[UK-CONTEST] What's the point?

[GORDON BROWN]

I haven't in the past looked at my UBN reports nor have I corrected my log
after a contest but this thread got me wondering how many points I lost and
why.
I have just looked at my UBN for the Russian DX Contest and see that I read
two calls wrong of the 700 plus QSO's.  I'm afraid I consider the effort
involved in increasing my score by 0.288% as a waste of time.
I would have gained a lot more points if the other stations hadn't copied
my call wrong!
73 Gordon G3MZV

On 23 October 2012 21:14, Roger Western <g3sxw at btinternet.com> wrote:

> Again, Read The Flipping Manual:
>
> "If you are certain that this is a logging error, AND that what you logged
> does not match what you actually sent, then make the correction".
>
> If you did not actually send the other guy's call-sign at all then there
> is no mis-match between what you sent and what you logged. So, it is OK to
> make the change.
>
> Let's stop trying to unpick every comma and semi-colon. The intention is
> clear: we may NOT make post-contest changes with any outside assistance,
> only with your own information: no data-bases, no recordings etc.
> 73 de Roger/G3SXW.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: GORDON BROWN
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 5:44 PM
> To: uk-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] What's the point?
>
>
> Bob.  The trouble is that I could work you and send HB4AGN  in error but
> correctly log you as 5B4AGN.  Listening to an SDR recording of our QSO
> would suggest I corrected the log afterwards but in fact it was my poor CW.
> You knew I meant 5B4, i knew I meant 5B4 so all's well.
> Also.
> If I hear you working a pile-up, as you do,  I just send my callsign and,
> if I'm lucky, I get a QSO but put it in my log as HB4AGN.  If I later
> correct call and edit my log who is to know except me?  I didn't send your
> call at all, you knew I was calling you and so did I.
> 73
> Gordon G3MZV
>
>
> On 23 October 2012 16:33, Bob Henderson <bob at 5b4agn.net> wrote:
>
>  Ken
>>
>> CQ now have seven SDR monitoring sites located around the world.  Each
>> apparently has the capacity to record all activity across all six HF
>> contest bands during the full 48 hours of a contest.
>>
>> This does not mean every line of each submitted log will be compared
>> against the recordings made.
>>
>> What it does mean is CQ have the ability to interrogate these recordings
>> where unanswered questions arise relating to logs from entrants in
>> contention for an award.  If for example, the committee suspects an
>> entrant
>> has corrected busted calls after the event, they now have the means to
>> check it out.
>>
>> Bob, 5B4AGN
>>
>> On 23 October 2012 15:09, Ken <ken.g3lvp at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Today it's only one small step from "checking" for "typos" to running
>> > programs to search for QSO's made on different bands in the same >
>> contest,
>> > previous logs, databases,  QRZ.com etc. This may give a good idea
>> whether a
>> > callsign has been entered correctly or has been misread or mis-typed,
>> this
>> > particularly applies to 'uniques'.
>> >
>> > The same applies to checking & correcting locators in RSGB VHF contests
>> > especially when scores claimed by others can be examined. Making changes
>> to
>> > an entry should not be permitted once it has been submitted as they can
>> at
>> > present.
>> >
>> > Since meaningful signal reports on HF have been abandoned for universal
>> > 59(9')'s the only part of may contest exchanges that (probably) can't be
>> > checked post contest is the serial number and even this doesn't apply to
>> > CQWW or ARRL DX contests when serial numbers aren't exchanged.
>> >
>> > This is despite RSGB VHF (but not HF?) ruleswhich state that "All
>> > information must be copied off air at the time of the QSO and on the >
>> band
>> > in use and databases must not be used to fill in missing information and
>> > for CQWW " Post-contest correcting of call signs by using any database,
>> > recordings or confirming QSO's is not allowed", how the adjudicators of
>> > contests know that these (and other) rules are adhered to is a mystery
>> > to
>> > me.
>> >
>> > So what's the point of adjudicating on the basis of callsigns (&
>> locators)
>> > when in many cases it's possible check & correct these after the
>> contest? A
>> > log with few or no errors in all probability has been subject to some
>> level
>> > of post contest checking whatever the rules say.
>> >
>> > Anti-contesters might just say what's the point?
>> >
>> > 73...
>> >
>> > Ken
>> >
>> > G3LVp
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> ------------------------------****----------------------------**
>> --**----------
>> >
>> >
>> > Bob, the actual contest, ie exchanging QSOs, might be over but it is
>> > intelligent amd mncessary to chcek through the log to corerct ant >
>> tyopos,
>> > as you
>> > can see by this incirrected email. Back in the days of paper logs we
>> > positevly encouraged entrants to rewrite their logs top amke sure they
>> > doidn't
>> > lose points uncesarily. Paper and pencil have ben replaced by a keyborad
>> > and it is wrong to assume taht someone who was adept and writing are
>> equally
>> > adept at typing.
>> >
>> > I will continue to put my contest log ointo Excel when convenient and to
>> > do various sorst and cahecks. I am sure you wouldn't expaect me to >
>> always
>> > send emnails or write reporst etc like this one?
>> >
>> > 73 Chris G3sjj
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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