[UK-CONTEST] RE - CQ Contest Rules.

Tue Oct 23 17:43:10 EDT 2012

Chris,
For someone who doesnt care about the cqww contests you are making one hell of a fuss, and complicating something which is incredibly simple, as Roger and others have pointed out. Its your choice to take a few weeks over your log and then decide whether or not to put it in as a check log. However if you want to put a serious entry in you have to submit it within the required period. You can even cheat if you want to and check your log within the five days and use all sorts of tools to make it better - your choice. 

I listened to the webinar post event today and it all sounded very clear and sensible to me - and far more logical than some of the decisions of the IOTA committee in recent years.

The IARU contest is a complete red herring on this topic, as last time I looked its not part of cqww portfolio.

Given the lukewarm response from the contest committee to the well thought out and consulted upon ideas from GM3WOJ and GM3POI to replace the 21/28 contest, it really does look like the days of most of your favourite rsgb contests are numbered - we either modernise or die along with the T Rexs!  

Randy is a breath of fresh air to the cqww programme, and a welcome return to ethical contesting.

73

Steve GW0GEI  

________________________________
 From: Chris G3SJJ <g3sjj at btinternet.com>
To: 
Cc: Contest Reflector UK <uk-contest at contesting.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2012, 21:23
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] RE - CQ Contest Rules.

There ya go. I was correct all along. I can and will continue to put my log into Excel to find the the QSOs where I in advertantly logged something 
which I didn't transmit! I will do it when convenient over a week or so. Jeez, it's taken about 200 emails to get to this state! I am not concerned 
about the CQWW events as I don't take those seriously. More concerned with RSGB contests.

We still haven't heard from the multi-ops who do the IARU contest etc on how detailed they go into checking callsigns, serial numbers, zones etc.

Chris G3SJJ

On 23/10/2012 19:58, Richard Allisette wrote:
> Hello again Roger,
> Well I did try to RTFM and unless I am even more senile than the XYL says I am, I think I can still use any sort of database to check my log provided it is within the 48 hours of the contest. So I could legally use a database to check call signs in the last few hours of the contest if I wish.
> That was what I was on about.
> Time for a beer!
>
> 73 GU4CHY
>
> On 23 Oct 2012, at 19:49, Roger Western <g3sxw at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Puzzled,
>> Just RTFM ! ! !
>> It is permitted to change logged QSOs during and/or after the contest - BUT only if you know that you inadvertently logged something wrong which you did not transmit. See below!
>> 73 de Roger/G3SXW.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Richard Allisette
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:44 PM
>> To: Roger Western
>> Cc: uk-contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] RE - CQ Contest Rules.
>>
>> Roger,
>> I am hoping to do 10m SBHP in the CW leg this year. Let us suppose that the band folds at 20.00z. I can then do any log alterations I think that need to be done in the four hours of the contest period remaining.
>> Am I reading this right? Seems daft but could a future strategy include making sure you finish before the contest period ends to "cleanse" your log - you might save more points than bashing on till midnight?
>>
>> Puzzled of Guernsey,
>>
>> GU4CHY
>>
>> On 23 Oct 2012, at 19:23, Roger Western <g3sxw at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Look, chaps, let's all stop mis-stating what has been published. See:
>>> http://www.cqww.com/rules_2012changes.htm
>>>
>>> It is perfectly clear. But you do need to spend two minutes reading it!
>>> Yes, it makes perfect sense, Brian (and others today)!
>>> 73 de Roger/G3SXW.
>>>
>>> NEW RULE:
>>> CQWW Rule III.13: Post-contest correcting of call signs by using any database, recordings or confirming QSOs is not allowed.
>>>
>>> EXPLANATION:
>>> When the contest period ends, do not use any sort of database, local or remote, to review and then modify the callsigns in your log prior to submission.
>>>
>>> Use of QRZ.com, DX Cluster, RBN files, other call sign databases, friends’ or club logs, etc., are considered to be other data sources and are not allowed for post-contest call correction.
>>>
>>> Having friends or experts who were not “the entrant” review the log also “counts” as a database (not permitted).
>>>
>>> A recording of your own contest effort, whether digital or analog, is considered to be a database, even if you made the recording yourself.
>>>
>>> Q: “After the contest I noticed a typing mistake. What should I do?”
>>>
>>> You have to determine whether the call sign you logged is the call sign you sent during the QSO in question (see rule XII.2 below for more information). If you are certain that this is a logging error, AND that what you logged does not match what you actually sent, then make the correction. If the committee’s SDR file shows that what you submitted on your log does not match what you sent during the contest exchange, you are in violation of the rules.
>>>
>>> Your decision must be based purely on your inspection of the log. You may not use any database or other resources to review your log
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: brian coyne
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:33 PM
>>> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
>>> Subject: [UK-CONTEST] RE - CQ Contest Rules.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> p.s. what's SCP?
>>>> G3LVP
>>> Ken
>>> SCP (SuperCheck Partial) is a database file which can be incorporated into your contest logging file.
>>> The database is compiled by scrutinising logs from previous contests to extract the callsigns of active contesting stations. On the CQ Contest Reflector we see requests from the compilers of this database after just about every major (and not so major) contest requesting logs to capture any new calls which may stray into the fold.
>>>
>>> This database can be called into a window to check callsigns the contester is not sure about during the event - hence my comment about guessing games.
>>>
>>> As for the comment about using my full call - well, imagine if they cannot get just 3 characters/letters correct how much more trouble would I get using a combination of six!
>>>
>>> So, because it is not barred by the rules (in fact it is welcomed and used by many) it is ok to cheat legally whereas to make an alteration of a typo, marked at the time of making it, at a later time after the contest is now regarded as cheating! Make sense to you? - not to me.
>>>
>>> I will repeat what I wrote earlier . The correction is  what I actually sent, as per the rules, not something that I made up, guessed at or referred to another source to discover.
>>>
>>> Sometimes reasonableness and common sense get left behind.
>>>
>>> 73  Brian 5B4AIZ / C4Z -
>>>
>>>
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