ.COM by looking at calls that were operated in different states/zones
from the QRZ.COM address, but the majority of editing where a typo is
involved is not detectable.

If it is not detectable then I am sure that those who run a lot more than
1500 watts will not be worried by a bit of post contest editing.

73 David

-----Original Message-----
From: UK-Contest [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
mark.haynes at yahoo.co.uk
Sent: 23 October 2012 11:20
To: UK Contest Reflector
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] CQ WW webinar 21st October

Hi Chris,

Again I have to disagree. I'm sorry you have the issue with keyboard skills.
But whether we refer to search and pounce, propagation decisions, listening
skills, rhythum, or keyboard skills, they are all part of the contest. You
cannot remove keyboard skills from all of the other areas and be allowed to
correct your log afterwards. The best approach I would suggest is work on
the keyboard skills to get better. I have had to do this in other areas. I
have an ear problem with my left side which is about pressure equalisation
and affects what I hear. Does this allow me to have an assisted 2nd op to
help me hear? No! I have to deal with it and try to overcome it - that's all
part of the game I've decided to play.

73,
Mark M0DXR

Mark Haynes
Tel: 07917 223870
Email: mark.haynes at yahoo.co.uk
Skype: m0dxr_mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris G3SJJ <g3sjj at btinternet.com>
Sender: "UK-Contest" <uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:03:15
Cc: UK Contest Reflector<uk-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] CQ WW webinar 21st October

I disagree Mark. Operating a radio, making contacts and logging them is
different to keyboard skills. This becomes very apparent in Field Days. I
can
be confident I copied DL0CS/P and said DL0CS/P but a check through the Excel
file sorted on callsign might indicate a QSO on one band entered as
DL0CSP or DL0CSP/, with others entered as DL0CS/P. This is purely down to my
typing skills and not poor operating. Similarly if I call and log
correctly W3LPL and they move me to another band and I enter the QSO as
W3LLP, then again I would need change that typo.

Having spent many hours chatting on CW over the last few years I have found
that there is definitely a difference in the response time of my right
hand compared with my left hand which has affected the accuracy of my
typing. For example, often when I type "the " it appears as "h te" or other
combos. I will continue to do sorts and checks to make sure I am not
penalised for this which is nothing to do with contest accuracy.

73
Chris G3SJJ

On 23/10/2012 10:44, mark.haynes at yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> It should be the operators care and duty to make sure they get it right
when it is logged. Being a good contest operator includes logging accuracy.
When the contest ends, it ends! I have a lot of respect for those that
follow this methodology. The fact that you would need to change what you've
logged after its over means you are not good enough at the time, to be quite
honest! True competitors would accept it and live with the consequences, in
my view anyway.
>
> 73,
> Mark M0DXR
>
>
>
>
> Mark Haynes
> Tel: 07917 223870
> Email: mark.haynes at yahoo.co.uk
> Skype: m0dxr_mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris G3SJJ <g3sjj at btinternet.com>
> Sender: "UK-Contest" <uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com>
> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 10:35:58
> Cc: <uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] CQ WW webinar 21st October
>
> Bob, the actual contest, ie exchanging QSOs, might be over but it is
intelligent amd mncessary to chcek through the log to corerct ant tyopos, as
you
> can see by this incirrected email. Back in the days of paper logs we
positevly encouraged entrants to rewrite their logs top amke sure they
doidn't
> lose points uncesarily. Paper and pencil have ben replaced by a keyborad
and it is wrong to assume taht someone who was adept and writing are equally
> adept at typing.
>
> I will continue to put my contest log ointo Excel when convenient and to
do various sorst and cahecks. I am sure you wouldn't expaect me to always
> send emnails or write reporst etc like this one?
>
> 73 Chris G3sjj
>
>
> On 23/10/2012 08:42, Bob Henderson wrote:
>> I too have confidence in K5ZD.  He is thoughtful, has good attention to
>> detail, is a great communicator and so far as I can tell, is of the
highest
>> integrity.  I cannot think of a better person to take up the reins of
CQWW.
>>
>> I thought Randy's mention of the fact that logs may be resubmitted as
many
>> times as wished up to the log deadline was more to do with explaining the
>> mechanics of the current mechanism.  This was apparently necessary as
some
>> folks intending a single band entry had been submitting a single band log
>> and then following that with an all band log submitted for check log
>> purposes.  He was pointing out that so far as the robot is concerned the
>> last log posted against a call prevails.  So the erstwhile single band
>> entrant, unknown to himself, became an all band entrant.
>>
>> That the robot incorporates a Cabrillo integrity checker is a good thing.
>> This alerts combatants to any formatting problems requiring attention and
>> resubmission.  The principle behind the changes is intended to get us
>> closer to ensuring that contesting is over when the end bell rings.  I
>> think these efforts are to be applauded.
>>
>> 73 Bob, 5B4AGN
>>
>> On 23 October 2012 07:17, Chris Tran GM3WOJ <gm3woj at christran.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Ian GM3SEK et al
>>>
>>> You wrote :
>>>> Their own robot, which will warn about many kinds of logging errors and
>>> then will allow entrants to re-submit as many times as they wish (up to
the
>>> deadline). This seems >inconsistent with their tough line about
>>> post-contest corrections... or at least, with some versions of it.
>>>
>>> If I understood correctly what K5ZD was saying, this new 'Logcheck'
>>> facility ( http://www.cqww.com/logcheck ) is for correcting errors in
the
>>> structure of your Cabrillo logfile before submitting - e.g. wrong
category
>>> etc, not for correcting QSO errors like callsign or zone.  I may be
wrong.
>>>
>>> The Webinar is online at
http://wwrof.org/webinars/**webinar/<http://wwrof.org/webinars/webinar/>and
the section about Logcheck starts at 46.00 minutes approx. (The audio
>>> is not as good as the live event, but seemed to improve once the whole
file
>>> had downloaded)
>>>
>>> K5ZD has only been in the job for 3 weeks so it will take him time to
sort
>>> out and clarify everything, but I got a good impression of his
intentions
>>> when listening to him.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Chris
>>> GM3WOJ / GM2V
>>>
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