[VHFcontesting] Re: VHFcontesting Digest, Vol 7, Issue 38
Malcolm Kent
kentcomm at rogers.com
Tue Jul 29 17:32:10 EDT 2003
Jeez, am I ever getting sick of this rover thing.
Would anyone care to pause and make some comments about the upcoming contest please?
I for one, will be active in
FN03 on 432 and 1296,
FN04 on 432 and 1296,
FN05 on 432
EN94 on 432
I will only operate as a Rover and will try and work as many of you guys (if you can tear yourselves away from your computers long enough to have some real fun!!) as I can.
Don't forget to turn your beams, dishes or whatever you can muster up this way towards Toronto.
Have fun 'cause I sure will.
VA3MJ (Mal)
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> 1. Re: re: captive rovers (Jim Forsyth)
> 2. Re: re: captive rovers
> 3. Re: Re: re: Captive rovers (on4kj)
> 4. Re: captive rovers (Dennis Hudson)
> 5. Re: Re: captive rovers (Tree)
> 6. Re: Re: captive rovers (Mike (KA5CVH) Urich)
> 7. RE: Re: re: Captive rovers (Donald M. Ross)
> 8. Re: Re: captive rovers (David B Kunkee)
> 9. Re: Re: captive rovers (Warren Walsh)
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:14:08 -0700
> From: "Jim Forsyth" <jim at forsyth.net>
> To: <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] re: captive rovers
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> I'm trying to figure out what you find so objectionable about this.
>
> Everybody is free to use captive rovers just like everybody is free to run a
> big station with lots of power and big antennas. Any of these things will
> improve your score. You can do them or not do them depending upon how
> seriously you want to take it. I don't see the point in complaining just
> because you choose not to implement certain aspects of your contest
> operation.
>
> Jim, AF6O
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tree" <tree at kkn.net>
> To: <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] re: captive rovers
>
> > This is a forum that helps frame public opinion. We are not talking about
> > what is legal or illegal. We are talking more about ethics and what is
> > good for the sport of contesting.
> >
> > What does the VHF contesting community think of this?
> >
> > I think it sucks.
> >
> > Tree
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:15:19 -0400
> From: W2fca at cs.com
> To: mcw1wjw9 at optonline.net (Warren Walsh), vhfcontesting at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] re: captive rovers
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> So then you work a few that you know will send in logs and then move to the next grid. For example, if you were in FN22, FN23, FN32, or FN33 you could easiliy work me, W3HHN, WA2RQC, WB2KLD just to name a few. So, you zip up to your spot, work your home station, then quickly find and work me, Otto, and Tim. Wouldn't take over 5 min more. Then if you go downstate to FN21, you could work a few guys in FN31. Just work enough so that your total percentage is still legal. If only 25 percent of your contacts can be with one station, just keep a running total and make sure you work enough others.
>
> Frank
> W2FCA
>
> >> > I think the one item everyone is overlooking - the Rover has to
> >> > submit his log in order to see if this is a problem. If none of these >> > alleged "Captive Rover" logs are turned in, the just become
> >> > "UNIQUES" in the fixed stations log.
> >>
> >>Not necessarily. If you have all of the logs that were submitted, you
> >>can see if a rover station only appears in a single log.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:05:06 +0200
> From: "on4kj" <on4kj at skynet.be>
> To: "DUGAS, JASON A. \(JSC-EP\) \(NASA\)" <jason.a.dugas at nasa.gov>,
> <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Re: re: Captive rovers
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> Thats exactly the the good methode to accelerate HAM into CB ..........
> But who am I.........
>
> Jos on4kj
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DUGAS, JASON A. (JSC-EP) (NASA)" <jason.a.dugas at nasa.gov>
> To: <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:23 PM
> Subject: [VHFcontesting] Re: re: Captive rovers
>
> >
> >
> > > General Rules for ARRL Contests on Bands Above 50 MHz
> > >
> > > 2.3.5.All Rovers are encouraged to adopt operating practices that allow
> as
> >
> > > many stations as possible to contact them.
> >
> > Ah - I remember that rule. I think perhaps I was on the CAC when it was
> > adopted.
> >
> > It was a tough rule to write - how do you enforce it? The intent of the
> > rule was to prevent such a thing from happening. How could a rover be in
> > an area where there is lots of activity and only work a single station
> > from a number of grids? It smells REALLY poor.
