[UK-CONTEST] What's the point?

[Bob Henderson]

Gordon

If your log and mine match I seriously doubt anyone will be reviewing
recordings.  I don't think you need to lose sleep over this one.

73 Bob, 5B4AGN

On 23 October 2012 16:44, GORDON BROWN <gordonbrowns at virginmedia.com> wrote:

> Bob.  The trouble is that I could work you and send HB4AGN  in error but
> correctly log you as 5B4AGN.  Listening to an SDR recording of our QSO
> would suggest I corrected the log afterwards but in fact it was my poor CW.
>  You knew I meant 5B4, i knew I meant 5B4 so all's well.
> Also.
> If I hear you working a pile-up, as you do,  I just send my callsign and,
> if I'm lucky, I get a QSO but put it in my log as HB4AGN.  If I later
> correct call and edit my log who is to know except me?  I didn't send your
> call at all, you knew I was calling you and so did I.
> 73
> Gordon G3MZV
>
>
> On 23 October 2012 16:33, Bob Henderson <bob at 5b4agn.net> wrote:
>
> > Ken
> >
> > CQ now have seven SDR monitoring sites located around the world.  Each
> > apparently has the capacity to record all activity across all six HF
> > contest bands during the full 48 hours of a contest.
> >
> > This does not mean every line of each submitted log will be compared
> > against the recordings made.
> >
> > What it does mean is CQ have the ability to interrogate these recordings
> > where unanswered questions arise relating to logs from entrants in
> > contention for an award.  If for example, the committee suspects an
> entrant
> > has corrected busted calls after the event, they now have the means to
> > check it out.
> >
> > Bob, 5B4AGN
> >
> > On 23 October 2012 15:09, Ken <ken.g3lvp at btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Today it's only one small step from "checking" for "typos" to running
> > > programs to search for QSO's made on different bands in the same
> contest,
> > > previous logs, databases,  QRZ.com etc. This may give a good idea
> > whether a
> > > callsign has been entered correctly or has been misread or mis-typed,
> > this
> > > particularly applies to 'uniques'.
> > >
> > > The same applies to checking & correcting locators in RSGB VHF contests
> > > especially when scores claimed by others can be examined. Making
> changes
> > to
> > > an entry should not be permitted once it has been submitted as they can
> > at
> > > present.
> > >
> > > Since meaningful signal reports on HF have been abandoned for universal
> > > 59(9')'s the only part of may contest exchanges that (probably) can't
> be
> > > checked post contest is the serial number and even this doesn't apply
> to
> > > CQWW or ARRL DX contests when serial numbers aren't exchanged.
> > >
> > > This is despite RSGB VHF (but not HF?) ruleswhich state that "All
> > > information must be copied off air at the time of the QSO and on the
> band
> > > in use and databases must not be used to fill in missing information
> and
> > > for CQWW " Post-contest correcting of call signs by using any database,
> > > recordings or confirming QSO's is not allowed", how the adjudicators of
> > > contests know that these (and other) rules are adhered to is a mystery
> to
> > > me.
> > >
> > > So what's the point of adjudicating on the basis of callsigns (&
> > locators)
> > > when in many cases it's possible check & correct these after the
> > contest? A
> > > log with few or no errors in all probability has been subject to some
> > level
> > > of post contest checking whatever the rules say.
> > >
> > > Anti-contesters might just say what's the point?
> > >
> > > 73...
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > G3LVp
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> ------------------------------**------------------------------**----------
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob, the actual contest, ie exchanging QSOs, might be over but it is
> > > intelligent amd mncessary to chcek through the log to corerct ant
> tyopos,
> > > as you
> > > can see by this incirrected email. Back in the days of paper logs we
> > > positevly encouraged entrants to rewrite their logs top amke sure they
> > > doidn't
> > > lose points uncesarily. Paper and pencil have ben replaced by a
> keyborad
> > > and it is wrong to assume taht someone who was adept and writing are
> > equally
> > > adept at typing.
> > >
> > > I will continue to put my contest log ointo Excel when convenient and
> to
> > > do various sorst and cahecks. I am sure you wouldn't expaect me to
> always
> > > send emnails or write reporst etc like this one?
> > >
> > > 73 Chris G3sjj
> > >
> > >
> > >
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