[VHFcontesting] Re: survey

[Ron Klimas WZ1V]

Good points. But another is that lot's of people won't do the survey 
because they don't like giving their email address to web sign-up forms. 
The format of this one is identical to many Mass-marketing email harvesting 
schemes. Post a bunch of surveys to collect email addresses they can sell 
to their advertisers. They won't be getting mine.
-73, Ron WZ1V

At 06:04 PM 10/3/04 -0400, you wrote:
>I think that with the previous discussions on this reflector about logging,
>time lines, real time logging, etc., and the fact that the survey is 
>posted on
>the contesting web page implies that info is being gathered to sway opinions
>about log submission timeliness.  It is not just a question of who has 
>Internet
>access, It would be crazy to ask in a survey of who has Internet access in a
>contest over the Internet!  Those who are not represented are left out of 
>this
>forum.  I.E. if they don't have the Internet or are a member here they don't
>have access to the survey.  Therefore the survey does not really work well 
>for
>contesting as a whole.  Somebody said no-one would ever click on option 4.
>Well, those who who might don't have access to option 4. Since option 4 is 
>bound
>to get a low number, those who might read this survey would be led to believe
>that 24 hour log submissions were obtainable if only we could get people off
>their lazy chair and start typing. The next conclusion would be to punish
>those lazy people who would not turn their logs in within 24 hours by 
>cutting off
>submissions on the Monday following a contest as to not hurt those who use
>computer logs and send them in a "timely" manner.  I think this is the 
>elephant
>in the room no-one is talking about or defining.
>
>So while I rant, I think real time logging and competition would be cool in a
>perfect world.  However I think real time logging in this world would lead to
>cheating.  After all who is out there to verify a qso in realtime?  If both
>people are on the Internet arranging a sked or whatever, what is to stop them
>from saying ah heck, we tried so lets count it.  This happens on some modes
>now.
>
>Here is some ideas for real time stuff.  Real time game playing like chess.
>Report he winner and move up a bracket system. Some type a game where you 
>have
>to pass messages as a team well to win. How to tie real time to grid squares
>is a challenge.