> >
> > I would submit that this rover is not following this rule. But here we
> > have most people saying "oh - it's okay - it follows the rules".
> >
> > Furthermore, I would suggest that their activity is not helping promote
> > activity and interest in the contest - and really should be frowned upon
> > by the VHF contesteing community. It is not the best thing for the
> > overall health of the contest.
> >
> > Any competitive entry should take steps to avoid this type of situation.
> >
> > Tree N6TR
> > tree at kkn.net
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I agree with Tree's comment. The collective "frowning upon" of this type
> of
> > activity by this and other communities might go a long ways towards
> > curtailing it. Here are my frowns:
> > :-/
> > :-<
> > :-(
> >
> > Jason
> > KB5URQ
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:08:06 -0400
> From: Dennis Hudson <n2lbt at n2lbt.com>
> To: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
> Subject: [VHFcontesting] Re: captive rovers
> Message-ID: <38981C60-C1E7-11D7-94FA-0030654844E8 at n2lbt.com>
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> On Tuesday, Jul 29, 2003, at 09:55 US/Eastern, dpease at adams.net wrote:
>
> > My limited experience here in the "Black Hole" (even worse in VHF
> > test) with rovers is limited, but all I have heard on are not
> > "captive" and many times provide the only contact in several grids on
> > many bands. I am thankful to have them out there.
> >
> > Danny NG9R
> >
>
> Amen
>
> Tree, Jim, Warren etc, what do you guys have against roving? Why are
> you constantly trying to destroy one of the most enjoyable aspects of
> my HOBBY. What you may not realize is all this rover bashing has the
> potential to kill VHF contesting for many of us. We have already been
> assaulted by the new rover rules, for which I replied, "fine I won't
> turn in logs anymore then". Now you want to tell me who I can and can't
> work during a contest? Who the hell do you people think you are? Mind
> you own darn business and work on your own stations. If there are any
> more rover rule changes, we the rovers should be suggesting them. Not a
> bunch of bellyaching good-ole-boys who are too lazy to support the
> growth of this hobby.
>
> Try taking a positive attitude at this contesting thing instead of this
> constant bitching. Look at what some of the large VHF groups have done
> for the hobby. W2SZ, K8GP, N2WK, W3CCX, K3YTL etc. Populated relatively
> unused bands, taught microwave station construction, repair and
> operating practices to new hams, old hams and even potential hams. I
> now own and operate a very capable VHF-SHF station that I have amassed
> over the years, but it all started out by learning from a local VHF
> group, that has continued to guide me and offer help when needed. This
> type of activity is savior of VHF contesting, not the dinosaur
> attitudes that spews out of this reflector.
>
> I try to contact anyone willing to put an effort to make a station
> capable of working me. I've personally handed out some of the final
> microwave VUCC cards to stations like KH6CP(W1VT), VE2JWH, WA1AIM. I
> try to publish my schedule on this reflector and my capabilities are
> listed with VE2PIJ's VHF resource page.
>
> If one were to examine some of my logs you might find only a handful of
> different stations in my log, and quite possibly a large percentage of
> exotics would come from one station. Usually it's because no one is
> pointed where I am, or no one else has a station capable of working me.
> So, should I stop activating rare grids because you don't like it? It's
> bad enough the new rover rules favor a fast rover that uses fixed
> mobile antennas driving through populated areas. Maybe there should be
> a rule that every single or multi op within 200 miles must work me on
> all the bands I have. Maybe we should subtract points from your score
> for every rover you don't work. How's that sound? These suggested rule
> changes are getting ridiculous and I don't believe reflect the feelings
> of the actual people who are operating or even the spirit of VHF
> contesting. Where is ND3F, W3IY, N2JHM, N2MH on this issue? In my
> opinion these are the people you should be asking, not telling.
>
> --
> Dennis Hudson, N2LBT
> N2OJY-N2LBT/VE2/R
> FN32,FN33,FN34,FN35,FN36,FN45,FN46,FN47
> http://www.n2lbt.com/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:58:10 -0500
> From: Tree <tree at kkn.net>
> To: Dennis Hudson <n2lbt at n2lbt.com>
> Cc: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Re: captive rovers
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> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 01:08:06PM -0400, Dennis Hudson wrote:
>
> > Tree, Jim, Warren etc, what do you guys have against roving? Why are
> > you constantly trying to destroy one of the most enjoyable aspects of
> > my HOBBY.
