[UK-CONTEST] use of phonetics in contests

Thu Sep 20 05:44:32 EDT 2012

Peter,
You could try  Germany 8 America France Norway

Les, G4OGB

-----Original Message----- 
From: PETER CLEALL
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:23 AM
To: mark.haynes at yahoo.co.uk
Cc: UK Contest Reflector ; UK-Contest
Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] use of phonetics in contests

When I studied my cq wpx SSB feedback.

I find a few occurrences of my call being wrongly copied.

I use "Golf 8 Alpha Foxtrot November"

The foxtrot is misheard .  What should I change in the phonetics to to
improve the copy.
Is it just something different for the F or do I need to reconstruct
the whole callsign.
I have occasionally used "American Forces Network" as a reinforcement
under difficult copy transatlantic calls. But that does not seem
sensible for normal usage.

regards

peter

On 19/09/2012, mark.haynes at yahoo.co.uk <mark.haynes at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I can see Clive Ws point of view that not everyone would like this. But if
> ops, whether new to the hobby or not, can't handle this then perhaps this 
> is
> not a contest for them. Football results get published at all levels of
> divisions.
>
> Contest operating is all about accurate operating and there will be 
> errors.
> The new contesters should respect the format of publishing this 
> information
> (and in my experience they mainly do). This is very useful to the newbie 
> and
> is a form of motivation, and an opportunity, to show just how well they've
> done to improve next time around. This also goes towards reducing the
> temptation by some to break the rules.
>
> Also, if a newbie has a very good UBN, I'm sure they wouldn't mind sharing
> this good result.
>
> I regard the forge QSL point invalid for this discussion. Offenders of 
> this
> can get much more information all the time by just switching on the radio.
>
> When I was a newbie, I admired the amazing slick operators and actually
> loved to see my UBN gradually get better over time. Its what its all 
> about!
> Let's encourage openness, honesty and good adjudication at the same time 
> as
> providing all operators, regardless of their experience, the opportunity 
> to
> improve. The more these are practised, in my opinion at least, the better!
>
> 73,
> Mark M0DXR
>
>
> Mark Haynes
> Tel: 07917 223870
> Email: mark.haynes at yahoo.co.uk
> Skype: m0dxr_mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Clive GM3POI" <gm3poi2 at btinternet.com>
> Sender: "UK-Contest" <uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com>
> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:50:28
> To: 'Clive Whelan'<clive at gw3njw.net>
> Cc: 'UK Contest'<uk-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Where are the UBNs published
>
> Clive I don't remember you being QRV in these 80m events but I would say
> the
> whole series has now moved on beyond the initial efforts of new entrants.
> For example the average cw speed has gone up over the last two years.
> When 80m CC entrants join major contests they will have to contend
> with getting things right, and the CC objectives should be to achieve a
> higher standard of operating by UK entrants.
> 73 Clive GM3POI
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: UK-Contest [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> Clive Whelan
> Sent: 19 September 2012 11:23
> Cc: 'UK Contest'
> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Where are the UBNs published
>
> Why on earth, would you want a UBN of a newbie operator to be published
> ( and after all aren't the RSGB CCs explicitly for them really )?
>
> As an OF operator , if I make mistakes I can live with that, and frankly
> don't care what anyone else thinks about me. ( one of the few upsides of
> getting old ! )
>
> But, if I were a contest newcomer ,especially in CW mode, I'd be very
> disheartened and dispirited to to see my faux pas published.
>
> CQWW is a big boys' event, so if you don't like the heat, stay out of
> the kitchen, but RSGB training events such as these are totally different.
>
> Openness and transparency should be assessed in context imo. One size
> never fitted all.
>
> 73
>
>
> Clive
>
> On 19/09/2012 06:47, Clive GM3POI wrote:
>> The EU sprint which RSGB copies in format on 80m publishes the log and
>> errors, In these days of openness it should be the CCs aim to provide all
>> information  once it has been submitted and checked.
>> 73 Clive GM3POI
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: UK-Contest [mailto:uk-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
>> Dave Sergeant
>> Sent: 19 September 2012 05:56
>> To: UK Contest
>> Subject: Re: [UK-CONTEST] Where are the UBNs published
>>
>> PLEASE NO, do not follow CQ with this practice. Publishing full logs
>> makes forged QSLs for DXCC and other awards a free for all. That is why
>> most dxpedition online logs only show you the band you have made a QSO
>> on, not the full QSO details - and in Log Book of the World where you
>> only receive a confirmation if both sides of the QSO match.
>>
>> Regarding UBNs, I would like to receive a UBN in all cases, regardless
>> of whether I have made any errors in that contest. Do not limit it to
>> entrants who have made one or more errors, if I have an error free log
>> (which it seems I sometimes do) then I would like to be told so.
>>
>> 73 Dave G3YMC
>>
>> On 18 Sep 2012 at 22:34, Steve GW4BLE wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Open logs and UBN's please for all contests please!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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