[UK-CONTEST] CQ WW webinar 21st October

Tue Oct 23 09:33:18 EDT 2012

CQWW now has a rule where once there was none.  There never was any
shortage of individual opinion on the issue but that's a different matter
entirely.

Bob, 5B4AGN

On 23 October 2012 13:12, Chris G3SJJ <g3sjj at btinternet.com> wrote:

> I didn't say that Bob. If I don't like the rules I won't submit a log, I
> can still make some QSOs though and I would still run them through Excel,
> like I and others have done over many years.
>
> It would be interesting to get a comment from the multi-op groups. I am
> aware that it is an established task in the UK to do very detailed
> post-contest logs and change callsigns, serial numbers, zones etc to
> minimse points loss. Also, wait until close to the deadline before
> submitting an entry. There appears to be some pots calling the kettle black
> here!!
>
> Chris G3SJJ
>
>
>
> On 23/10/2012 13:16, Bob Henderson wrote:
>
>> Chris
>>
>> We all have freedom to decide but you should expect neither sympathy nor
>> respect for your "I'll abide by rules when it suits me" position.
>>
>> Bob, 5B4AGN
>>
>> On 23 October 2012 11:33, Chris G3SJJ <g3sjj at btinternet.com> wrote:
>> snip
>>
>>  Sorry but no-one is going to dictate to me how I should run my life.
>>> Amateur radio is a hobby.
>>>
>>> snip
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23/10/2012 12:09, Bob Henderson wrote:
>>>
>>>  Well Chris.  I guess this largely depends upon your definition of a
>>>> typo.
>>>> Your log should reflect the exchange you sent during the QSO.  If you
>>>> know
>>>> at the time you have logged something different to that sent, you can
>>>> edit
>>>> it on the fly or keep a written note to provide for correction of the
>>>> typo
>>>> before the log is sent in.  There is 5 days between the end of the event
>>>> and the log submission deadline.  Surely you don't make so many such
>>>> errors
>>>> this isn't enough time?
>>>>
>>>> When you put your log into Excel and do your various checks, which
>>>> reveal
>>>> what you believe to be a typo, how can you be sure what you have found
>>>> is
>>>> indeed a typo and not a busted call?  If it is a typo then correcting it
>>>> would make it consistent with what you sent.  If it's a busted call then
>>>> editing it would render your log inconsistent with the exchange which
>>>> took
>>>> place.  If for example you have logged DL2SS on five bands and  DF2HS on
>>>> the missing sixth, how would you determine after the event that DF2HS
>>>> is a
>>>> typo which should be corrected to DF2SS?  You might have sent DF2HS
>>>> albeit
>>>> you worked DF2SS.  This would be a busted call and editing it would
>>>> render
>>>> your log inconsistent with the exchange sent.
>>>>
>>>> The ban on post contest log editing is quite recent.  Lawrence, I very
>>>> much
>>>> doubt US contesters are more principled in their avoidance of post event
>>>> editing.  Such considerations are anyway academic, as the rules for CQWW
>>>> now specifically prohibit any post event log laundering process.
>>>>
>>>> When rules are silent on the matter of log laundering, nobody can be
>>>> blamed
>>>> for seizing the opportunity to engage in it.  When the rules are clear
>>>> then
>>>> they should be adhered to.  Simple stuff.  I am personally delighted by
>>>> this initiative.  I always have better things to do than spend my time
>>>> farting around with contest logs.  End of contest and in the mail does
>>>> it
>>>> for me.  If I lose a few points due to typos that's fine.  Other
>>>> competitors share the same exposure.
>>>>
>>>> On a final note.  The suggestion keyboard skills are not contesting is
>>>> not
>>>> credible.  They became part of contesting as soon as you chose to use
>>>> your
>>>> computer for logging.  To me this is akin to going back to the 70's and
>>>> disowning errors made using a bug key on the grounds that poor skill in
>>>> operating a bug don't in anyway undermine your knowledge of the code.
>>>>  If
>>>> it's a skill you use when contesting, it's a contest skill.
>>>>
>>>> 73 Bob, 5B4AGN
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23 October 2012 09:35, Chris G3SJJ <g3sjj at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Bob, the actual contest, ie exchanging QSOs, might be over but it is
>>>>
>>>>> intelligent amd mncessary to chcek through the log to corerct ant
>>>>> tyopos,
>>>>> as you can see by this incirrected email. Back in the days of paper
>>>>> logs
>>>>> we
>>>>> positevly encouraged entrants to rewrite their logs top amke sure they
>>>>> doidn't lose points uncesarily. Paper and pencil have ben replaced by a
>>>>> keyborad and it is wrong to assume taht someone who was adept and
>>>>> writing
>>>>> are equally adept at typing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will continue to put my contest log ointo Excel when convenient and