>
> I am very sorry to hear that my comments have been taken as "anti roving".
>
> I honestly think rovers are fantastic and they should be commended for
> doing it. While I haven't yet roved in a VHF contest, I have done it
> before for HF contests doing county hopping.
>
> By your comments, it doesn't sound like you are a "captive" rover, so
> please do not take anything I have said to apply to you.
>
> > I try to contact anyone willing to put an effort to make a station
> > capable of working me. I've personally handed out some of the final
> > microwave VUCC cards to stations like KH6CP(W1VT), VE2JWH, WA1AIM. I
> > try to publish my schedule on this reflector and my capabilities are
> > listed with VE2PIJ's VHF resource page.
>
> This is great - and I am only talking about the very small rovers who
> do not make an effort to work other stations and end up in no other logs.
>
> 73 Tree
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:07:20 -0500
> From: "Mike \(KA5CVH\) Urich" <ka5cvh at ka5cvh.com>
> To: <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Re: captive rovers
> Message-ID: <01ae01c355fc$41302660$9401a8c0 at quad4.org>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dennis Hudson" <n2lbt at n2lbt.com>
>
> http://www.n2lbt.com/08_01_uhfcontest/pages/all%20set%20up%20at%20fn36.htm
>
> Mike asks,
>
> Weren't you a bit concerned about setting up that close to those 13.8KV
> power lines?
>
> Mike Urich, KA5CVH
> www.ka5cvh.com
> http://www.ka5cvh.com/vhf/vhfindex.htm
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:18:42 -0500
> From: "Donald M. Ross" <dross at sirinet.net>
> To: "'on4kj'" <on4kj at skynet.be>,
> "'DUGAS, JASON A. \(JSC-EP\) \(NASA\)'" <jason.a.dugas at nasa.gov>,
> <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
> Subject: RE: [VHFcontesting] Re: re: Captive rovers
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> Someone whose opinion is just as valid as everyone else's.
>
> How do you guys do it over there? Do you have rovers in your contests?
>
> Don, NL7CO/EM04
>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Re: re: Captive rovers
>
> But who am I.........
>
> Jos on4kj
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DUGAS, JASON A. (JSC-EP) (NASA)" <jason.a.dugas at nasa.gov>
> To: <vhfcontesting at contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:23 PM
> Subject: [VHFcontesting] Re: re: Captive rovers
>
> >
> >
> > > General Rules for ARRL Contests on Bands Above 50 MHz
> > >
> > > 2.3.5.All Rovers are encouraged to adopt operating practices that
> allow
> as
> >
> > > many stations as possible to contact them.
> >
> > Ah - I remember that rule. I think perhaps I was on the CAC when it
> was
> > adopted.
> >
> > It was a tough rule to write - how do you enforce it? The intent of
> the
> > rule was to prevent such a thing from happening. How could a rover be
> in
> > an area where there is lots of activity and only work a single station
> > from a number of grids? It smells REALLY poor.
> >
> > I would submit that this rover is not following this rule. But here
> we
> > have most people saying "oh - it's okay - it follows the rules".
> >
> > Furthermore, I would suggest that their activity is not helping
> promote
> > activity and interest in the contest - and really should be frowned
> upon
> > by the VHF contesteing community. It is not the best thing for the
> > overall health of the contest.
> >
> > Any competitive entry should take steps to avoid this type of
> situation.
> >
> > Tree N6TR
> > tree at kkn.net
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I agree with Tree's comment. The collective "frowning upon" of this
> type
> of
> > activity by this and other communities might go a long ways towards
> > curtailing it. Here are my frowns:
> > :-/
> > :-<
> > :-(
> >
> > Jason
> > KB5URQ
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:30:58 -0700
> From: David B Kunkee <David.B.Kunkee at aero.org>
> To: vhfcontesting at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Re: captive rovers
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> > Look at what some of the large VHF groups have done
> > for the hobby. W2SZ, K8GP, N2WK, W3CCX, K3YTL etc. Populated relatively
>
> > unused bands, taught microwave station construction, repair and
> > operating practices to new hams, old hams and even potential hams.
