[VHFcontesting] VHF Contest Rules Revisions - Part III

[Dan Kovatch]

While everyone is hacking about rules there is a nice AU opening on 6!
W8CAR
Dan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Geiger" <johngeig at yahoo.com>
To: "Hoffman, Mark" <mhoffman at microwavedata.com>; "VHF Contesting"
<vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 6:02 PM
Subject: RE: [VHFcontesting] VHF Contest Rules Revisions - Part III


> I have often thought that it would be neat to have a
> WRTC type event for VHF contesting.  Let the different
> groups set up in the cornfields of Iowa, all with the
> same equipment and antennas, and see how they do.  If
> nothing else, it will allow the New England contesters
> to experience how different midwest contesting is, and
> how you don't get many QSOs if you don't get on
> 144.200
>
> 73s John NE0P
>
>
> --- "Hoffman, Mark" <mhoffman at microwavedata.com>
> wrote:
> > Ken,
> >
> > WELL SAID.
> >
> > The problem with all contests (HF, VHF, etc) is
> > simple: Location. There's
> > always someone in a better location than you.
> >
> > 1) HF contesters in New England have a 45 minute - 1
> > hour advantage into
> > Europe over WNY. At rates of 150/hr, that can be the
> > difference between win
> > and lose. To fix that, I either need to alter the
> > laws of physics, or move
> > to New England.
> >
> > 2) VHF contesters in New England have Boston,
> > Hartford, Albany, NYC, Philly
> > and MDC in troposcatter range. How many VHFers are
> > located in this region
> > alone? LOTS, as we know. Many with huge numbers of
> > bands. From WNY, I've got
> > Toronto, Rochester, Cleveland and maybe Detroit on a
> > good day. Far less VHF+
> > action in these places. In order to fix this, I
> > either have to do something
> > locally about it, or move.
> >
> > That's the summary as I see it. Is it really
> > different from this?
> >
> > If either W2SZ or K8GP (hypothetically) moved to
> > Nebraska for a contest, do
> > you really think they'd score as well? With all
> > else remaining equal, the
> > answer is no. If I moved to the top of Mt. Greylock
> > for a contest, do you
> > think I'd stand a chance against someone like K1TEO?
> > MAYBE. That all depends
> > on my ability, equipment and persistence. At least
> > it diminishes my location
> > disadvantage somewhat.
> >
> > A winning score involves making the most QSOs, by
> > the most multipliers.
> > Maybe that's the starting point for examining our
> > contesting goals. IS that
> > the most important thing?
> >
> > -Mark, K2AXX
> >
> > (and BTW, I overreacted a bit to the original post
> > by Kevin. Sorry 'bout
> > that. Too much caffeine...)
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kenneth E. Harker
> > [mailto:kharker at cs.utexas.edu]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 4:18 PM
> > > To: VHF Contesting
> > > Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] VHF Contest Rules
> > Revisions - Part III
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 08:05:15PM +0000, Bill
> > Olson wrote:
> > > > Hi Ken, Whew! Even if I agreed with you, which I
> > don't, you
> > > don't answer my
> > > > final question. How do you enforce such a rule
> > (rule to
> > > eliminate "captive"
> > > > rovers or so-called "manufactured" or good buddy
> > QSO's)?
> > > Are you saying I
> > > > cannot *work who I want to* in the contest??  Or
> > that I
> > > *can only go roving
> > > > on a route that will result in my best score*???
> > That
> > > really IS silly!
> > >
> > > I don't know that I have the right answer.  I
> > think a lot of
> > > these issues
> > > haven't really received as much attention as they
> > deserve
> > > yet, which is
> > > why it's good that they have come up.
> > >
> > > A good place to start is to get people discussing
> > contesting
> > > ethics and
> > > what kind of competitions we really want to have.
> > >
> > > -- 
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> > > --------------
> > > Kenneth E. Harker      "Vox Clamantis in Deserto"
> >
> > > kharker at cs.utexas.edu
> > > University of Texas at Austin
> > Amateur Radio
> > > Callsign: WM5R
> > > Department of the Computer Sciences
> > Central Texas DX
> > > & Contest Club
> > > Taylor Hall TAY 2.124
> > Maintainer of
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> > > Austin, TX 78712-1188 USA
> > > http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/
> > >
> >
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