>>>>> to
>>>>> do various sorst and cahecks. I am sure you wouldn't expaect me to
>>>>> always
>>>>> send emnails or write reporst etc like this one?
>>>>>
>>>>> 73 Chris G3sjj
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23/10/2012 08:42, Bob Henderson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   I too have confidence in K5ZD.  He is thoughtful, has good attention
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>> detail, is a great communicator and so far as I can tell, is of the
>>>>>> highest
>>>>>> integrity.  I cannot think of a better person to take up the reins of
>>>>>> CQWW.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought Randy's mention of the fact that logs may be resubmitted as
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> times as wished up to the log deadline was more to do with explaining
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> mechanics of the current mechanism.  This was apparently necessary as
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> folks intending a single band entry had been submitting a single band
>>>>>> log
>>>>>> and then following that with an all band log submitted for check log
>>>>>> purposes.  He was pointing out that so far as the robot is concerned
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> last log posted against a call prevails.  So the erstwhile single band
>>>>>> entrant, unknown to himself, became an all band entrant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That the robot incorporates a Cabrillo integrity checker is a good
>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>> This alerts combatants to any formatting problems requiring attention
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> resubmission.  The principle behind the changes is intended to get us
>>>>>> closer to ensuring that contesting is over when the end bell rings.  I
>>>>>> think these efforts are to be applauded.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73 Bob, 5B4AGN
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23 October 2012 07:17, Chris Tran GM3WOJ <gm3woj at christran.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Hello Ian GM3SEK et al
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  You wrote :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Their own robot, which will warn about many kinds of logging errors
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   then will allow entrants to re-submit as many times as they wish
>>>>>>>> (up
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> deadline). This seems >inconsistent with their tough line about
>>>>>>> post-contest corrections... or at least, with some versions of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I understood correctly what K5ZD was saying, this new 'Logcheck'
>>>>>>> facility ( http://www.cqww.com/logcheck ) is for correcting errors
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> structure of your Cabrillo logfile before submitting - e.g. wrong
>>>>>>> category
>>>>>>> etc, not for correcting QSO errors like callsign or zone.  I may be
>>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Webinar is online at http://wwrof.org/webinars/********webinar/<http://wwrof.org/webinars/******webinar/>
>>>>>>> <http://wwrof.org/**webinars/****webinar/<http://wwrof.org/webinars/****webinar/>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> <http://wwrof.org/**webinars/****webinar/<http://wwrof.org/**webinars/**webinar/>
>>>>>>> <http://wwrof.org/**webinars/**webinar/<http://wwrof.org/webinars/**webinar/>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> <http://wwrof.org/**webinars/****webinar/<http://wwrof.org/**webinars/**webinar/>
>>>>>>> <http://wwrof.org/****webinars/webinar/<http://wwrof.org/**webinars/webinar/>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <http://wwrof.org/**webinars/**webinar/<http://wwrof.org/**webinars/webinar/>
>>>>>>> <http://wwrof.org/**webinars/webinar/<http://wwrof.org/webinars/webinar/>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the section about Logcheck starts at 46.00 minutes approx. (The
>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is not as good as the live event, but seemed to improve once the
>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>> had downloaded)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> K5ZD has only been in the job for 3 weeks so it will take him time to
>>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>> out and clarify everything, but I got a good impression of his
>>>>>>> intentions
>>>>>>> when listening to him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>> GM3WOJ / GM2V
>>>>>>>
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