>
> This is a major point. Big stations mean participation. Recently I
> found a opportunity to spend a weekend in the DC/PA/NJ area and a buddy
> asked me about the UHF contest. I didn't even know about the UHF contest
> and I've participated in the June and September contests frequently for
> the
> past several years. The first thing I did was go to QST to see the
> results
> and try to evaluate the level of activity and see whether it was worth it
> to take some minimal gear with me and participate. Big stations work a
> lot
> of QSOs because they have the equipment and location to do so, and I
> pretty
> much know I'll make some QSOs roving from the scores I saw over the last
> few years. So, yeah, because of that (and them) I think it'll be fun to
> get
> on. And I will, of course, work everyone I can.
>
> On another note, I've never considered it necessary for the 'absolute
> value'
> of the rover's score to be comparable to that of a single/multi-op station
> - until
> I was 'educated' about club competition. So, what about two categories -
> there's
> the roving score, calibrated for whatever purpose it needs to be to other
> scores,
> and then another score (perhaps similar to the rover scores prior to 1992)
> for
> "rover only" comparisons. Kind of like racing - in the Indianapolis 500
> there
> are really two races - the race for the pole, and then the race itself.
> Between
> the racing teams, getting the pole means something.
> Oh well - I am sure it's an old thread...
>
> 73 Dave, K0DI
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>
> Here is a situation which could definitely come up, if
> it hasn't already. Here in Lawton, OK we have a nice
> VHF friendly mountain (Mt. Scott) north of town about
> 10 miles. Has a parking lot on top with plenty of
> space to set up, and is about 1000 feet above the
> average terrain.
>
> We also live near the grid intersection of EM04, EM05,
> EM14 and EM15. Now supposed I decide to get on, say,
> 3.4 ghz which has no local activity, except for WB5AFY
> who is at the other end of the grid square. Suppose I
> have a friend who also gets on 3.4g, and he likes
> roving. Maybe we also both have Icom T81A HTs, so we
> can use 1.2g FM also. I go to the top of Mount Scott,
> and he roves in the 4 different grids, giving me QSOs
> on 1.2 and 3.4g. He doesn't work anyone else on those
> bands because there is no one else on 3.4g, and the
> only other person on 1.2g who is in the city of Lawton
> cannot hear him as I can from the mountain top.
>
> Now, is he a captive rover? Should our QSOs not count
> because they are all uniques? Should I be punished
> for getting my station and another up on a new band?
> I have operated from Mt.Scott before using 1.2g from a
> T81A, and worked Ron, AB5GH/R (now AF5Q) on 1.2g in
> EM04, EM05 and EM14 also using his T81A. We just
> missed on EM15. part of the reason I bought the T81A
> was for such contest operations. I just cannot afford
> a 23cm SSB station at the current time, but am looking
> for another T81A to have for future operations
> (mistakenly sold the one I had). I am not sure that
> Ron worked anyone else on 23cm because no one in
> Lawton could hear him.
>
> So, should we create a rule that throws out good QSOs
> on a new band you spend money to get on? I don't
> think so, but would be interested in hearing others
> opinions.
>
> BTW, lets have some evidence that this capative rover
> thing is really going on. How many such logs are
> really being sent in?
>
> 73s John NE0P
>
> --- Tree <tree at kkn.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 01:08:06PM -0400, Dennis
> > Hudson wrote:
> >
> > > Tree, Jim, Warren etc, what do you guys have
> > against roving? Why are
> > > you constantly trying to destroy one of the most
> > enjoyable aspects of
> > > my HOBBY.
> >
> > I am very sorry to hear that my comments have been
> > taken as "anti roving".
> >
> > I honestly think rovers are fantastic and they
> > should be commended for
> > doing it. While I haven't yet roved in a VHF
> > contest, I have done it
> > before for HF contests doing county hopping.
> >
> > By your comments, it doesn't sound like you are a
> > "captive" rover, so
> > please do not take anything I have said to apply to
> > you.
> >
> > > I try to contact anyone willing to put an effort
> > to make a station
> > > capable of working me. I've personally handed out
> > some of the final
> > > microwave VUCC cards to stations like KH6CP(W1VT),
> > VE2JWH, WA1AIM. I
> > > try to publish my schedule on this reflector and
> > my capabilities are
> > > listed with VE2PIJ's VHF resource page.
> >
> > This is great - and I am only talking about the very
> > small rovers who
> > do not make an effort to work other stations and end
> > up in no other logs.
> >
> > 73 Tree
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:01:56 -0400
> From: Warren Walsh <mcw1wjw9 at optonline.net>
> To: Dennis Hudson <n2lbt at n2lbt.com>, vhfcontesting at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Re: captive rovers
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> At 01:08 PM 7/29/2003 -0400, Dennis Hudson wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, Jul 29, 2003, at 09:55 US/Eastern, dpease at adams.net wrote:
> >
> >>My limited experience here in the "Black Hole" (even worse in VHF test)
> >>with rovers is limited, but all I have heard on are not "captive" and
> >>many times provide the only contact in several grids on many bands. I am
> >>thankful to have them out there.
> >>
> >>Danny NG9R
> >
> >Amen
> >
> >
> >Tree, Jim, Warren etc, what do you guys have against roving? Why are you
> >constantly trying to destroy one of the most enjoyable aspects of my
> >HOBBY. What you may not realize is all this rover bashing has the
> >potential to kill VHF contesting for many of us. We have already been
> >assaulted by the new rover rules, for which I replied, "fine I won't turn
> >in logs anymore then". Now you want to tell me who I can and can't work
> >during a contest? Who the hell do you people think you are? Mind you own
> >darn business and work on your own stations. If there are any more rover
> >rule changes, we the rovers should be suggesting them. Not a bunch of
> >bellyaching good-ole-boys who are too lazy to support the growth of this hobby.
>
> Dennis,
> I'm not positive, but I believe you're missing our point. We WANT you to
> continue to rove, but we would also appreciate if ALL the rovers would make
> your kind of effort. Work EVERYONE they hear, not just their mother ship
> as it were! Being part of a Limited (now Unlimited) Multi crew we actively
> seek out rovers to work, and try to run the bands with them.
>
> >Try taking a positive attitude at this contesting thing instead of this
> >constant bitching.
>
> Well, I may be new to VHF contesting (1995) but not to contesting in
> general. I also feel that asking questions in an open forum is not
> complaining and is GOOD, and should be done more often.
>
> > Look at what some of the large VHF groups have done for the hobby. W2SZ,
> > K8GP, N2WK, W3CCX, K3YTL etc. Populated relatively unused bands, taught
> > microwave station construction, repair and operating practices to new
> > hams, old hams and even potential hams. I now own and operate a very
> > capable VHF-SHF station that I have amassed over the years, but it all
> > started out by learning from a local VHF group, that has continued to
> > guide me and offer help when needed. This type of activity is savior of
> > VHF contesting, not the dinosaur attitudes that spews out of this reflector.
>
> I agree, they have helped the hobby grow.
>
> >I try to contact anyone willing to put an effort to make a station capable
> >of working me. I've personally handed out some of the final microwave VUCC
> >cards to stations like KH6CP(W1VT), VE2JWH, WA1AIM. I try to publish my
> >schedule on this reflector and my capabilities are listed with VE2PIJ's
> >VHF resource page.
>
> Great!
> Why can't the alleged "Captive Rovers" do this?
>
> >So, should I stop activating rare grids because you don't like it?
>
> No, and we're not asking that.
>
> >It's bad enough the new rover rules favor a fast rover that uses fixed
> >mobile antennas driving through populated areas. Maybe there should be a
> >rule that every single or multi op within 200 miles must work me on all
> >the bands I have. Maybe we should subtract points from your score for
> >every rover you don't work. How's that sound? These suggested rule changes
> >are getting ridiculous and I don't believe reflect the feelings of the
> >actual people who are operating or even the spirit of VHF contesting.
>
> I don't believe anyone is suggesting any rule changes here. We're just
> asking questions, there is no need to get so upset.
>
> > Where is ND3F, W3IY, N2JHM, N2MH on this issue? In my opinion these are
> > the people you should be asking, not telling.
>
> Again, no one is TELLING anyone to do anything, just asking questions and
> for others opinions.
>
> >--
> >Dennis Hudson, N2LBT
> >N2OJY-N2LBT/VE2/R
> >FN32,FN33,FN34,FN35,FN36,FN45,FN46,FN47
> >http://www.n2lbt.com/
>
> 73
> Warren - K2BM
>
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